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[Ponn]

Mr. Iwata said dev kits are already out so I dunno what's going on.

Well, in this interview Miyamoto says they are only working with a few close developers right now and they told them just to work on the Gamecube Dev. kits because they were similar. Take that as you will, from a tech point of view though if thats the case I wouldn't be expecting graphics near Xbox 360 or PS3. Like I stated above though Nintendo fans should stop embracing those ideas anyway and just except the thing for what it is.

 

[psycho_snake]

Nintendo is accepting its roll as a niche console.

No development kits yet out (WTF with PS3 launching next Spring?)
No firm specs
cheaper, more profitable, but less powerful console
a select few third party support
SOUNDS LIKE GAMECUBE

The controller can't be that magical. Its not like they can place buttons in mysterious places to make the experience so incredibly better. I don't care if it has gyros and a touch screen, its still a fucking controller.

As the way things stand now, they are a niche console compared to MS and Sony. They dont have an established marketshare in any nation. PS2 outsells GC 5:1 and they just keep trailing in NA and thats because they have not got a game that appeals to all markets. Zelda and Mario are great titles, but your first party games wont get you to the top, you also need strong third party support and Nintendo can't seem to get that. Miyamoto stated in the interview that they are working with a few and they need more. even if Nintendo stay like this, i will still buy their consoles because their first party games are a few of the best out their, but I am in the minority. Not many people will spend money to play a few games.

The controller will be something stupid that Nintendo think will change the way people play games, just like the rest of their gimmicks. This is Nintendo's problem, they are trying too hard to do something different that will just fail in the end. If it does have a touch screen then I will just be annoyed. All controllers should be like X360's controller, just nice and simple but something that will enhance the way we play games.

 

[acoustix]

Do we need another machine like the 360/ps3? No. Do something different.

I have to say, after reading this and kablooeys post, I can see where Nintendo is coming from. I dont think any of us really expected Rev to compete (technically) with 360/ps3. The only problem for me is Im a middle of the road Nintendo fan. So I pretty much must own another system. Dont get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem buying two next gen systems, its just I wonder how long Nintendo can survive as a company with a strategy like this.

 

[bob_arctor]

Nintendo can outcoast SEGA basically forever. They make money and they have some of the strongest IP's in the world. My sister knows (maybe) who Sonic is. Basically everyone in my family recognizes characters from Nintendo.

Back in working for gaming retail...everyday people shafted the GC in favor of the big two, but everyday we had a person or two asking for an old Nintendo system. For the kids, for the family, for themselves because they didn't give a crap about the new 3D games. Or they asked for one of those tv plug ins with Nintendo games. Now they can make some sort of deluxe version of a console that could satisfy all of those needs.

Profits a-plenty, hardcore fans (who haven't been waiting for Nintendo to become Sony) satisfied along with families who will always want Nintendo games and characters.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Even though I'll probably get all 3 next-gen consoles, that is exactly the reason Nintendo will never die. Which is what most of the "current" gaming generation just doesn't get.

 

[pestul]

Power can help create more realistic and believable worlds and bring an artist's vision to fruition. You can't just pass it off so easily. Perhaps SM has seen that he can make Mario in cartoon-perfect quality on a system that is 2-3x GC and that's all he wants.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Well, in this interview Miyamoto says they are only working with a few close developers right now and they told them just to work on the Gamecube Dev. kits because they were similar. Take that as you will, from a tech point of view though if thats the case I wouldn't be expecting graphics near Xbox 360 or PS3. Like I stated above though Nintendo fans should stop embracing those ideas anyway and just except the thing for what it is.

What the fuck.

Square-Enix President was really optimistic about the Rev. Remember?

And Mr. Iwata said that he was surprised how positive 3rd parties reacted to the Rev and stuff.

 

[GSG Flash]

You people need to calm down and learn to control your knee-reflexes. This was a great interview. If you expected something earth-shattering out of it, you haven't been paying attention: This E3 is not when the Revolution is completely unveiled. That's been obvious for a while. Miyamoto won't tell the specs. Perrin Kaplan won't, and Reggie won't. Nobody will do it now. Nintendo simply won't show their hand yet, because they want to wait until they can do it properly, with a bang. That also means saving the specifications and videos and third-party announcements until a time when they can show all those things in a great way, instead of doing it half-arsedly now. So what if they didn't blow it all out now? It only means that the day they are able to show things will be that much more impressive.

And at the end of the day, that bang won't matter because PS3 will be raping Nintendo in the ass. I don't understand why Nintendo thinks keeping everthing a secret will get everyone to buy their stuff. Sure it gets people curious and lots of people get hyped up, but then maybe they should meet their hype with something good and not underwhelm like I'm expecting them to, especially after the recent interviews.

 

[pestul]

And at the end of the day, that bang won't matter because PS3 will be raping Nintendo in the ass. I don't understand why Nintendo thinks keeping everthing a secret will get everyone to buy their stuff. Sure it gets people curious and lots of people get hyped up, but then maybe they should meet their hype with something good and not underwhelm like I'm expecting them to, especially after the recent interviews.

One this is for certain, no one can argue that Nintendo half-assed many of thier first party games this generation as well. If they're going to be the primary focus on thier niche machine, they better the fuck make the new games incredible and must buys (hopefully the new Zelda is a sign of this).

 

[radioheadrule83]

I'll discuss the power again when we actually know what it is. Sure, Miyamoto is downplaying it here, but he also said they're using cutting edge technology. With no specifics, I think it'd be going a bit far to suggest Nintendo's machine won't hold it's own graphically when it releases. Miyamoto's quote about the opposition's over-egged numbers exuded a confidence that a lot of people here are just ignoring too...

I'm just angry because Nintendo has the money to make a fucking killer console, and they don't spend it. They're avoiding what gamers want: more power. More power equals better games. to say that's false is living in la-la land.

You're pre-judging Revolution even though we know FUCK ALL about it.
And you're talking in hasty absolutes. Did you even read what you just typed? More power does not automatically mean better games. In the right hands it can of course. There's 400 titles on the Gamecube alone, more than that for PS2 and Xbox respectively. What percentage of the total combined library do you think would represent AAA games?

Power is not the only thing you need to make good games. And anyone who says that false is living in la-la land.

 

[NintendosBooger]

Quotes, interviews, numbers, forecasts....

None of this will matter once the systems are released, and we fall back, once again, as fans of games, not so much fans of the business aspect of games. When I was playing the SNES, I didn't even care for reviews and articles. Why should this be treated differently?

 

[gamergirly]

Quotes, interviews, numbers, forecasts....

None of this will matter once the systems are released, and we fall back, once again, as fans of games, not so much fans of the business aspect of games. When I was playing the SNES, I didn't even care for reviews and articles. Why should any of this be treated differently?

That's true. It wont matter at all if Rev comes out and knocks us all around. It's probably bc people get frustrated from Nintendo from time to time.....

 

[SantaC]

After reading that it seems like Miyamoto is sabotaging Nintendo. I agree with whoever said they should demote Miyamoto back to being a game designer. Miyamoto makes games not run businesses. I bet it's Miyamoto that's urging Nintendo to make the Revolution really weak and I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that they make it weaker than the cube. Nintendo is doing something right with online, but it seems they are screwing everything else up, like no big unvieling at E3 for the revolution like the other 2 consoles, making the revolution underpowered compared to the other 2 consoles and not even asking 3rd parties to make games for them (that's what I got from the interview).

I mean the fact that Miyamoto didn't even watch the press conferences of their two competitors that are currently driving them into the ground in the console market tells me that he doesn't care if Nintendo goes the way of Sega because of their competition.

I actually thought Nintendo had changed their ways, especially after GDC, but nope, they still like being small time in the market. Sign me up for PS3 next gen and that's all I will need, even if it doesn't have Zelda.

Good post, I agree. I am actually happy that Aounuma is in charge of Zelda now.

 

[gofreak]

IGNcube: Have Revolution development kits gone out yet?

Shigeru Miyamoto: We have not sent out development kits to developers yet. However, development kits for the Nintendo Revolution are very similar to the ones for the GameCube. So we feel that the environments are so similar that they will be able to start development very quickly upon receiving the development kits for Revolution.

IGNcube: Can you tell us when you'll send out Revolution development kits?

Shigeru Miyamoto: As far as when we're going to be sending out development kits, we don't have set schedule at this point. But I think that if you look at it, the "development kits" that a lot of other companies are sending out, are those really the ones with the latest chips? Are those the ones that have all the latest technology? It's hard to say. I don't think we're going to be that much different from other companies when they are sending out their actual finished development kits. I think we'll be able to send the development kits in a timeframe that pleases the developers. It's going to be in a time when it fits their development schedules well.

The suggestion seems to be that Gamecube can act as a "surrogate" for rev games until the actual rev kits become available (gamecube kits could serve the same purpose as unfinished dev kits for the other systems). I'm not trying to draw points about its relative power, btw, just from a dev environment point of view..

 

[radioheadrule83]

Online gaming

Downloadable classics

Nintendo and all of it's teams

SEGA

Capcom

Namco

Square Enix

Ubi Soft

EA

Activision

and more besides.


It's what everyone wanted Gamecube to be, but probably a lot better.

 

[bob_arctor]

That's true. It wont matter at all if Rev comes out and knocks us all around. It's probably bc people get frustrated from Nintendo from time to time.....

I think peope get more annoyed that everything in the gaming world's a dick-measuring contest and Nintendo always refuses to whip it out.

 

[OmniGamer]

Power can help create more realistic and believable worlds and bring an artist's vision to fruition. You can't just pass it off so easily. Perhaps SM has seen that he can make Mario in cartoon-perfect quality on a system that is 2-3x GC and that's all he wants.

You act as if Revolution is just going to be an easel and a pack of crayola crayons. When we get some sub-XBOX 360 specs with serious design flaws and limitations, then bitch to high heaven...until then, save your pennies for the system(s) that best suit your interest...or donate your treasure chest of millions and millions of dollars so that Nintendo can design the uber-system of your desires.(The "you"s and "your"s in this post are in the broad sense, not just the person quoted).

 

[monkeyrun]

all in all .... he not telling anything :lol

and GAF is pissed...

No thursdayton ...

Drinky not banned ...

 

[Triumph]

Online gaming

Downloadable classics

Nintendo and all of it's teams

SEGA

Capcom

Namco

Square Enix

Ubi Soft

EA

Activision

and more besides.


It's what everyone wanted Gamecube to be, but probably a lot better.

You keep believing that, bubba. Meanwhile, I'm gonna be playing actual games on the X360 and PS3.

 

[SantaC]

You keep believing that, bubba. Meanwhile, I'm gonna be playing actual games on the X360 and PS3.

Actually while I agree that Nintendo seems to be losing it, your opinion on this dont mean much since you have bashed nintendo since day one. I mean, you would probably bash them even if they did everything right.

 

[mj1108]

I mean, you would probably bash them even if they did everything right.

I think that can be said for most of the Nintendo bashers.

 

[NintendosBooger]

I think peope get more annoyed that everything in the gaming world's a dick-measuring contest and Nintendo always refuses to whip it out.

Exactly.

Will any of this make the next major Mario game any less appealing? Will the next-gen SSB suck more because of some selected quotes? Will Halo 3 suck, now, because Xbox 360 had a less than inspiring E3 showing? People want to dog on an entire company, and in effect its games, along with its chances of delivering good games next gen because of articles like these, when in the end, it doesn't really matter.

All the systems this gen have fulfilled my expectations. This was a fun generation to be a part of, and yet, there were still negative articles posted in regard to ALL the systems, but did those news articles take away from the collective joy in me playing Halo 1 and 2, GTA 1-3, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Madden, and Baldur's Gate: DA 1 and 2? The answer? Absolutely not.

Nintendo will deliver this generation. If they do as well as their Game Cube, then I'll be satisfied. Same goes for the other systems. Just as long as I have fun this gen.

 

[norinrad21]

Just pick up a PS3 people, the Rev will mainly collect dust until another one or two exclusives comes along, the continue to collect dust. Nintendo at this point in time have no f**king clue, you'd think they have learned something in the last 10 years but no.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Reggie must hate Miyamoto. It seems like they have two polar opposite views of what Nintendo should be. Reggie would probably love to go toe to toe with Sony and Microsoft, but the company won't let him.

I think the Revolution controller will be an NES gamepad.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Reggie is on gamespot right now I wonder what he has to say...
I can really see Reggie leaving Nintendo, that guy is a fighter.

 

[golduck342]

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but this interview was refreshing to me. I'm glad that they're not pandering to the "OMG NINTENDO WILL BE #1 AGAIN!" crowd. They're doing what they want to do, which has been hugely successful for the past 20+ years, and not worrying about what Sony/MS are upto. This is what I like about Nintendo.

Edit: And I think what will end up separating this machine from GC, is that a lot of the ideas that were never fully realized on the Cube, will finally come to fruition on the Rev. Things like connectivity, backwards compatibility, online play, etc. will all be there this time around, not to mention the usual stable of Nintendo games and select 3rd party games, and I'm already sold.

I agree with what you said. I, for one, am happy with what they've shown, and what they've said. I'm glad that they're taking their time with everything. In my eyes, Nintendo has been delivering with some of the best gaming experiences, I'm going to remember Mario & Luigi and Four Swords Adventures as two of my favorite games from the last two years. I like what Nintendo has to offer, even if it's just 2-3 games per system per year. I don't see what the problem is with just buying games for another system if Nintendo isn't making things left and right.

 

[wazoo]

What is the "playable" game of the show ??

that is the only trace of confidence i can have today.

 

[NintendosBooger]

Just pick up a PS3 people, the Rev will mainly collect dust until another one or two exclusives comes along, the continue to collect dust. Nintendo at this point in time have no f**king clue, you'd think they have learned something in the last 10 years but no.

Why not just pick up all the systems? Why just the PS3?

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Why not just pick up all the systems? Why just the PS3?

Because that's the most popular fanboy to be today!

 

[SantaC]

Because that's the most popular fanboy to be today!

The wind could change tomorrow...or next decade

 

[jett]

Nintendo truly is becoming irrelevant. Soon they wil be the next Sega.

 

[norinrad21]

Why not just pick up all the systems? Why just the PS3?

I'm picking the Rev but you me plus everyone and their mother knows it will collect dust until the next exclsuive comes alone.

 

[newsguy]

Why not just pick up all the systems? Why just the PS3?

dude, I've used this line alot this gen, but until these sytems get major price drops, not many people will be able to afford all 3. I own all 3 now, but with the chance of these systems being $400 and up, I may just stick with one of them for a couple of year...

or not.

 

[Azure Dream]

I hate this interview.

It absolutely destroys any hope or belief I had that Nintendo were going to stick to their word, and be a competitive company this time. They can't wait until 2006 to reveal that they're making a weaker box than even the 360 (which will already be out by that time). They said they weren't going to do that this time. The price different in the Gamecube launch created an "inferior" image that they never got rid of.

They've been lying about Mario 128, and don't even seem to have a back-up plan. He's been talking about it as an experiment for years now, he said something almost exactly like that at last E3. Later on, it was supposed to have been locked down. Now he's once again saying that the game exists only in theory and brief experimentation?

He can't even give a straight answer about Super Smash Bros. Revolution, which is the only Revolution game they've even mentioned to any specific degree. ("A new Mario and Zelda" doesn't count, especially since we now know the status of that Mario game.)

I hate this interview. I hate Nintendo for having wonderful IPs and some great ideas, but now just settling on purposefully weaker hardware and second or third place because they make a "comfortable" profit there. I can't stand the thought of another 5 years of a platform with virtually no outside support, and Nintendo's traditional paltry 1st party support. (Got to love the Gamecube games that came out in April.) But I like some of Nintendo's games and the series they own, and I just hate seeing them held back more than they need to be.

Even if the E3 showing had just stayed as it was, there was still hope. But this interview gives us a glimpse at their business plan, and it just destroys anything they've said previously about aiming for the top. They're not even trying their hardest anymore; so much for the meaning of their name.

 

[NintendosBooger]

I'm picking the Rev but you me plus everyone and their mother knows it will collect dust until the next exclsuive comes alone.

We know? Can you provide a list of the games that will be made available for all the next-generation systems, with release dates, please?

 

[Son of Godzilla]

I'm vaguely content with where Nintendo is heading. I wasn't planning on getting too involved in next gen anyways. And hey, not competing with the big guys basically leaves fanboys dead in the water, a great thing.

 

[Mashing]

Why does everyone want Revolution to be a clone of Xbox360/PS3?

 

[norinrad21]

We know? Can you provide a list of the games that will be made available for all the next-generation systems, with release dates, please?

Theres no need for that.

N64>>>>GC...Rev>>>>>>>>their next system will be DOA

 

[dorio]

Why does everyone want Revolution to be a clone of Xbox360/PS3?

Not a clone, but at least as powerful.

 

[Dragmire]

I think that Nintendo's 'Revolution' could be the next step in gaming and put them ahead of Sony and MS. The casual Playstation/X-box fanboy will probably never die, but Nintendo's system will catch on, NES style, as the next big thing. MS and Sony will be forced to copy it, if possible, but it will probably be too late.

 

[Mashing]

Not a clone, but at least as powerful.

Why? RE4, being the best looking game this generation, is on weaker hardware than the Xbox.

The GBA has infinately more enjoyable games than GC/PS2/Xbox...

And since when has Nintendo not put good tech in their system. Everyone seems to forget the N64 was more powerful than the playstation and it was solely the cartidge that crippled it. They also focus on effieciency than their competitors an advantage that allows for games to compete and surpass games on more powerful hardware.

 

[GSG Flash]

Why does everyone want Revolution to be a clone of Xbox360/PS3?

I definitely don't want revolution to be just a clone and I definitely want to something new that the revolution will offer that no other console could ever offer, but I also don't want that to get in the way of Nintendo being able compete both on the hardware side and software with their competitors, and so far from the interviews it looks like this new way of playing games is getting in the way. Perrin Kaplan says that Revolution will be 2 to 3 times more powerful than the cube, that is powerful but hardly the jump expected from a next gen console and now Miyamoto is saying that not many 3rd parties are making games for the revolution and the way he said it made it seem like Nintendo doesn't even care.

 

[radioheadrule83]

I love Nintendo, but Nintendo fans (like the most devout Nintendo hater) are fucking obnoxious and bipolar.

Some of the bullshit in this thread is about 9 months premature.

 

[Triumph]

I mean, you would probably bash them even if they did everything right.

Fortunately, that's not something that I have to worry about.

 

[AniHawk]

I think that Nintendo's 'Revolution' could be the next step in gaming and put them ahead of Sony and MS. The casual Playstation/X-box fanboy will probably never die, but Nintendo's system will catch on, NES style, as the next big thing. MS and Sony will be forced to copy it, if possible, but it will probably be too late.

Not gonna happen. It'll be a nice, cheap system though, with a lot of fun little Nintendo games to play. Shiggy pretty much confirmed that Nintendo's going down the shitter permanently. GIVE UP ALL HOPE.

 

[aoi tsuki]

I think that Nintendo's 'Revolution' could be the next step in gaming and put them ahead of Sony and MS. The casual Playstation/X-box fanboy will probably never die, but Nintendo's system will catch on, NES style, as the next big thing. MS and Sony will be forced to copy it, if possible, but it will probably be too late.

Huh? While i think a lower cost entry in the market is a good thing (assuming that's the case with Rev), what exactly would they be copying? i think the biggest feature we know about Rev is the download service. That does have potential to be big. It would be nice if they'd let you download games to DS, but we all know that's not going to happen.

 

[Ponn]

What the fuck.

Square-Enix President was really optimistic about the Rev. Remember?

And Mr. Iwata said that he was surprised how positive 3rd parties reacted to the Rev and stuff.

For one, you have PR, like anyone in the company would come out and say something was god awful, and of course Iwata is only going to have good things to say. Like I keep on saying though just because it isn't as powerful as the other two is not a bad thing. Nintendo fans keep on taking that personally or as a bad a thing and the Xbox and Sony fans keep bringing it up to get to them and treat it as a bad thing too. Just like Reggie said on Gamespot just now, it will make it easier for smaller developers to have games with smaller budgets that may never see the light of day on the other consoles and may have actually turned out awesome (Ico, Katamari, WarioWare, etc etc). That will look very enticing to some smaller third parties and also the bigger ones who may want to spend alot here on bigger titles for the PS3 or Xbox 360 but then have a few smaller ones in the work for the Revolution. Also good for great middle of the road games that may not be quite up to par with PS3 or Xbox 360 games but will be enough to satisfy most people and good for Nintendo first party games.

I really did enjoy FF: Crystal Chronicles, i know some didn't but I and most of my friends did. Now would you say that had the same budget as say FFXII? Absolutely not, but stuff like that can still be made for the Revolution (and I believe already pretty much announced) or stuff like animal crossing, or a Vagrant Story type game, or FF tactics. Just use your imagination and I don't think you would be dissappointed.

 

[bob_arctor]

I think that Nintendo's 'Revolution' could be the next step in gaming and put them ahead of Sony and MS. The casual Playstation/X-box fanboy will probably never die, but Nintendo's system will catch on, NES style, as the next big thing. MS and Sony will be forced to copy it, if possible, but it will probably be too late.

That's an interesting take, and one that I've thought about as well, but there would need to be some sort of consumer backlash at the pricing of the PS3 and 360 and the continued "shortening" between generations (at least it seems that way to me), leading to more empty wallets for the inevitable upgrade at an even quicker pace.

 

[acoustix]

I dont wanna hijack this thread but since its being brought up...

If we take the optomistic side and say Rev is at least 3 times as powerful as GC, wouldnt that be enough graphical power for the typical Nintendo franchies we love? Like others have said take a look at RE4 or Zelda TP. Excellent looking games on GC. Its also quite likely that Revs potential will be very easily tapped.

 

[gamergirly]

Why does everyone want Revolution to be a clone of Xbox360/PS3?

Bc the majority of people who play video games have big egos and want bragging rights:

"My 360 is more powerful than your PS3"

"PS3 has better games than your 360"

So with Nintendo:

"Zelda pwns anything that Halo 3 throws down"

"Hahaha! I bet you cant do THAT on your PS3"

That's just how it is. Until we know anything, it's going to be Nintendo goign 3rd party, Nintendo is weak, Nintendo fake megatons, etc. Well.....until the next big announcement/show....

 

[akascream]

It's all a ruse.



Sounds like Nintendo hardware is going to continue to be the place to play Nintendo games and nothing more. Being able to play older Nintendo games solidifies its function even further.

But as a gamer that always owns all the consoles, the multi-port titles will still be available on PS3 and X360, as will be thier respective exclusives. So the only way this new philosophy of Nintendo's will effect me personally is a single aspect of thier own games will be less impressive than games on other consoles. And in return, maybe there will actually be a new way to interact with Nintendo software. The revolutionary part of the Revolution. Heh, we'll see.


In other words: gameplay > graphics. Whores be damned!