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Miyamoto now on IGN!
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gamergirly
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bob_arctor said:
Games and systems are going to reach the point of where you cant detect major hardware or graphical differences. Sony and MS are headed that way. They keep shortening the generational gaps for more powerful hardware, and we eventually go into an area of stagnation.
Somebody or something is going to have to start making some crucial changes in that industry movement or one day it wont matter whose system you own bc we wont be playing video games anymore, just "movie games". For this, I'm glad that Nintendo thinks they are doing something different. That's what we really "need" to extend the life of the gaming industry, not simple technological upgrades every 3/4 years.
SantaCruZer said:
It sounds like they are really working the different angles of revolution with Mario as well. It would only make sense for Mario on Rev to really push the features of the system. As opposed to say mario64 on the DS, which, aside from having a portable mario64 (which is nice, don't get me wront), is practically worthless as a showcase for the system.
Azure Dream
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akascream said:In other words: gameplay > graphics. Whores be damned!
What the hell is wrong with wanting both?
madara said:
I doubt that will happen. I'm looking the stuff that is being put in the new Zelda and all I can say is that Nintendo has got it this time. I said the same thing with Pikmin 2, and more recently with Donkey Kong:JB. I'm not afraid of EAD making another SMS or a R&C/J&D clone, but I am worried that the game won't live up the to the build up that has formed in the last three years.
NintendosBooger said:
Do you have unlimited gametime to play three different console systems? PS3 and/or Xbox 360 will give you plenty of great titles to play. More than you have time to play them all. Unless you like being a videogame collector instead of videogame player which is another matter.
Doesn't have to be PS3/Xbox 360. Could be PS3/Revoultion X360/Revolution etc. It just dries me CRRRRRRRRRRRRrraaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyy when I see posts about buying all the systems. All the systems are definitely not needed to get your gaming fix.
i still see no confirmation that rev will be less powerfull.
he's basically just saying that he has no real world numbers yet, and that the theoretical numbers that ms and sony are throwing around are much higher then the real world numbers he might get out of rev, so he cant compare yet.
it looks like theyre taking the modest pr approach again like they did with GC.
I'd much rather see them overhype their hardware like they did with N64, and like Sony are still doing. Atleast that way Nintendo's consoles wouldnt suffer from the weak hardware image witch Gamecube currently has, aventhough it easily whoops the floor with PS2 and i arguably on par with Xbox
he's basically just saying that he has no real world numbers yet, and that the theoretical numbers that ms and sony are throwing around are much higher then the real world numbers he might get out of rev, so he cant compare yet.
it looks like theyre taking the modest pr approach again like they did with GC.
I'd much rather see them overhype their hardware like they did with N64, and like Sony are still doing. Atleast that way Nintendo's consoles wouldnt suffer from the weak hardware image witch Gamecube currently has, aventhough it easily whoops the floor with PS2 and i arguably on par with Xbox
Raoul Duke said:
Honestly, what do people expect at this point? You didn't honestly think Nintendo was going to try and compete with Sony head to head did you? You people have delusions of grandure. Nintendo is never going to be the company you people want it to be, face the facts and let it go.
gamergirly said:
ok then nintendo should not release new hardware. The cube and PS2 have been out rougly the same time - PS2 came out sooner, nintendo has said they will launch at roughly the same time as PS3. So who is jumping the gun on next gen again?
the only ones with the 'simple' tech upgrade as far as I can tell is the cube! Are you arguing for or against it?
this logic of we don't need more power really astounds me. If the revolution is all about the controller, and it is not much more powerfull then the cube... why not just realease a new controller for the cube? Sony did it with the original dual-analog to much success. And nintendo preaching 'games' over power is just laughable. WHAT FUCKING GAMES? zelda and fire emblem will probably be the last games I buy for the cube. 2-3 major releases a year is not what I call focusing on the games. Then you guys dive further into insanity claiming nintendo will make games like katamari and ICO possible??! OMFG you do realize these games came out on the PS2 right?!
HELLS YES I want new hardware to = more power. Really I could enjoy current gen graphics for quite abit longer (read: 1 year or so) but if sony/ms/nintendo expect me to pony up another $300 - then yes, it better be a screaming peice of slicone.
NintendosBooger
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Mrbob said:
I think you need all three systems to fully appreciate the current and the next-gen.
Where am I going to get Mario, Zelda, and Metroid? Nintendo console.
Where am I going to get Halo, Ninja Gaiden, DOA? Xbox console.
Where am I going to get FF, GT, MGS 4, DMC? Playstation console.
The level needed to achieve my gaming fix for 5-6 years is different than yours, I suppose.
Ignatz Mouse
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gamergirly said:
PSX
1994-2000 (jp)
1995-2000 (us)
PS2
2000-2006 (all)
GCN
2001-2006
Who's shortening what again?
Cold-Steel
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If Nintendo doesn't have the power to compete with the 360 and the PS3, developers are going to be pissed.
Publishers will not give Revolution ports if the machine is inferior from a technical perspective and developers will not want to work the the machine.
Nintendo better deliver.
Publishers will not give Revolution ports if the machine is inferior from a technical perspective and developers will not want to work the the machine.
Nintendo better deliver.
Hajaz said:
Too put it in terms that people here will understand, if you are in a room of guys and they suddenly want to have a dick measuring contest and you know for sure yours is smaller would you be rushing to whip it out? Now you're wife or girlfriend (or boyfriend nowadays) may be just happy with you as you are so you don't really have anything to worry about. Then there are those people that would still take it personally even though the people that count still like it and are satisfied. IF that's the case stop complaining and just move on. So in other words, stop with the penis envy.
This is Nintendo, this is the way they always have been and they are not changing. If at this point they did change and go the route of Sony and MS they would alienate their hardcore people who don't want to see the stuff Sony and MS has on their beloved nintendo box, and they would alienate the kid demographic with parents. If you are in the market for both type of games then just suck it up and be prepared to buy two consoles. In the end I just can't see how that is a bad thing.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Remember one thing folks.....When was the last time that nintendo has released a console on time? I say revolution for 2007!
ok i agree with everyone about how nintendo has no idea what its doing at times, and even now, and doesnt know how bad they came off but.....some of u guys i think are reading too much into the interview or not into it at all.
at point he mentions how powerful thier system will be....comparing it to xbox36
iwata said the graphics will amaze u
he said that they are collaborating with a few developers...not that they arent going to have 3rd parties.....he meant as in collabos where they give a franchise to someone
did developers have xbox360 dev kits last e3? and its coming out this yr? i have a feeling nintendo now has a yr...till next e3 to finalize or tweak whatever they need to...especially after seeing sony and ms...the kits he himself said will be out soon.
i mean yeah it still isnt a pretty pictue but some of u are acting like there is no picture at all.
edit: yeah about the kits...i seriousy doubt he meant its like the gamecube as in power...but maybe how they work....if u remember thier kits for gamecube were so easy to work with that dev's didnt need that much time....so im thinking in terms of a timeframe he was comparing it to gamecube.
at point he mentions how powerful thier system will be....comparing it to xbox36
iwata said the graphics will amaze u
he said that they are collaborating with a few developers...not that they arent going to have 3rd parties.....he meant as in collabos where they give a franchise to someone
did developers have xbox360 dev kits last e3? and its coming out this yr? i have a feeling nintendo now has a yr...till next e3 to finalize or tweak whatever they need to...especially after seeing sony and ms...the kits he himself said will be out soon.
i mean yeah it still isnt a pretty pictue but some of u are acting like there is no picture at all.
edit: yeah about the kits...i seriousy doubt he meant its like the gamecube as in power...but maybe how they work....if u remember thier kits for gamecube were so easy to work with that dev's didnt need that much time....so im thinking in terms of a timeframe he was comparing it to gamecube.
monkeyrun said:
GC wasn't also based on "cutting edge technology" applied "differently". Nintendo's trying something different with Rev, and given they want something affordable with new features, what makes you think that they'll be willing to go the extra tech mile when they have other things to worry about? If they want low-cost, they're going to have cut something somewhere, The GC was all about efficiency of the hardware, nothing that incorporated "exciting new gameply possibilities". Personally, I think that was the *only* reason why GC was able to compete technologically -- because they had no other focus with the hardware.
What worries me is that Nintendo has so much potential to grow, but they take these baby steps into directions that further reconfirms their public persona as irrelevant compared to the other two companies. If they were such and "and" company, they'd address this issue as much as their perception concerning whatever market stagnation they think exists. I still can't believe that they're taking the success of the DS as an indication that they're going the right direction with the Rev. They're two different markets, and it's the same reason why Nintendo is losing marketshare to Microsoft, a company offering the exact same thing that Sony is.
Cold-Steel
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Nintendo has chickened out of this fight.
It's a two-way race now between Sony and Microsoft for supremacy.
It's a two-way race now between Sony and Microsoft for supremacy.
SantaCruZer said:
I think you are spot on there. It has been a couple of years since we heard about the possibility of Mario 128 and still nothing? After the merely 'good' Mario Sunshine I feel Shigsy is under pressure to do something amazing with a game franchise that has set it's own limits with it's sheer simplicity. There might not be enough depth in the Mario character to continue making groudnbreaking games for the next few decades.
Nintendo is working with the same company for GPU and CPU for REV and GC, I would expect there won't be problems at the horsepower department.3pheMeraLmiX said:
Also nothing about the hardware is revealed atm.
Just because they don't want to talk about it till later in the development cycle doesn't mean it's gonna be weak.
OG_Original Gamer
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OK, here's my perspective. Going into the conferences, I think Nintendo was preparing to show something believing Sony was going hold out on releasing info or specs and the prerendered vids. We all know why Sony did it, the goal is to make a splash that affect the perception of the X360. Nintendo backs off because Sony has just done what they set out to do, despite the vids from Sony being pre-rendered most gamers and media people were sucked in to the vortex of Sony hype. Right now the top spot isn't Nintendo's spot to lose, its Sony. Sony see's MS as a threat, much more than what they may have perceived Sega to be, for obvious reasons.
I don't see where anyone from Nintendo has said that developers are or will be using GC devkits, but I have read quotes from Iwata that the development enviroment is very similar to the GC. The API is obviously what he meant, but hardware aswell to a small degree.
Consider this, Nintendo of all three hardware manufacturers is the only one that will still be using the same chipset makers. Nintendo decided to take advantage of the benefits of using the same partners.
So this leads me to questions of those who has knowledge about PowerPC processors. How much of the architecture has changed since the Gekko silicone was fabbed?
What would be different about the core of the processor Nintendo will be using compared to the Gekko?
I don't see where anyone from Nintendo has said that developers are or will be using GC devkits, but I have read quotes from Iwata that the development enviroment is very similar to the GC. The API is obviously what he meant, but hardware aswell to a small degree.
Consider this, Nintendo of all three hardware manufacturers is the only one that will still be using the same chipset makers. Nintendo decided to take advantage of the benefits of using the same partners.
So this leads me to questions of those who has knowledge about PowerPC processors. How much of the architecture has changed since the Gekko silicone was fabbed?
What would be different about the core of the processor Nintendo will be using compared to the Gekko?
monkeyrun said:
I think the major difference is that they're allocating their expendetures to things other than just making the technological aspect impressive and efficient. I understand that ATi and IBM are perfectly capable of producing stellar technology, hence their involvement with the other 2 manufacturers. However, Nintendo wants an afforable console -- you can't have both new hardware features that change the way we play games and stunning tech if you're also balancing a budget. If they plan on taking a loss on hardware, maybe the final product will be different, but the way things are turning up, it seems pretty clear that Nintendo isn't too concerned with battling in that regard, which is fairly dissappointing.
OG_Original Gamer
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Ponn01 said:
How do you alienate kids by having powerful gaming hardware?
3pheMeraLmiX said:
You're assuming that the revolutionary aspect is so incredible expensive to develop that it actually will force Nintendo to settle with a weaker system. That's one enormous assumption. When have we ever heard about the cost of this feature? Never, as far as I know. But I do seem to remember Iwata once saying that it will be existing technology that's just never been used in gaming before, and that doesn't scream hideously expensive to me.
gamergirly
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monkeyrun said:
Iwata said clearly that great technology was GOOD, but it wasnt "enough"
ChronoMagnus
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You know. even though i have officially joined the Sony camp, i can see nintendos logic.
Isnt the smart thing to do in a 3 way match to let 2 people duke it out. when the victor arises he will be tired and then you can attack him and probably have a greater chance of winning.
Maybe the Rev wont be the strongest console, maybe it wont be revolutionary at all. But neither is the Ipod. Compared to other Mp3 players the ipod is complete shit. But that hasnt stopped it from becoming the Mp3 player. Nintendo wuld be wise to sit and wait and to launch when the opposition is at its weakest.
I know it looks like nintendo is screwed but you never know what just might happen. They havent really shown us anything and that is what has us pissed off. What happens if the revolution is a perfectly capable console?
One things for sure, Nintendo better give us some information before the hardcore base starts abandoming them. I for see much bad publicity for nintendo in all mainstream magazines. My patience has ran out, and i now share drinky crows dream of a one console future.
If Nintendo becomes a third party dont be suprised to hear that Iwata commited Suppuku.
Isnt the smart thing to do in a 3 way match to let 2 people duke it out. when the victor arises he will be tired and then you can attack him and probably have a greater chance of winning.
Maybe the Rev wont be the strongest console, maybe it wont be revolutionary at all. But neither is the Ipod. Compared to other Mp3 players the ipod is complete shit. But that hasnt stopped it from becoming the Mp3 player. Nintendo wuld be wise to sit and wait and to launch when the opposition is at its weakest.
I know it looks like nintendo is screwed but you never know what just might happen. They havent really shown us anything and that is what has us pissed off. What happens if the revolution is a perfectly capable console?
One things for sure, Nintendo better give us some information before the hardcore base starts abandoming them. I for see much bad publicity for nintendo in all mainstream magazines. My patience has ran out, and i now share drinky crows dream of a one console future.
If Nintendo becomes a third party dont be suprised to hear that Iwata commited Suppuku.
i'm actually starting to believe them about the fear of having their tech stolen.. i think they really are afraid that sony will rip them off, which means they think they've got something that sony would WANT and thats interesting..
everybody seems to think the rev will include some kind of freaky gimmic that might be cool, but won't be mainstream. thats what i used to think. but if it's like that, why would sony want to steal it? Sony would only want a controller that could be used to play all knds of games, and they would only bother to steal a controller if it was an obvious step up from standard controllers (in the same way they stole the analogue stick). So maybe the rev controller really is better than other controllers and includes some feature that makes gaming more intuitive and natural. I think they actually believe that if they show the controller now, it will also be included in the ps3. So i don't think we'll see it until it is definitly too late for sony to change their plans.
they also seem pretty confident that this controller is going to be a big deal. they obviously believe the controller and retro gaming will be enough to make up for the weaker specs and thats a pretty confident assumption.
wishfull thinking of course, but i think if they really believed they had a niche controller they wouldn't be afraid to reveal it.
edit// also... everybody must be way off track with this controller.. it can't be just gyros or touch sensitive arms.. those things are gimmicky and have limited gameplay applications. If it's one of those things it would have to be a better implimentation than anybody has thought of yet.
everybody seems to think the rev will include some kind of freaky gimmic that might be cool, but won't be mainstream. thats what i used to think. but if it's like that, why would sony want to steal it? Sony would only want a controller that could be used to play all knds of games, and they would only bother to steal a controller if it was an obvious step up from standard controllers (in the same way they stole the analogue stick). So maybe the rev controller really is better than other controllers and includes some feature that makes gaming more intuitive and natural. I think they actually believe that if they show the controller now, it will also be included in the ps3. So i don't think we'll see it until it is definitly too late for sony to change their plans.
they also seem pretty confident that this controller is going to be a big deal. they obviously believe the controller and retro gaming will be enough to make up for the weaker specs and thats a pretty confident assumption.
wishfull thinking of course, but i think if they really believed they had a niche controller they wouldn't be afraid to reveal it.
edit// also... everybody must be way off track with this controller.. it can't be just gyros or touch sensitive arms.. those things are gimmicky and have limited gameplay applications. If it's one of those things it would have to be a better implimentation than anybody has thought of yet.
Or maybe they're aiming to be the perfect second console. X number of Revolution-only owners plus a certain percentage of the PS market and a certain percentage of the X360 market could be a lot of people.ChronoMagnus said:
Also, look how much those "Atari Flashback" consoles sold this past holiday, despite that emulator being crap, the original games and hardware being dirt cheap, and the unit being sold for an ungodly $40. Full back-catalogue support on the Revolution, provided it's made easy for the common nostalgia fiend, is no laughing matter.
gamergirly
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Lionheart said:
Which is why thinking the controller is the ONLY revolutionary part of the system is like having Fool's Gold....