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MLB 2017 Regular Season OT - 108 years in the making
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If Jeter's budget is what reports are there isn't a reason to worry.
detectiveconan1
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Bour!!!
Too bad our bullpen will blow this lead.
Too bad our bullpen will blow this lead.
blackaroni
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💯
evil solrac v3.0
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ugh, well what can you do? I will personally blame the binders.
100 wins!💯
detectiveconan1
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Lol Braves
I was kinda hoping Stanton would get another at bat.
I was kinda hoping Stanton would get another at bat.
Lee Chaolan
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I believe the Tribe's magic number to clinch home field through the AL postseason is 1 now.
Although after the last couple games the Astros are probably just happy playing Boston. ;p
Took you guys long enough. ;p
Although after the last couple games the Astros are probably just happy playing Boston. ;p
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Took you guys long enough. ;p
Yes, I realize we did it yesterday.
Mr. Enigma
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Wasn't Jim Hendry the genius who wrecked the Cubs and gave Alfonso Soriano that amazing contract?
Yes he is and I don't care about Hendry. The real loss would be Denbo. He's VP of player development and has been instrumental in turning the Yankees' farm system around.
17 Seconds
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jim hendry isn't good but that contract ended up being fine
evil solrac v3.0
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whatever Denbo wants, give him.
HarryDemeanor
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Good lord.
TheSecondSpitter
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No joke, this how I picture Sanjuro to look like.
sf2fanatic
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You still watching? Real games don't start til next Friday
HarryDemeanor
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Missed the entire game while at work. Caught the score in my car after I turned on the radio.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
need to be holding a pizza.
BFIB
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Might as well get them used to Mathenyging.
Dmncnby2k9
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If Yanks and Red Sox tie for the division, tiebreaking game on Monday?
BFIB
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Bernie summing up perfectly why Matheny is a horrible fit for manager:
First of all, no one of sound mind believed Mike Matheny should have removed Michael Wacha from the game after six innings. No one.
Wacha was pitching great. One of his best starts of the season. He was keeping the Cubs lineup on lockdown. By all means, let him eat. You dont yank him after six shutout innings (eight Ks) and with a low pitch count of 60.
But
Given Wachas glaring pattern of often imploding when he goes through a lineup for the third time in a game, Matheny should have had someone in the bullpen getting loose. Just in case. Just to protect the Cards 1-0 lead if Wacha became hittable and vulnerable. Just as a way of showing the necessary urgency given the Cardinals dire situation of needing this game to avoid losing more ground to Colorado in the wild-card race. When you have a pitcher who has been doing this for a while suddenly losing his stuff with the third turn of the opposing lineup you have to be on alert, and quick to intervene.
Of course by now you know what happened.
Matheny waited too long. He stood and watched and did nothing as the Cubs began pelting Wachas pitches, turning a 1-0 deficit into a four-run lead. In a critical game that the Cardinals could not afford to lose, managerial neglect resulted in a Titanic inning.
When the smoke cleared, the Cardinals had lost 5-1 Wednesday in one of the most depressing evenings of baseball weve seen in St. Louis for a very long time. Not only were the hated-rival Cubs dancing on the the Cardinals field as they celebrated the clinching of their second consecutive NL Central title the Cubs were all but dancing on the Cards graves.
The Cardinals fell into a deep hole, and climbing out is all but impossible.
With four games remaining on the schedule, the Cardinals trail Colorado by 3.5 games. The Rockies will close the season with three at home against the LA Dodgers, who will likely be resting players and setting their rotation to get ready for the start of the postseason.
Matheny said he didnt stay in the dugout to watch the Cubs celebrate.
You almost wonder if Matheny was actually watching Wacha melt down.
Judging by his failure to take action to keep this must-win game close, to preserve at least a shot of winning, Matheny apparently saw something that no else could detect.
Or maybe the manager was just freezing under pressure, which weve seen many times before. Matheny is six seasons into a Big-Boy job SIX and hes still incapable of managing a bullpen. He continues to screw up, time and time again. He continues to have too many instances of standing still as trouble grows and intensifies and swallows his team. Matheny is the worst Ive ever seen at this crucial part of managing.
Before the start of the 7th, no one was stretching in the Cards bullpen.
Anthony Rizzo led off with a single nothing moving in the bullpen.
Ben Zobrist singled. Two runners on. No outs not a creature was stirring in the bullpen.
As Addison Russell stepped in to drive a three-run homer into the Cardinals heart someone was stretching in the Cardinals bullpen. Stretching, not warming up fast. Not warming at all. And by now the Cubs had ripped this game open by ambushing the home team for a 3-1 lead.
Javier Baez doubled Matheny watched.
Jason Heyward doubled; 4-1 Cubs Matheny watched.
Rene Rivera walked finally, Matheny walked to the mound to make a pitching change. And Matthew Bowman was popped for a double by Tommy La Stella the run charged to Wacha and the Cubs were safe and in the clear with a four-run lead.
Even by Mathenys low standards, this was astonishing.
Again: no one is saying he should have yanked Wacha after six innings.
But given Wachas clear history, the manager had to take precautions, and have a reliever on standby, getting busy, as the seventh inning began. Just in case. Just in the event of an instant collapse. With the expanded September roster, the Cardinals have so many relievers in the bullpen cant keep count. I just know that one reliever should have been told to get up and throw, and be ready to mobilize if the inning began to slip away from Wacha with the season slipping away from the Cardinals.
Wachas pattern is no secret. You dont need access to proprietary data to know about it. Its an easy statistic to find on a baseball-stat site. Fans know the Wacha pattern. Media know the Wacha pattern. Surely, the Cardinals analytics department have made Matheny aware of Wachas pattern.
Ill give you the short version
This season, Wachas third time through line lineup:
155 batters faced
.329 batting average
.396 onbase percentage
.504 slugging percentage
.900 OPS
5.66 ERA
2016, Wachas third time through the lineup:
147 batters faced .286 average
.354 onbase percentage
.545 slugging percentage
6.12 ERA
Just to short-hand the rest of this
Here are Wachas earned-run averages (third time through) from 2013-2015:
2013, 3.38 ERA
2014, 5.04 ERA
2015, 4.83
Wachas numbers are much better when goes through a lineup the first time. They get worse the second time through. And the third time through boom.
Why doesnt Matheny see this, understand this, and manage Wacha starts accordingly? Abundant patience can work in May or July. But patience must be discarded when its Sept. 27, and your team is up against the odds, battling to survive, and cant take another hit that will all but snuff the one flickering chance at a playoff this.
I dont understand why Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. is OK with this.
As an owner, DeWitt was way ahead of his time in taking the Cardinals into the future. Back in the early aughts he hired Jeff Luhnow, set up an analytics department, and set up his baseball people with a flow of advanced statistical information that could be put to good use to give the Cards a tactical advantage. DeWitts forward-thinking vision was brilliant and played a substantial role in sustaining his teams high level of success.
But DeWitt who is so smart, so advanced in his thinking for some reason doesnt believe there is disconnect here hes hired an analytics department theyre great at what they do they can put excellent information in Mathenys hands they work hard to give him an advantage.
And the manager repeatedly ignores this stuff too often.
The numbers on Wachas predictable fade in the third time through a lineup are well known.
The manager ignores that too and with his team drowning.
The manager is like the baseball equivalent of a science denier.
If DeWitt wants to have Matheny as his manager for many years to come, thats his call.
But if I may offer the chairman some advice: save some money, and pull the plug on the analytics. If you want a manager who runs games as if its 1966, then get rid of the stat geeks.
First of all, no one of sound mind believed Mike Matheny should have removed Michael Wacha from the game after six innings. No one.
Wacha was pitching great. One of his best starts of the season. He was keeping the Cubs lineup on lockdown. By all means, let him eat. You dont yank him after six shutout innings (eight Ks) and with a low pitch count of 60.
But
Given Wachas glaring pattern of often imploding when he goes through a lineup for the third time in a game, Matheny should have had someone in the bullpen getting loose. Just in case. Just to protect the Cards 1-0 lead if Wacha became hittable and vulnerable. Just as a way of showing the necessary urgency given the Cardinals dire situation of needing this game to avoid losing more ground to Colorado in the wild-card race. When you have a pitcher who has been doing this for a while suddenly losing his stuff with the third turn of the opposing lineup you have to be on alert, and quick to intervene.
Of course by now you know what happened.
Matheny waited too long. He stood and watched and did nothing as the Cubs began pelting Wachas pitches, turning a 1-0 deficit into a four-run lead. In a critical game that the Cardinals could not afford to lose, managerial neglect resulted in a Titanic inning.
When the smoke cleared, the Cardinals had lost 5-1 Wednesday in one of the most depressing evenings of baseball weve seen in St. Louis for a very long time. Not only were the hated-rival Cubs dancing on the the Cardinals field as they celebrated the clinching of their second consecutive NL Central title the Cubs were all but dancing on the Cards graves.
The Cardinals fell into a deep hole, and climbing out is all but impossible.
With four games remaining on the schedule, the Cardinals trail Colorado by 3.5 games. The Rockies will close the season with three at home against the LA Dodgers, who will likely be resting players and setting their rotation to get ready for the start of the postseason.
Matheny said he didnt stay in the dugout to watch the Cubs celebrate.
You almost wonder if Matheny was actually watching Wacha melt down.
Judging by his failure to take action to keep this must-win game close, to preserve at least a shot of winning, Matheny apparently saw something that no else could detect.
Or maybe the manager was just freezing under pressure, which weve seen many times before. Matheny is six seasons into a Big-Boy job SIX and hes still incapable of managing a bullpen. He continues to screw up, time and time again. He continues to have too many instances of standing still as trouble grows and intensifies and swallows his team. Matheny is the worst Ive ever seen at this crucial part of managing.
Before the start of the 7th, no one was stretching in the Cards bullpen.
Anthony Rizzo led off with a single nothing moving in the bullpen.
Ben Zobrist singled. Two runners on. No outs not a creature was stirring in the bullpen.
As Addison Russell stepped in to drive a three-run homer into the Cardinals heart someone was stretching in the Cardinals bullpen. Stretching, not warming up fast. Not warming at all. And by now the Cubs had ripped this game open by ambushing the home team for a 3-1 lead.
Javier Baez doubled Matheny watched.
Jason Heyward doubled; 4-1 Cubs Matheny watched.
Rene Rivera walked finally, Matheny walked to the mound to make a pitching change. And Matthew Bowman was popped for a double by Tommy La Stella the run charged to Wacha and the Cubs were safe and in the clear with a four-run lead.
Even by Mathenys low standards, this was astonishing.
Again: no one is saying he should have yanked Wacha after six innings.
But given Wachas clear history, the manager had to take precautions, and have a reliever on standby, getting busy, as the seventh inning began. Just in case. Just in the event of an instant collapse. With the expanded September roster, the Cardinals have so many relievers in the bullpen cant keep count. I just know that one reliever should have been told to get up and throw, and be ready to mobilize if the inning began to slip away from Wacha with the season slipping away from the Cardinals.
Wachas pattern is no secret. You dont need access to proprietary data to know about it. Its an easy statistic to find on a baseball-stat site. Fans know the Wacha pattern. Media know the Wacha pattern. Surely, the Cardinals analytics department have made Matheny aware of Wachas pattern.
Ill give you the short version
This season, Wachas third time through line lineup:
155 batters faced
.329 batting average
.396 onbase percentage
.504 slugging percentage
.900 OPS
5.66 ERA
2016, Wachas third time through the lineup:
147 batters faced .286 average
.354 onbase percentage
.545 slugging percentage
6.12 ERA
Just to short-hand the rest of this
Here are Wachas earned-run averages (third time through) from 2013-2015:
2013, 3.38 ERA
2014, 5.04 ERA
2015, 4.83
Wachas numbers are much better when goes through a lineup the first time. They get worse the second time through. And the third time through boom.
Why doesnt Matheny see this, understand this, and manage Wacha starts accordingly? Abundant patience can work in May or July. But patience must be discarded when its Sept. 27, and your team is up against the odds, battling to survive, and cant take another hit that will all but snuff the one flickering chance at a playoff this.
I dont understand why Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. is OK with this.
As an owner, DeWitt was way ahead of his time in taking the Cardinals into the future. Back in the early aughts he hired Jeff Luhnow, set up an analytics department, and set up his baseball people with a flow of advanced statistical information that could be put to good use to give the Cards a tactical advantage. DeWitts forward-thinking vision was brilliant and played a substantial role in sustaining his teams high level of success.
But DeWitt who is so smart, so advanced in his thinking for some reason doesnt believe there is disconnect here hes hired an analytics department theyre great at what they do they can put excellent information in Mathenys hands they work hard to give him an advantage.
And the manager repeatedly ignores this stuff too often.
The numbers on Wachas predictable fade in the third time through a lineup are well known.
The manager ignores that too and with his team drowning.
The manager is like the baseball equivalent of a science denier.
If DeWitt wants to have Matheny as his manager for many years to come, thats his call.
But if I may offer the chairman some advice: save some money, and pull the plug on the analytics. If you want a manager who runs games as if its 1966, then get rid of the stat geeks.
Yes.
BFIB
Member
Hey, if I'm Maddon, who fucking owns Matheny at managing, I'm telling my starter to "throw inside" because Matheny automatically will just assume everyone is out to get him and his players, and demand retaliation. Matheny is then shook the whole game. He's a mental midget when it comes to in game decisions. Six years of this crap, he needs to go.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Good point. So what's the early word is he gone or stays?
Triangulate
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DeWitt has publicly endorsed him repeatedly and he's still got two years left on a three year extension. Until attendance drops below 3mil a year nothing is going to change.
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
But this early on so this could change
I feel like you can make a compromise between being a stat nerd and being a clubhouse leader and still make the playoffs but I maybe talking out of my ass, so who knows
Our Red Sox, Line!!
Triangulate
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If Matheny hasn't shown he's completely out of his depth at this point, I don't know what more he can personally do that will change DeWitt's mind. Any change is going to have to come from external influences - attendance, sub .500 season(s), player mutiny, etc.
I'd be happy to be wrong though.
Nomadic Sparks
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sf2fanatic
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Smh they showing this game?
Yes, because two good AL contenders are better than lame SHIET like Reigns!
*Samoa drops sf2
NoctisVsStar
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Judge mvp
TheSecondSpitter
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That's ridiculous. Why not just use Head-to-Head records?
TheSecondSpitter
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(3) Money
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