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[Norse]

"Ars Technica has been following this week's next-gen DVD dramas closely. First, there's extensive coverage of the reasons why Microsoft backed HD-DVD, which was primarily inspired by mandatory support for copying discs to computers. The BDA, however, countered with an attack on Microsoft's reasons, and Microsoft returned fire. Richard E. Doherty, Microsoft's head of the media entertainment technology convergence group, said that 50GB Blu-ray disc are in fact many years away. Is MS playing games, or is Sony misrepresenting just how far along BD-ROM really is?" From the article: "HD DVD is proven to deliver 30GB capacity today, with the potential to deliver even greater capacity. The 50GB claim for BD-ROM discs is unproven and will not be available for many years to come, based on discussions with major Japanese and US replicators. Replicators not only do not have test lines running, they cannot even pre-order the equipment to begin evaluating this disc. They cannot judge the cost of these discs, or even whether they can be manufactured at all. Major replicators can mass manufacture 30GB HD DVD discs today and it's well understood that these discs will cost significantly less to manufacture than the lower-capacity 25GB BD discs."


hmmm

 

[Doube D]

dude, HD-DVD is DEAD. Its over. Its done. MS/intel can support a dead format, as Toshiba is doing, just like you can hold a dead corpse upright... doesn't change anything, its dead. Get over it

 

[gofreak]

This was posted in the other threads in the OT forum

 

[Elios83]

50GB BRD are many years away?
Isn't 50GB BRD the confirmed PS3 format? :lol

 

[snatches]

50GB BRD are many years away?
Isn't 50GB BRD the confirmed PS3 format? :lol

No

 

[open_mouth_]

they'll kill each other.

 

[Spazbiohaz]

dude, BR is DEAD. Its over. Its done. Disney can support a dead format, as Sony is doing, just like you can hold a dead corpse upright... doesn't change anything, its dead. Get over it

 

[Kleegamefan]

In the other thread in OT, Hewlett-Packard says 50GB BD-ROM, Rs and REs will be available at Launch...

PS3, like all other BD-ROM players can read 50Gig dual layer disks...it is part of the BD-ROM spec....

 

[Rhindle]

50GB BRD are many years away?
Isn't 50GB BRD the confirmed PS3 format? :lol

Dual layer BRD discs cannot be replicated reliably at this point (or so I've been told).

For now HD-DVD has the advantage in terms of capacity.

 

[sonycowboy]

No

BD-ROM is the confirmed format for the PS3. Currently, that is 25/50GB (actually, Sony lists it as 27/54GB). There seems to be some ability for them to format them slightly differently. Either 23GB (current), 25GB (standard), or 27GB (PS3). Not sure what the issue is there.

But, the PS3 will be able to read dual layer BD-ROM's.

 

[Bigfonzie]

dude, HD-DVD is DEAD. Its over. Its done. MS/intel can support a dead format, as Toshiba is doing, just like you can hold a dead corpse upright... doesn't change anything, its dead. Get over it

dude, BR is DEAD. Its over. Its done. Disney can support a dead format, as Sony is doing, just like you can hold a dead corpse upright... doesn't change anything, its dead. Get over it

But you both pitch your arguments so elegantly.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Dual layer BRD discs cannot be replicated reliably at this point (or so I've been told).

For now HD-DVD has the advantage in terms of capacity.

This is true, if you don't listen to people like Hewlett Packard or Dell (I.E., its not true)

 

[HokieJoe]

50GB BRD are many years away?
Isn't 50GB BRD the confirmed PS3 format? :lol

Nah, I think the PS3 disks are planned to be single layer ATM.

 

[HokieJoe]

BD-ROM is the confirmed format for the PS3. Currently, that is 25/50GB (actually, Sony lists it as 27/54GB). There seems to be some ability for them to format them slightly differently. Either 23GB (current), 25GB (standard), or 27GB (PS3). Not sure what the issue is there.

But, the PS3 will be able to read dual layer BD-ROM's.

Yeah, you know it'll read dual-layer disks if not more.

 

[Stinkles]

My guess and instinct are that Blu Ray will win.

However, history says no. Sony formats have almost always died.

I don't give a fuck which one wins, but I do care that it is late 2005 and I still can't rent an HD movie. GET ON THE FUCKING STICK YOU LAWYER BITCHES.

 

[DCharlie]

ONE FORMAT FUTURE YOU BASTARDS.

 

[sonycowboy]

My guess and instinct are that Blu Ray will win.

However, history says no. Sony formats have almost always died.

I don't give a fuck which one wins, but I do care that it is late 2005 and I still can't rent an HD movie. GET ON THE FUCKING STICK YOU LAWYER BITCHES.

Well, Sony did invent the floppy disc and the compact disc (with phillips)

 

[koam]

I'm torn between the two. On one side, I can't stand Sony proprietory everything. It's stupid formats that never adhere to logical standards. On the other side, HD-DVDs are shit in terms of single-layer capacity. I'd rather have 25 gigs on one layer than 30 on two.

Basically, BluRay and HD-DVD can both go to hell but if i'm forced to choose, I'll choose whichever format still exists in 3 year's time.

 

[Error Macro]

If HD DVD can launch next spring with 30GB dual-layer discs, it's over with.

 

[Ryudo]

If what MS and Intel say is true, then i am HDDVD all the way. Fuck copy protection, whats the use of all this storage if i cant pirate... i mean backup.. i mean ... safeguard my collection.

 

[chinch]

who cares... optical media is dying... never will approach DVD level of sales/popularity anyways. HD content is already here and has been for a few years now

 

[Master Z]

If HD DVD can launch next spring with 30GB dual-layer discs, it's over with.

By this time in 2007 the ratio of PS3's to HD-DVD players in households is going to be atleast 10 to 1. HD-DVD doesn't stand a chance.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

who cares... optical media is dying... never will approach DVD level of sales/popularity anyways. HD content is already here and has been for a few years now

Yes, and how many high def movies can I go to Best Buy to buy easily? What, 1, Terminator 2?

We need widespreed high def movies we can watch and own as easily as DVD, not some channel shows here and there!!

 

[Piper Az]

If what MS and Intel say is true, then i am HDDVD all the way. Fuck copy protection, whats the use of all this storage if i cant pirate... i mean backup.. i mean ... safeguard my collection.

:lol

 

[Error Macro]

By this time in 2007 the ratio of PS3's to HD-DVD players in households is going to be atleast 10 to 1. HD-DVD doesn't stand a chance.

Yeah, and the ratio of people who buy PS3's to those that own HDTV's is going to be at least 20:1.

 

[chinch]

PS3's effect on BRD is minor. BRD will fail or succeed based on replacing "dvd" in mass-market to joe-six-pack. Need sub $99 players in Walmart.

Yes, and how many high def movies can I go to Best Buy to buy easily? What, 1, Terminator 2?

T2 is available in HD actually

Can you go to Best Buy and purchase BRD? Next spring? Summer?

Yet many people have dozens and dozens of HD content on their PC as we type.

We need widespreed high def movies we can watch and own as easily as DVD, not some channel shows here and there!!

And rent but "easily as DVD" isn't applying to BRD or HD-DVD anytime soon.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

PS3's effect on BRD is minor. BRD will fail or succeed based on replacing "dvd" in mass-market to joe-six-pack. Need sub $99 players in Walmart.


T2 is available in HD actually

Can you go to Best Buy and purchase BRD? Next spring? Summer?

Yet many people have dozens and dozens of HD content on their PC as we type.


And rent but "easily as DVD" isn't applying to BRD or HD-DVD anytime soon.

Oh, I know T2 is in high def, that's way I said 1. Not enough obviously and not easily accessible, you need HD content to push HD t.v. and vice versa they need each other. Now we have HD t.v. but a few channels here and there? These things need to come out sooner to help.

 

[Master Z]

Yeah, and the ratio of people who buy PS3's to those that own HDTV's is going to be at least 20:1.

What does that have to do with BRD vs HD-DVD?

PS3's effect on BRD is minor. BRD will fail or succeed based on replacing "dvd" in mass-market to joe-six-pack. Need sub $99 players in Walmart.

I somewhat agree. If PS3 is as popular as the PS2 was then that's a huge advantage for BRD. However, will Toshiba, or even third party manufactuers make HD-DVD players really cheap shortly after launch? That will make things much more competitive.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

All I know is if something like UMD spread as well as it did on a format that can only be played on PSP, it gives great potential for PS3 Blu-ray usage.

 

[Jill Sandwich]

I don't get this. A PC could have both drives in the case, so what's the problem?

 

[seanoff]

u realise that hddvd will have similar copy protection to bd for movies so MS's argument is more than a little fallacious.

If what MS and Intel say is true, then i am HDDVD all the way. Fuck copy protection, whats the use of all this storage if i cant pirate... i mean backup.. i mean ... safeguard my collection.

 

[pestul]

What does that have to do with BRD vs HD-DVD?

People who don't have HDTVs aren't going to re-build their libraries with BRD.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

People who don't have HDTVs aren't going to re-build their libraries with BRD.

Why don't people you know...just buy new HD movies when they come out? It's not like DVD stops being supported or anything.

 

[Phoenix]

PS3's effect on BRD is minor. BRD will fail or succeed based on replacing "dvd" in mass-market to joe-six-pack. Need sub $99 players in Walmart.

That comes from mass production and economies of scale and will happen within a 4-5 year timeframe for either format. Hell at the very least the PS3 sets the maximum dollar stage for how much a BR player can cost.

Can you go to Best Buy and purchase BRD? Next spring? Summer?

Absolutely by next summer, the content will be extremely limited, but there will be content made available the same as there was a content stream made available for the PSP.

 

[Error Macro]

What does that have to do with BRD vs HD-DVD?

The early adopters (if not involved in a major boycott) will be jumping on the first hardware/software out of the gate. Plus more lead time for Toshiba means potentially better/less expensive players by the time that Blu-ray launches. Early success = studio support.

However, I think HD discs will be quite a niche market for some time to come.