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More PGR3 amazing (or not) informations from Bizarre
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Wax Free Vanilla
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golem said:
Yeah, but those angular brake discs look like shit.
Wax Free Vanilla said:
You mean modelling wise, or texture wise? Cause either way you are being extremely fussy. You'll maybe catch sight of a brake disc once in a while, in a replay, from a distance. And they'll be spinning so fast you can't tell its not round anyway.
I'd like some proper holes in the discs though
Aruarian Reflection
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Has PGR3 been confirmed for launch? I'm concerned that the launch is 5 months away and nobody's even seen it yet, let alone played it.
Optimistic
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That's a good choice. If only Bungie had done the same for Halo 2 last E3, we may have gotten an ending! :lol
Pudding Tame
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Hopefully they'll let us unlock the whole city area with the editor so we can have checkpoint grab type races like those in Midnight Club and other racers.
mrklaw said:You mean modelling wise, or texture wise? Cause either way you are being extremely fussy. You'll maybe catch sight of a brake disc once in a while, in a replay, from a distance. And they'll be spinning so fast you can't tell its not round anyway.
I'd like some proper holes in the discs though
Wax Free usually is "fussy" when it comes to anything Xbox.
Blimblim said:
Yep, I've played the bejeezus out of PGR2 over Live. So PGR3 and GR3 at launch for sure. I'll probably still be playing them both by the time that Xbox 720 comes around.
BTW, if you ever want to play some Forza over Live, my gamertag is the same my handle here on GA. So far, the only person I've played with over Live is Gek54. It was good times, I just wish more of you cats would hop on occasionally.
The problem with Forza is that people who know how to tune a car have a very big advantage over people who don't. I only play for fun with friends (I'm definitely not the competitive type), but I still like to be able to see the other cars for more than 20 seconds after the start.HokieJoe said:BTW, if you ever want to play some Forza over Live, my gamertag is the same my handle here on GA. So far, the only person I've played with over Live is Gek54. It was good times, I just wish more of you cats would hop on occasionally.
sportzhead
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PGR3 and Madden Next Gen, Xbox 360 hotness.
Squirrel Killer
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Shompola said:
Amen to that!
AndreasNystrom
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I took the picture of the "Ambient light" and changed the colorbalance a little, and throwed down the gamma a few steps, and it looks almost identical with the "self occlosion" thing..
I guess this isnt doing the same thing, but this "showoff" is pretty bad example?
any more examples?
I guess this isnt doing the same thing, but this "showoff" is pretty bad example?
any more examples?
Uh, not rims again. Does anyone really care this much about how the rims look. Show me how these effects affect the rear end of cars and more importantly the track. Last thing I want to hear is, "Its 30fps but we have dynamic lighting on the rims."
I have spent most of my time trying to tune my cars to compete in the B league so I cant quite speak for the others but in B league the Tommy Kaira is almost impossible to keep up with in any other car. Just check the score boards to see what cars are setting the best times. First thing I do is dump the weight, add tires and then try to figure out which combination of power mods will give me the most total HP while maintaining the best HP/weight/grip ratio for the disired league. You then need to stiffen up your suspension, tighten up the gear ratios and tweak the differential. I think you can download other people's car settings if they are in the top 100 times for a certain track in a certain league. IF so check out what they are doing to their settings, test their settings and compare the diferences in the feel of the car and you should start to get the feel of how the different settings affect the car.
Blimblim said:
I have spent most of my time trying to tune my cars to compete in the B league so I cant quite speak for the others but in B league the Tommy Kaira is almost impossible to keep up with in any other car. Just check the score boards to see what cars are setting the best times. First thing I do is dump the weight, add tires and then try to figure out which combination of power mods will give me the most total HP while maintaining the best HP/weight/grip ratio for the disired league. You then need to stiffen up your suspension, tighten up the gear ratios and tweak the differential. I think you can download other people's car settings if they are in the top 100 times for a certain track in a certain league. IF so check out what they are doing to their settings, test their settings and compare the diferences in the feel of the car and you should start to get the feel of how the different settings affect the car.
shpankey
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http://www.ferrago.com/story/6100Dr_Cogent said:
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xexex said:
Yeah, stop boasting about fluff, Bizarre Creations, start talking about the essentials. 60 fps or not? Confirm it for good otherwise I have trouble taking anything you say seriously.
WHOAguitarninja
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Reading this again, it seems this process is not real time, but rather pre-calculated. I'm sure some of you picked up on this already...but it leads me to the question of whether or not this is actually all that special. It seems like a nice way to pre-bake lighting into an environment and nothing else. The wheel above looks nice, but if it's just a lightmap stored on the model, then why is it so special?
"Reading this again, it seems this process is not real time, but rather pre-calculated. I'm sure some of you picked up on this already...but it leads me to the question of whether or not this is actually all that special. It seems like a nice way to pre-bake lighting into an environment and nothing else. The wheel above looks nice, but if it's just a lightmap stored on the model, then why is it so special?"
Yeah I thought the same thing when I was reading that. It's nothing new really. RE's been doing it for years. Pre-light the environment realistically, the re-render the shadows and lighting as maps. It's like having pre-rendered lights and shadows on an environment.
But I think this will be cool because not enough games do it today. Because this is obviously going to be used mostly on stuff that is stationary and the light and shadow wouldn't change anyway if it was real time. In racing game unless the race was 24 hours, and the sun changed the positions throughout the course of your race, you would never be able to tell if it was real time or not anyway.
That shadow or light under that bridge would never change in the 5-10 minutes you're going to be racing on that track.
So all this tells me is that they're going for super realism, that having just basic light and shadow stuff rendered in real time, isn't enough. They also want to account for the stuff that isn't worth doing in real time. All in all, PG3 should look incredible.
Yeah I thought the same thing when I was reading that. It's nothing new really. RE's been doing it for years. Pre-light the environment realistically, the re-render the shadows and lighting as maps. It's like having pre-rendered lights and shadows on an environment.
But I think this will be cool because not enough games do it today. Because this is obviously going to be used mostly on stuff that is stationary and the light and shadow wouldn't change anyway if it was real time. In racing game unless the race was 24 hours, and the sun changed the positions throughout the course of your race, you would never be able to tell if it was real time or not anyway.
That shadow or light under that bridge would never change in the 5-10 minutes you're going to be racing on that track.
So all this tells me is that they're going for super realism, that having just basic light and shadow stuff rendered in real time, isn't enough. They also want to account for the stuff that isn't worth doing in real time. All in all, PG3 should look incredible.
WHOAguitarninja
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jimbo said:
I agree...I'm not complaining at all about it, it just seems like an odd thing to write an article about. One thing I just noticed however is that it says it is stored per-vertex. I dont think traditional lightmaps are done this way, are they? Arent traditional lightmaps just textures that represent the lighting in a scene? It would seem these are different. Is it possible that it is stored as some sort of value (or maybe 2 values...strength and color), allowing lights from the environment to more realistically interact with it (instead of just making a shadow brighter, as in most games, you could actually eliminate the shadow there entirely).
Keep in mind I'm not a tech head by any stretch of the imagination so if what I'm saying is completely wrong, it wouldn't surprise me. Just something I thought about for about 2 minutes.
it sounds prerendered, but not prerendered textures, like with a classic lightmap, its prerendering occlusion
So the cars passing by buildings/under bridges etc will actually have the lighting over them affected in realtime in a realistic way, which varies object by object.
should be pretty smart.
So the cars passing by buildings/under bridges etc will actually have the lighting over them affected in realtime in a realistic way, which varies object by object.
should be pretty smart.
WHOAguitarninja
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mrklaw said:
I guess this is kindof what I meant in my previous post. I have no idea what I'm talking about(well...a little actually, but not a whole lot), but I'm really excited to see this in motion
."I agree...I'm not complaining at all about it, it just seems like an odd thing to write an article about. One thing I just noticed however is that it says it is stored per-vertex. I dont think traditional lightmaps are done this way, are they? Arent traditional lightmaps just textures that represent the lighting in a scene? It would seem these are different. Is it possible that it is stored as some sort of value (or maybe 2 values...strength and color), allowing lights from the environment to more realistically interact with it (instead of just making a shadow brighter, as in most games, you could actually eliminate the shadow there entirely).
Keep in mind I'm not a tech head by any stretch of the imagination so if what I'm saying is completely wrong, it wouldn't surprise me. Just something I thought about for about 2 minutes."
I'd have to speculate quite a bit to answer your questions plus I honestly am not qualified enough to talk about the curent lighting techniques either. But obviously it has a lot to do with the engine they've developed and how it works and we'd have to know more about it. All in all, it sounds like they're just trying to simulate ray-tracing as closely as possible, through smart cheating in places where it works. It sounds like they're really just trying to concentrate more specifically on bringing out the subtle lighting of diffuse and ambient light. I guess now that I think about it, it is kind of worth writing about it. It's a pretty cool idea, although not new, just better implemented and more broad than before.
What this sounds like it's going to do is complement the real time shadows and lighting we are getting today. You know how in some games, the contrast between a shadowed place, and it's adjacent non-shadowed neighbor is very obvious? Or some of the shadows just don't quite look right even though they are real time because other objects(specifically those aren't lit in real time and have light maps and shadows) aren't lit or cast shadows with the same intensity to match your real time shadows? This is going to smooth that jarring contrast to make it look even better.
Keep in mind I'm not a tech head by any stretch of the imagination so if what I'm saying is completely wrong, it wouldn't surprise me. Just something I thought about for about 2 minutes."
I'd have to speculate quite a bit to answer your questions plus I honestly am not qualified enough to talk about the curent lighting techniques either. But obviously it has a lot to do with the engine they've developed and how it works and we'd have to know more about it. All in all, it sounds like they're just trying to simulate ray-tracing as closely as possible, through smart cheating in places where it works. It sounds like they're really just trying to concentrate more specifically on bringing out the subtle lighting of diffuse and ambient light. I guess now that I think about it, it is kind of worth writing about it. It's a pretty cool idea, although not new, just better implemented and more broad than before.
What this sounds like it's going to do is complement the real time shadows and lighting we are getting today. You know how in some games, the contrast between a shadowed place, and it's adjacent non-shadowed neighbor is very obvious? Or some of the shadows just don't quite look right even though they are real time because other objects(specifically those aren't lit in real time and have light maps and shadows) aren't lit or cast shadows with the same intensity to match your real time shadows? This is going to smooth that jarring contrast to make it look even better.