Because they had to use their taxi money buying "
Also it probably gives them an excuse to drop the facade and be a true racist white Australian.
More racist bus fun.
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Because they had to use their taxi money buying "
Also it probably gives them an excuse to drop the facade and be a true racist white Australian.
GoldenEye 007
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Eh, I've run into more racial issues (1) up north than I ever have in my 15+ years in Florida (0).
But then again, anecdotal evidence isn't exactly the most reliable data set in existence either!
shanshan310
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Because there are two 'famous' videos online of drunken Australians on the bus. And no videos have gone viral of people being sober on the bus, going to work on the bus, or speaking in different languages and everything being fine on the bus etc.
I agree, and it shits me that for some reason the government thinks it has to pander to this tiny retarded minority on the issue of refugees. Its kind of hard for the government to control its international image though. I believe they have been trying particularly hard in India, but one video can ruin a campaign.
CrazedProfessional
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Because drunks are the backbone of our society, why without alcohol Australia would b- one second
*takes a shot*
Some sort of third world country!
Because it is the drunks who do stupid shit and end up on the news.
No that can't be it! He saw a couple of videos and that obviously means we're all like it!
SniperHunter
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pathetic...these racist folks have miserable lives and they seem to be hellbent on ruining other peoples daily lives on a constant basis.
Black Republican
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ugh, stuff like that is hard to watch, wish someone verbally took a stand
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Deleted member 1235
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Waaaaay better. We have fuck faces as well and a bit of general racism from the more privileged when talking about the largest crime/unemployment demographics, also Asians cop it a little bit because they 'suck at driving cars' and so forth, but you'd be hard pressed to even find and Aussie willing to claim that nz is more racist than aus.
I'd say if you are an employed minority in nz, it's one of the better first world countries to live in.
Neoriceisgood
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Is it just me or do a lot of these racists look the same?
dripdripsplash
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Is it racist to be racist against racists ?
Phat Michael
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bogans are racist. but its kinda like judging americans on what red necks say. I dont care if im generalising. I was born and raised there so I can comment. I dont feel safe going back there.
Dude Abides
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Aren't you always complaining when people generalize about the Middle East?
I can't wait to have to kick some idiot's ass if/when I travel to Aussie
I only support this if you promise to wear an American flag Bandana and a Timedog themed rip-away shirt. Devo also has to promise to accompany you and capture the whole thing with a phonecam...in portrait mode.
We can dub in Hulk Hogan's theme later.
New World vs the Commonwealth - 2nd Impact
edit: you also have to windmill a kanga.
New Zealand is cool, much better than Australia, especially Wellington. Love them Kiwis.
In Sydney and Melbourne, it's crazy to say but I could feel the difference in treatment when I was out with a bunch of asians friends only, compared to when I was out with the wife or white friends / mixed groups.
Something about the tone, a bit of condescension, the lack of smile sometimes.... while with the latter it was the usual overfriendly, exagerated "Hi Guys, how are you today, small talk blah blah".
Of course not everyone was like that but still, it was noticeable somehow.
Loved it over there, except the chilly wind... but you can't beat Wellington on a good day ;-)
shanshan310
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That's because its not! Its one guy.
Its sad you feel that way. I mean, there are some areas I feel unsafe in, but as a whole its not an unsafe country.
I don't think it's any different to the videos posted of people racially abusing immigrants in the UK. There are racists in the UK, but it is not a hugely racist country as a whole.
The thing is, everyone has a mobile phone with a camera these days. It's easy to get footage of these incidents when they occur. Of course the mainstream media gets hold of them and the problem gets overblown. It makes it seem like the problem is far greater than it actually is.
The thing is, everyone has a mobile phone with a camera these days. It's easy to get footage of these incidents when they occur. Of course the mainstream media gets hold of them and the problem gets overblown. It makes it seem like the problem is far greater than it actually is.
tallkid123
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Was in India in January. Honestly, it's the only country I've been to where I actually lost respect for the people and the culture (mostly, the culture) after I went there. Considering I'm of Fijian descent, our Indo-Fijian brethren have it so much better compared to those still back in the homeland. And this is despite the discrimination they've suffered over the last 100 years.
Maybe for Asians. Try being the average Pacific Islander or Maori in NZ and you'll mostly be stuck in a cycle of low wage jobs and poverty with no end in sight.
Neither and I still live here. I was born and raised in an affluent area of Brisbane in the 90s. I'm a mixture of 2+ minorities so I was the only nonwhite kid for miles. Ironically, I had a good childhood though compared to my high school years in Sydney.
I've never liked the 'multiculturalism' in Sydney. I doubt it will get to the level where we start civil wars based on race but it just generally seems uneasy. Since we have no strong unifying Australian culture to tie all these groups together, foreign cultures still hold much sway. In terms of the racial groups here, I ultimately find that we just don't like each other. And I say this as someone who is a perpetual outsider and belongs nowhere, therefore with no bias for anyone.
I'll be leaving Australia within the next year or so. I do look forward to seeing the future of our country though. It's gonna be a very different place demographically in the next 20-30 years.
Phat Michael
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yes people who dont know the difference between an Arab and a muslim and people who have never set foot here calling people savages and barbarians. you see the difference here?
I spent 23 years in Australia. ive spent 9 years in the middle east. id say I can offer some fairly informed viewpoints on both areas.
humanist.
Yeah I've read a bit about their treatment of aboriginal citizens and islanders. And more recently their treatment of Lebanese immigrant citizens. It's like the one human thing is the asshole gene. You see it replicated everywhere. A community who feels under stress and they end up using passive and aggressive methods of focusing that stress on that incoming vector they deem different. Instead of using that energy as a catalyst to create something new, they end up going around in small groups harassing teenagers on buses.
MWS Natural
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That's a completely different issue and the government spends huge amounts of money trying remedy that imbalance and has done for years now. It's not something that happens overnight though and are they doing enough? Probably not, but I'd say we spend more public money than most countries do on similar issues.
Unless you're arguing that there is widespread racism among employers in New Zealand, which would be a pretty extraordinary claim.
CrushDance
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What are you going on about? Did I ever say that "white" was a singular thing. It's not uncommon knowledge that there are specific groups of ethnic people now considered white that weren't before. And again, nowhere did I say that it is currently structured to keep non whites down. And yes when I say white in this case, I'm talking about anyone with a lack of melanin in 2013. Your claim though that there are a "metric-ton ton of successful minorities" evokes once again a "And so...?" response. That's not what's being argued at all. But rather the fact that Australia amongst Canada, America, South Africa, Zimbabwe(To name the big ones). Were initially set up for white people, by white people. And to try and deny that the policies and actions therein had no long lasing effect or echoes to this day is baffling. I mean, good grief. Your population(If you're Australian) is 92% white! And I don't even care at all about "brown immigrants" in this discussion. I'm just curious where all the native Australians went too. Take a look at the U.S. where it's population is 60%+ white and the problems it faces socially. Now look at Australia and tell me with a straight face that you people are on anywhere near the same level of discussion or care at all when the person sitting next to you, you to school with, work, date, etc is probably going to be white 99% of the time and tell me that you guys actually take it seriously; when the person beside you is probably going to agree. You live in a largely homogenous society. The problems that many areas of the U.S. and Canada face that are predominately white(That being the ambivalence to racism) is the same that Australia faces as an entire country. If that doesn't bother you, I don't know what will.
I know this. What I don't know though is why there's this resistance to the notion that whiteness and how close you get to it is the baseline for Australia(And others)? I'm not trying to be dismissive of the terrible things that people who weren't considered white in history went through before being accepted. But there's no denying that in modern times. Unless you're in eastern Europe. Homogeneity and whiteness run together. Heck, this is the same in societies where people *aren't* even majority white. So why would it be any different? Or are you people seriously arguing that someone who has red hair is going to be shunned by Australian society in 2013?
No. It was a tongue in cheek comment. There is no going back from what's happened in history. Only learning from it and using what you've learned to inform better policies and meet others halfway. You don't swing the opposite way and say that you're combating a problem by being an aggressor yourself. However a great many deal of young people these days especially are utterly ignorant about history(Can't blame them when the schools gloss over it) and can't wrap their minds around why across 4 continents, there are people in absolute devastation and whites on-top. Rather they like their parents and parents before them; are poisoned with the same thoughts that said "You're this. You're just better." that led to the butchering of entire peoples. No, they would rather just say that they're "lazy, drug addicted, no good, unintelligent, inherently destructive, bla bla" and write them off.
North America for the most part admits that it has a race and social problem. We're focused on it 24/7 to the point of it honestly being nauseating. But we make progress by discussing it and through action. It's the medley of different peoples that brings light to the issues that people face across the board. Whether they're visible minorities or otherwise. Australia is pretty much the exact opposite in that regard as it's holistically white and as such; nobody really pays attention and the voices are drowned out or disregarded.roosters93 said:
This is just embarrassing. First of all, this is not a question about 1+1=2. why do I have to go to Australia to speak of it's ills when even the U.N. is saying you guys have problems with human rights? This is exactly what I was talking about when I said "echo chambers". You don't even see it. But the people that are affected, and the people who do pay attention internationally do. Perhaps you should be the one to take a step back and take another look? Telling someone that "unless you've done X. You can't speak about it!" is the worst argument ever. Secondly, your definition of racism is broken. Racism does not mean lynching people, assaulting people, raping people, or taking children from their parents in this day and age. It means a societal mindset and, oh what's it called again? Oh right! "systemic racism!". So unless you're about to deny that there was a very specific system put into place for the benefit and improvement of...uh...what do you guys even call yourselves? Australians? Anyway. That system that everything is based on, the foundation of your country is not something that you can just "fix" easily or with words alone. So just because you do not see someone literally being gang raped on the street, does not mean that racism or blissful ignorance does not exist. But I think you already know that:
"A little disturbing". You *are* talking about fellow human beings right?
And no. I didn't just read a Wikipedia article. You know what I did do? I took some time off, personal time! And actually went and learned about world history and things like slavery from ancient times, the different types of slavery, ethnic groups, rivalries and more! All to understand and gain a sense of how things came to be in the modern world. I mean, did you know that nearly every society practised one form of slavery or another? It's crazy how we tend to focus on African slavery though and ignore other prominent ones that occurred in the same time-frame. Oh right, America has a long reach.
Nobody is saying Australia is a hell-hole of human rights violations(Apart from the U.N.). Just that since you guys are so closed off from the world and...ugh, because of the past; your society is like cement. Yes everywhere is filled with psychos and less than stellar human beings. But when one group utterly dominates another, there is very little that escapes or can be challenged boldly. The reason you're feeling insulted is because you people don't talk about this to begin with. "Why is he being so mean to us? he doesn't even live here! Let us deal with our problem by ourselves!". Except your society isn't. Americans get shit all the time for what goes on there *because* of its people exposing it. Just the simple fact that so many Australians admit that there's a racism/privilege problem and then so many turn around and say that they're not racist boggles the mind. So where is this imaginary systemic racism coming from? A lot of people talk maaaaaad shit about injustices and unscrupulous behaviour. But very few actually stand up and actually try and get things changed if it means going against "their own". And Australia is largely a singular country. It's the only true British colony that flourished and survived as it was intended.
And by the way.
Is actually something that's insulting and teetering on the edge of getting personal.
Grand Funk Carwash
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Seriously you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You've read a wikipedia page (AND A BOOK!) and regurgitating it as if you have some deep insight into Australia. Your widespread human rights violations?...You know what that was? The Australian government trying to break the disgusting cycle of drug, alcohol, abuse and crime in outback communities. You ever been out into the desert? There is nothing out there but grog and violence but we can't tell them to move to a city to get help. Police, teachers, health care professionals do not want to live in the desert. Its not a short drive out into the country from the nearest city either - you're out in the middle of fucking nowhere. There is nothing out there. No jobs, no industry, nothing. The government has all sorts of programs to get professionals out there but its psychologically destroying for any graduate dumb enough to go out there and think they can make a difference.
Australia has a long history of helping and hindering the indigenous population - nobody says it has all been good. There have been policies focusing on protection, assimilation, self determination and finally throw money at it. To say that Australian's are ignorant of there own history is ridiculous - its core fucking curriculum to understand how this country was established. You know I did a single term on 'The prime ministers of Australia' and multiple years about the local aboriginal groups in my area from 1778 to today. I'm sure the Aborigines of Australia really appreciate it when a foreign celebrity blows in and tries to speak like they can solve all their problems with a hug and a smile - my favourite was Bob Geldof "They were forced to be exiled from themselves and that must stop. You need to pull them back into themselves because you've acknowledged them as being." - WTF does that mean and how does it solve any of there issues except make a rich white cunt feel like he is making a difference in the world.
You keep saying no one is talking about race issues. We do talk about it but talking about it doesn't make international news. You know what makes international news? A drunk wanker on a bus. Also why do you think the average Australian wouldn't know any 'non-white' people? I'm typical lower middle class white folk and my neighbors are Vietnamese and Indian, workmates Sri Lankan and Chinese, I went to school with Serbs, Khmer and Thai kids. My grandfather is Aboriginal.
Chapter 2. Shit to do in Australia in the night time.
Dude Abides
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So you don't oppose generalizations about broad swathes of people per se, just ones you personally disagree with.
CrushDance
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so
Canada isn't completely the same as Australia in their history. But there are striking similarities between the two and since we're talking anecdotally now. I've found that a lot of people simply don't even think about the countries imbalance or are taught the true horrors of what happened. Hence the unending stupidity about 'they get free money and smokes!' and the like. It's a painful subject for any colonized country to accept and so most people just avoid it. Avoiding discussion yet attacking.
What. So when you wrote your paper for school that you talked about, did you go back in time physically or something? I'm having a hard time understanding this 'lol Wikipedia','lol videos','lol books' as a means to discredit facts. I'm sure there's plenty of anecdotal evidence to the contrary of what is being said. Just as there always is because negative events tend to make headlines easier. But at the same time, trying to downplay what's actually going on doesn't solve anything either. Nobody is saying that they have a blueprint for peace. Every country and situations are different. What I did say was that there needs to be better dialogue and bigger steps taken to fix the problems that are present.
Canada isn't completely the same as Australia in their history. But there are striking similarities between the two and since we're talking anecdotally now. I've found that a lot of people simply don't even think about the countries imbalance or are taught the true horrors of what happened. Hence the unending stupidity about 'they get free money and smokes!' and the like. It's a painful subject for any colonized country to accept and so most people just avoid it. Avoiding discussion yet attacking.
victreeb3l
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heh, not surprised where this happened. sucks for the people that had to put up with this shit.
every time i see "NSW" i keep thinking "NSFW"
every time i see "NSW" i keep thinking "NSFW"
Grand Funk Carwash
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That is the point I'm making. We are taught what happened. Its not swept under the rug like Japanese atrocities in WW2.
Its easy to read books and think that gives you the full picture. Fact: White Australia Policy (technically policies) was in effect until 1970 - also a fact: The White Australia Policy was being dismantled for the prior 40 years. Just because they're facts doesn't mean you've got the full picture.
Who is downplaying anything? Saying there are no easy answers to the problems in indigenous communities isn't downplaying shit. Saying that people racially abusing others on public transport isn't that common isn't downplaying shit. I don't know why you take offense to the idea that one drunk fuck on a bus doesn't reflect everyone in Australia.
Did you know they're discussing how best to recognize Indigenous Australian's in Australia's constitution? That doesn't make world news does it?
Deified Data
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Anyone who stays quiet while abuse like this takes place (including the person filming) is complicit in my book.
Major_Lazer
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This thread is a joke. One drunk loser is racist on a bus so the whole country supports this behavior....
I'm a first generation migrant to Melbourne, love it here and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.
I'm a first generation migrant to Melbourne, love it here and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.
Grand Funk Carwash
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Easy to say. Hard to actually do.
RobotMafia
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Welcome to every thread on every bad thing that happens in any country. But it only matters when its the country you live in right? Get over yourself.
To be fair, we only allowed non-white immigration in the 70's and gave Aboriginals the vote in the 60's (who we'd basically been practising genocide on since the first fleet).
I blame John Howard for setting race relations back twenty years. His empire worshipping xenophobic Pauline Hanson appeasing shit is the reason why 'Australian" is still synonymous with 'white', why there has been a noticeable rise in bogan nationalism, why the Aboriginals are still in squalor (although admittedly a whole host of people can be blamed for that), and why refugees are considered cue jumpers. Fuck John Howard.
So, say the offender is drunk and/or on meth and/or has mates with him... you don't think it's okay for self-preservation to kick in? In those situations, the majority of people are thinking of their own safety than anything else. And it's a good thing that someone was filming it, because that's how arrests are made (and GAF threads are created).
Great post. I'm a white Australian and know more Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese and Malaysian people than I do Caucasians. My local shopping centre is a brilliant mix of Asian grocers, Indian restaurants and Korean bakeries. I'm also married to a Filipino. Every race getting along great! But these people only see a drunk wanker on a bus racially abusing people and generalise the entire Australian populace due to it.
Then people say "oh you's are all so sensitive to criticism about racism in your country, it must be true that Australia is 99% racist" as opposed to the more logical fact that we just take offence to being called outright racists when majority of people here know that its not true.
These threads frustrate me.
OriginofHysteria
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Hm I'm Asian, I wonder what would happen if I were on that bus and someone started yelling at me, and then I pulled a Dave Chapelle and went "YEAH! THAT DAMN ASIAN CUNT. FUCK HIM. TELL HIM TO GO BACK TO HIS COUNTRY!"
Two week ago I was catching my usual train from Western Sydney back to the City and there was a fight between two women and a pack of guys. One guy was just beating one of the women, no holds barred. The transit officers somehow got there pretty quickly.
That was ugly as.
The person filming spoke up about it as did another Asian bloke. She only started filming when her objections were of no avail.
roosters93
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One large book you've got there.
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Yes because whenever a thread is made on something bad happening in any country besides Australia that country is vilified as much as this.
urgh wtf
Glad authorities were around.
hah this cracked me up uncontrollably.
Dammit, the thread title made it sound like it was something humorous like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJPTqWtv8IQ
But this was serious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJPTqWtv8IQ
But this was serious
The irony emanating from this post is almost overpowering. Thank you again Internet for another of your blessed gifts.
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