Most used gaming platforms in Germany 2024 vs 2019: Smartphone - 22.9m (+17.5%), Console - 20.5m (+26%), PC - 13.1m (-20%)
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LordOcidax
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Interesting data.
Mibu no ookami
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This is why so many people in the PC sphere wanted to downplay PS5 Pro because it puts a barrier in place of people jumping to PC because they can get much more for the money via PS5 Pro. This is only going to increase next year with the release of GTA6...
Eventually, the PS5 Pro will be readily available for 600 dollars and even less... when older video cards get cheaper, their availability on the market dries up because manufacturing focuses on more modern cards.
It was hilarious to see people downplay a mid gen refresh and it was hilarious to see the campaign against the PS5 Pro out of the gate.
Eventually, the PS5 Pro will be readily available for 600 dollars and even less... when older video cards get cheaper, their availability on the market dries up because manufacturing focuses on more modern cards.
It was hilarious to see people downplay a mid gen refresh and it was hilarious to see the campaign against the PS5 Pro out of the gate.
Miyazaki’s Slave
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RetroGamingUK
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The scramble for GPUs for bitcoin mining really did a number of nVidia GPU prices and, thusly, PC gaming
Rocco Schiavone
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Horseganador
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The console market remains strong.
RetroGamingUK
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If you can find one in the shops over there…
pudel
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Germany isnt the same Germany anymore as of 20 years ago. It changed dramatically and not for the better.
cormack12
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Who would have thought so many PC users would have seen smartphones and tablets as a viable alternative.
In all seriousness though, if prices normalised that would shoot up within a few weeks.
RetroGamingUK
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Thanks to Apple silicon being shared my Mac and iPhone now there are more AAA games on iPad
Can't say they're huge sellers though.
lughnasadh123
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Smartphone
aka Xbox.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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If I remember correctly, most of the PC market growth is now coming from China, India, and other emerging markets like SEA (Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc.), as well as parts of Eastern Europe and LATAM. So tbh, I'm not really surprised by these stats coming from Germany.
Felessan
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Mobile didn't grow since 2020 reflecting stagnation of western mobile titles (unlike asian ones)
PC declining reflecting bad value for money of PC for gaming only purpose for price sensitive territories (and EU much more price sensitive than US)
And console cheap and diverse gaming, continue to grow)
PC declining reflecting bad value for money of PC for gaming only purpose for price sensitive territories (and EU much more price sensitive than US)
And console cheap and diverse gaming, continue to grow)
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Meanwhile the 9060 XT just released and offers PS5 Pro performance for a $349.99 RRP. Ok, market prices might not reflect that, but historically AMD cards hit their RRP after a year or so. The performance of PC GPUs at a given price point increases over time due to faster processes allowing higher clock speeds. (Even if the cost per transistor is static) While the PS5 Pro will likely stay on 5nm/4nm for its entire lifetime.
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kazuyamishima
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It's interesting to hear that the PS5 Pro has been a success in Germany
Zathalus
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Lower right corner: Source: Calculations based on YouGov Shopper (2024/2025, n=25,000). Shown is the number of players in Germany.
In Germany, YouGov Shopper (formerly known under names like "GfK Consumer Panel" or "GfK Scan It") is a consumer panel research program where participants:
1. Register online, answer basic demographic and household questions, and install the YouGov Shopper app on their smartphone
2. Scan their shopping data—either by photographing receipts or scanning barcodes—and occasionally answer short follow-up questions
3. Earn reward points for each reported purchase, which can be exchanged for vouchers, merchandise, or be entered in prize draws—new participants immediately receive 50 bonus points
So, it's data pulled from users that need to firstly register online, answer a questionnaire, use an app to scan purchased items, and then answer further questions. Methodology seems a bit suspect.
In Germany, YouGov Shopper (formerly known under names like "GfK Consumer Panel" or "GfK Scan It") is a consumer panel research program where participants:
1. Register online, answer basic demographic and household questions, and install the YouGov Shopper app on their smartphone
2. Scan their shopping data—either by photographing receipts or scanning barcodes—and occasionally answer short follow-up questions
3. Earn reward points for each reported purchase, which can be exchanged for vouchers, merchandise, or be entered in prize draws—new participants immediately receive 50 bonus points
So, it's data pulled from users that need to firstly register online, answer a questionnaire, use an app to scan purchased items, and then answer further questions. Methodology seems a bit suspect.
drganon
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While many Americans and the likes ofArtHands will froth at the mouth leading you to believe that console gaming is dying and everyone is moving to PC, that simply isn't the case in much of the world.
Germany is the 5th largest videogames market in the world
To be fair, art is a worthless troll and seething ex green rat.
FoxMcChief
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That chart is fucking crazy.
It's all Xbox.
It's all Xbox.
RetroGamingUK
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rofif
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People are really too dumb to use a pc. Seeing streamers playing stellar blade on low because they don't understand settings hurts. It people using that terrible nvidia app.
I had a streamer who had x4 dsr forced and blamed the game for crashing. But he was afraid to click defaults in nvcp.
Nobody understands dlss and they are just idiots.
And monster hunter wilds stream rating is a tragedy. I bet the port is not that bad but people are stupid and Max it out on a 1060 lol.
All in all even I, who loves pc and understands it better than anything, still enjoy greatly and prefer console gaming. It's a mix of idga just play and years of being made a fool of on pc with bad ports. And console still offers physical gaming. That said. I have over 600 steam games and I will always have a pc
I had a streamer who had x4 dsr forced and blamed the game for crashing. But he was afraid to click defaults in nvcp.
Nobody understands dlss and they are just idiots.
And monster hunter wilds stream rating is a tragedy. I bet the port is not that bad but people are stupid and Max it out on a 1060 lol.
All in all even I, who loves pc and understands it better than anything, still enjoy greatly and prefer console gaming. It's a mix of idga just play and years of being made a fool of on pc with bad ports. And console still offers physical gaming. That said. I have over 600 steam games and I will always have a pc
SamuraiEdge
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There is still a significant market for traditional consoles that have sold over 80 million units, and Sony and Nintendo have particularly excelled in Europe by focusing on localisation and logistics, building a strong reputation, networking, and maintaining consumer trust since the late 90s. Xbox is next to useless when it comes to Europe, so it isn't any surprise that they are pivoting to their software focus and being the biggest publisher (while treating their next hardware as a game pass machine with media apps).
I think out of this gen I am glad in way it's painted what things will be pretty much. Sony will be the primarily traditional high end console, learnt and reflected on the right lessons how this gen has gone so they'll be killing it in the future. Nintendo is Nintendo, and Xbox will just be all about software and services (with them having their focus on PC/Windows mainly while avoiding anything else at a major loss of sales) reaching to as many people as they can that makes sense.
These charts alone show Sony's hard effort over the years has been earned in all merit when they've respected the respected regions.
People like the simplicity still of one box plug and play in their homes and that will always be true.
I think out of this gen I am glad in way it's painted what things will be pretty much. Sony will be the primarily traditional high end console, learnt and reflected on the right lessons how this gen has gone so they'll be killing it in the future. Nintendo is Nintendo, and Xbox will just be all about software and services (with them having their focus on PC/Windows mainly while avoiding anything else at a major loss of sales) reaching to as many people as they can that makes sense.
These charts alone show Sony's hard effort over the years has been earned in all merit when they've respected the respected regions.
People like the simplicity still of one box plug and play in their homes and that will always be true.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The card is sounde 400$ for worst versions here. Is an ok card.
But imo going to pc just for ok card and with no dlss and other nvidia features?! What's the point. You either pc game for real or this is some crippled pc gaming.
This is not about price alone. I could get 5080 right now. Hell I saw fe available for msrp and really considered it… nah. I am good. I don't need this fuckery. I like playing on ps5 pro and I am kinda beyond drooling over more fps and that's only thing pc has to offer for the same games
TheTony316
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Those days are long gone. PC gaming used to be huge here in the 00's - early 10's mainly due to games like CS, WoW, farming sims and Anno.
Its popularity dropped a lot after the first mining boom in 2017 and it never really recovered.
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Gaiff
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This was never true. The PS5 is very healthy and the Switch 2 is apparently setting launch number records. There are two consoles that are indeed dying.
kruis
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PC gaming used to be much more affordable only a few years ago. The enormous price hikes for graphics card have are scaring people away from PC gaming.
DenchDeckard
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Interesting data! Go Germany.
Any info on platform splits?
Any info on platform splits?
Gaiff
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jm89
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Kupfer
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I'm not surprised. Cheaters are simply a massive problem on PC, and I can 100% understand why someone would want to escape this mess, against which you're powerless as a multiplayer PC player. The PlayStation initially offers a fairer environment, although it comes with its own set of problems.
Nevertheless, I personally notice that - because of this issue alone - I no longer find competitive games on PC enjoyable or playable.
Nevertheless, I personally notice that - because of this issue alone - I no longer find competitive games on PC enjoyable or playable.
spons
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What the fuck is YouGov Shopper and is it even remotely trustworthy for this? Glad that someone else in the thread already mentioned this.
And GPUs are fucking expensive. There's simply no excuse for mid-range shit costing 700 euros. A single component the price of the rest of the system. Fuck off man.
And GPUs are fucking expensive. There's simply no excuse for mid-range shit costing 700 euros. A single component the price of the rest of the system. Fuck off man.
DenchDeckard
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I would hope gaf users are intelligent enough to use accurate data and not anything untrustworthy to push an agenda.
Hopefully a German user can confirm they are legit. I imagine they will be.
jm89
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It's a survey as reliable as any other, and YouGov is pretty well known. Obviously sample size can effect that, but sample size isn't too bad here.
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Cakeboxer
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I am from germany, here is what i found:
In 2023, around 13.5 million people in Germany regularly played PC games. This is an increase of about 600,000 players compared to the previous year, marking a positive trend after several years of decline.
Despite this growth, the PC remains the third most popular gaming platform in Germany, behind smartphones with 22.7 million users and consoles with 18.7 million users. It's also important to note that many gamers use multiple platforms. About 18.3 million people in Germany play on more than one platform. Overall, the PC is regaining importance as a gaming platform in Germany, although it still ranks behind smartphones and consoles.
Yeah but to be fair, this is normal.
Yes, it's always better when sales data is used, but unfortunately this is rarer and rarer (not because data is not available, but because it can't be published). This is a completely normal method used for surveys. I think the data is good enough or it wouldn't have also been used by Game.de
blastprocessor
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The PC stats are suprising... I'd of expected German gamers to be increasing PC gaming over time...maybe PS is stronger in Germany?
owandeseis
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These are some big grows with PS5 falling noticeably behind PS4 in Europe, Xbox Series basically disappearing last years and Switch in decline due to the upcoming Switch 2 release.
Specially last year where console sales slowed down in the wait for Switch 2 and GTA/Price cuts, yet it shows a crazy growth lmao, would be easier to trust if it was USA data where consoles are stronger than last gen AFAIK
Specially last year where console sales slowed down in the wait for Switch 2 and GTA/Price cuts, yet it shows a crazy growth lmao, would be easier to trust if it was USA data where consoles are stronger than last gen AFAIK
DenchDeckard
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Super interesting. Thanks for the info. Looks like pc is growing after a slip in numbers but it's great to see consoles still healthy.