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[ChrisReid]

How about this one...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/12/fataldog.mauling.ap/index.html

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- The mother of a 12-year-old boy killed in his own home by one of the family's two pit bulls says she had been so concerned about one of the dogs that she shut her son in the basement to protect him.

Maureen Faibish said she ordered Nicholas to stay in the basement while she did errands on June 3, the day he was attacked by one or both of the dogs.

She said she was worried about the male dog, Rex, who was acting possessive because the female, Ella, was in heat.

"I put him down there, with a shovel on the door," Faibish said in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle. "And I told him: 'Stay down there until I come back.' Typical Nicky, he wouldn't listen to me."

Nicholas apparently found a way to open the basement door.

Despite her concerns about Rex that day, Faibish told the newspaper: "My kids got along great with (the dogs). We were never seeing any kind of violent tendencies."

Faibish found her son's body in a bedroom. He was covered in blood from several wounds, including a major head injury.

No charges have been filed.

"It's Nicky's time to go," she said in the interview. "When you're born you're destined to go and this was his time."

Ella was shot to death by a police officer the day of the attack.

Rex was taken to a shelter, but Faibish said she wanted him put down.

So the Mother was so concerned about her dogs mauling her son, that she locked him in the basement (whoever would've thought to maybe LOCK THE DOGS OUTSIDE?). He "escaped," the dog did kill him, and now it's, "Oh well, it was his time to go." Typical Nicky, always going and getting himself killed. But they got along so great other than the killing part.

I guess her son was destined to be killed by dogs with parenting like that.

 

[Willco]

OH WELL TYPICAL MOM IT'S HER TIME TO GO TO JAIL!

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Why couldn't this have happened to that boy who went all bestiality on that pit bull instead? Poor kid.

 

[nitewulf]

wait, uh, why didnt she lock the dog in the basement???
how can anyone live with themselves after something like this happens.
also, pitbulls, they are wild dogs...they are not meant to be pets (my theory). they arent good dogs, people should get labradors as pets. pitbulls are horrible.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Sounds a little fishy, maybe she locked both dogs and the kid in the basement.







-IMO-


(sigh)

 

[MC Safety]

I can only think that maybe destiny would have been foiled if mom had a brain in her head.

 

[Odnetnin]

awful shit.

i weep for humanity

 

[Gattsu25]

she needs to get her ass arrested...ciminal neglect

 

[aoi tsuki]

Hope she likes vagina razorblades.

 

[Fragamemnon]

This sounds like a bit more creative-and thus harder to prosecute version of "accidentally" leaving your child in the car on a hot day, a.ka. "The Li'l Sizzler". The usual methods of child-killing wouldn't work because the little brat was 12 years old.

The last thing the world needs is another snot-nosed 12 year old American, but I hope there is a completle investigation and that, if she's guilty, she gets the maximum sentence.

 

[dskillzhtown]

I read this today. Sad story, but dayum, who did she love more, the pitbulls or her son? I mean, get rid of the f'n dogs if they are a danger to your kid! The mom sounds like she is a lil crazy anyway.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

I read this today. Sad story, but dayum, who did she love more, the pitbulls or her son? I mean, get rid of the f'n dogs if they are a danger to your kid! The mom sounds like she is a lil crazy anyway.

Better yet, don't buy a dog that's been bred for power if you aren't willing to put in the time to train it properly. Pit Bull Terriers are like most terriers: intelligent, inquisitive, and most importantly -- stubborn. When trained properly, they're great around kids and strangers, although their pack instincts always makes them a threat when other dogs are present (Pit Bulls in some ways are more obedient than most terriers, since they want to please you very much). Any poorly trained dog is a threat to people, but the Pit Bull's a bigger threat since it has more power behind its uncurtrailed aggression.

 

[Diablos]

So what are we gonna blame this on? What kind of depression? Can't wait to hear how much time the talking heads devote to this one if the story gets hotter.

"JOINING US TONIGHT IS DOCTOR MICHAEL WINESMAN, EXPERT IN DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO BECOME ATTACHED TO THEIR ANIMALS INSTEAD OF THEIR CHILDREN. MICHAEL, HOW COULD A DOG POSSIBLY INFLUENCE A MOTHER TO DISREGARD HER CHILD'S SAFETY? ARE THE DOGS TO BLAME...?"

 

[MC Safety]

So what are we gonna blame this on? What kind of depression? Can't wait to hear how much time the talking heads devote to this one if the story gets hotter.

They'll probably make a case the woman was disturbed.

And no charges were filed? Isn't locking a child in a basement child endangerment?

 

[Shinobi]

This is why I despise pit bull owners...whenever an attack occurs it's always everybody elses fault but theirs and the dog. Jesus, her fucking 12 year old son is DEAD, and it's his fault? Because he refused to stay locked in the basement like a fucking animal? Why didn't you just lock the dog in the basement you fucking dipstick?

Fuck pitbulls, fuck their owners, and fuck anyone who defends them.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

this is why we need to neuter people at birth, and only when they pass a test are they allowed to have children.

 

[Lil' Dice]

Dumb bitch. I'm still buying a pit bull though, no other dog is cool enough for me.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

This is why I despise pit bull owners...whenever an attack occurs it's always everybody elses fault but theirs and the dog. Jesus, her fucking 12 year old son is DEAD, and it's his fault? Because he refused to stay locked in the basement like a fucking animal? Why didn't you just lock the dog in the basement you fucking dipstick?

Fuck pitbulls, fuck their owners, and fuck anyone who defends them.

I totally agree with the first part. Whenever dog attacks occur, owners attempt to deflect blame from their dogs or themselves to the victim. "Oh, the child shouldn't have ran in the opposite direction, exciting Poochy into chasing him down and mauling him to death. The dog was just having a bad day; I forgot to brush his teeth in the morning. Don't blame him." Irresponsible owners are the number one reason dog attacks like these occur.

Second part I'm having trouble getting behind. "fuck pitbuls...and fuck anyone who defends them." I'll defend the majority of Pit Bulls for a few reasons. I say majority, because some shitty breeding practices that occured in the early 1900's, as the breed became very popular, have created a number of unpredictible, overly aggressive dogs that should not exist. However, poor breeding has affected many, many breeds of dog -- the once dependable Golden Retriever's been afflicted with emotional problems (not to mention higher rates of hip dysplasia and physical ailments in general) thanks to overbreeding and overpopularity -- so singling out the Pit Bull for a few bad apples that should be eliminated immediately, isn't fair because it afflicts most breeds of dog.

I defend the majority of Pit Bulls because, like all dogs, when raised properly it's not a danger to humans or other animals. Pit Bulls have the potential to bite and attack. All dogs do, to varying degrees. Difference is, Pit Bulls have a lot more oomph behind their attacks, so when something does go wrong, it goes very, very wrong. Tempermentally, Pit Bulls aren't overly aggressive, or unpredictable; they're characteristically Terrier in nearly every way, except they're much more submissive with their owners (making them easier to train).

It is the Pit Bull's natural strength, not unpredictable temperament, that makes it a dangerous dog when poorly trained. Then again, nearly every breed of dog is dangerous when poorly trained, but as I said above, the Pit Bull's strength makes it more dangerous when things go wrong. Who would you be more afraid of: a police office equipped with an AK-47, or a psychotic double homocide prisoner holding a pair of scissors? When properly trained, the Pit Bull's a dependable friend with the tools for destruction, but the temperment of a good companion. A different breed of dog that's been poorly trained might not have the inherent strength and tools for the job that a Pit BUll does, but it's far more dangerous.

Is it the Pit Bull's fault its owner never properly taught it obedience? No. Unless the Pit Bull in question is an anomaly to the breed (it's impossible to completely eliminate aggressive "bad" dogs from a breed), the responsibility for its viciousness should be placed squarely on the owners' shoulders. Even if the dog exhibits over aggression naturally, that energy should be properly boxed and refined by its owner so it never rears its ugly head around strangers.

Perhaps if less people associated the Pit Bull with a badass dog to own, we'd have less idiots with inferiority complexes purchasing them to make themselves feel powerful.

/rant.

 

[xsarien]

The problem with pit bulls isn't *just* the breed, or *just* the owner. It's both. This particular dog is genetically prone to be very aggressive. It's they way the breed was, well, bred. Breaking that cycle is pretty much close to impossible these days. But are they so aggressive that they can't be pets? No, but there are caveats:

1) Children in the home are not recommended. The pit bull is probably on the very short list of breeds that are not recommended for families. If it is, that's something the AKA and ASPCA need to address.

2) A tight leash needs to be kept on the dog, literally. A $10 leash from PetSmart isn't good enough for a pit bull. These dogs are strong; they need a leash that's either reinforced with a nice, thick chain at the collar/leash connection, or better. They're relatively small, but you need a leash for the bigger and stronger breeds.

3) If you walk the dog amongst other, more docile breeds, keep it on a short leash. That one Law and Order episode about the pit bull in the park wasn't an exaggeration of what these things can do.


I know here in San Francisco they're thinking about adjusting some laws that prevent bans on specific breeds of dog, and I believe some city in Colorado (I want to say Denver) has already taken the step. That's a bit extreme, and a mass destruction of dogs that merely have the capability of being violent is cruel. What I would support is some kind of additional attention placed on pit bull owners. In addition to having to license the dog, you may have to provide (and maintain) specific conditions in your home in order to keep the animal. Have kids? The pup's gotta go. Territorial outbursts like the one that just happened can get pretty nasty.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

The problem with pit bulls isn't *just* the breed, or *just* the owner. It's both. This particular dog is genetically prone to be very aggressive. It's they way the breed was, well, bred. Breaking that cycle is pretty much close to impossible these days. But are they so aggressive that they can't be pets? No, but there are caveats:

Actually, the dog was bred to be a valiant fighter on its owner's behalf in the ring, and a dependable, human-loving pet otherwise. Pit Bulls that showed aggression towards humans out of the sporting arena were killed, no questions asked. The point was creating a quick, powerful dog that could engage in brutal combat, emerge the victor, then go back to its masters home and be a family pet. The American Canine Temperament Testing Association says the Pit Bull has a 95% passing rate on temperament testing; contrast that with the 77% for all breeds grouped together.

1) Children in the home are not recommended. The pit bull is probably on the very short list of breeds that are not recommended for families. If it is, that's something the AKA and ASPCA need to address.

Actually, the American Kennel Club still says the Pit Bull is a good dog for families and children. Also refer to the temperament test statistic I wrote above.

2) A tight leash needs to be kept on the dog, literally. A $10 leash from PetSmart isn't good enough for a pit bull. These dogs are strong; they need a leash that's either reinforced with a nice, thick chain at the collar/leash connection, or better. They're relatively small, but you need a leash for the bigger and stronger breeds.

Very true. Pit Bull's aren't big, but combining a powerful bulldog with tenacious and powerful terriers combines for a product that packs a lot of power into a small area.

3) If you walk the dog amongst other, more docile breeds, keep it on a short leash. That one Law and Order episode about the pit bull in the park wasn't an exaggeration of what these things can do.

It's not an exagerration of what ANY poorly trained, overly aggressive dog can do.

I know here in San Francisco they're thinking about adjusting some laws that prevent bans on specific breeds of dog, and I believe some city in Colorado (I want to say Denver) has already taken the step. That's a bit extreme, and a mass destruction of dogs that merely have the capability of being violent is cruel. What I would support is some kind of additional attention placed on pit bull owners. In addition to having to license the dog, you may have to provide (and maintain) specific conditions in your home in order to keep the animal. Have kids? The pup's gotta go. Territorial outbursts like the one that just happened can get pretty nasty.

I agree that some specific restrictions need to be placed on Pit Bull owners, as well as owners of other large/powerful dogs whose physical strength make them much more dangerous should they become human aggressive. However, I think you're going overboard with the Pit Bull hate. My friend has a Pit Bull, and it's one of the most docile dogs I've ever encountered. As a child, my uncle's Pit Bull treated me as gently as most well trained terriers do. Pit Bulls are friendly, eagre to please dogs that happen to be stronger, quicker, and more dangerous than most dogs if they're improperly trained.

Because of their physical prowress, we need restrictions placed on owners to insure idiots, who want a menacing dog, don't buy a Pit Bull just to turn it into a monster.

Here's a cyoote site about Pit Bulls: http://www.thisisruby.com/

 

[miyuru]

Maybe people shouldn't even get pit bulls in the first place. I mean since they're so powerful, they inheritly pose a threat to society.

Bla bla bla if they're trained properly it's all good. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Maybe people shouldn't even get pit bulls in the first place. I mean since they're so powerful, they inheritly pose a threat to society.

Bla bla bla if they're trained properly it's all good. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.

Yeah, let's ban all dogs over 10 lbs then. Such ignorance :|

 

[ChrisReid]

Yeah, let's ban all dogs over 10 lbs then. Such ignorance :|

Well, you don't really hear many problems from "all dogs over 10 pounds." There are plenty of sad pit bull stories though. Banning them outright probably isn't the answer though.

 

[xsarien]

Actually, the American Kennel Club still says the Pit Bull is a good dog for families and children. Also refer to the temperament test statistic I wrote above.

Temperment means nothing, nor does loyalty. At the end of the day, a dog is still a dog, and it will fall back on instinct on occasion. Case in point, any moron you see "walking" a dog without a leash. The common argument is that the animal is trained to stay by the owner's side, but the moment the dog sees something worth chasing - whether it be a squirrel, bird, gopher, whatever - he/she's suddenly in the middle of traffic, just asking to become a grease stain.

I once hand-delivered a small dog back to its owner after it had obviously gotten out of an unfenced yard. (Thankfully, it was wearing a collar). The woman kind of looked at me funny, said "Oh, he's never done that before," and probably put the dog right back where it escaped from in the first place.

That also applies to aggression. A dog can be so gentle that it literally would hurt a fly, but if do something to anger it, intentional or not, things can go down hill pretty quickly. Exactly how long this takes depends, yes, on training and how that training has affected the animal's trust of humans.

It's not an exagerration of what ANY poorly trained, overly aggressive dog can do.

The Pit Bull is unusually strong for its size, nevermind much more persistent.

Because of their physical prowress, we need restrictions placed on owners to insure idiots, who want a menacing dog, don't buy a Pit Bull just to turn it into a monster.

Which is all I'm really saying, with the added suggestion that a dog that's "stronger, more aggressive than average" probably isn't best suited for families. There's no hate here. Pets in my family, both immediate and extended are treated like royalty. The people who "hate" dogs generally have little concept of how an animal would react to a certain situation as opposed to a human. An abused or ill-trained dog will attack or be aggressive because it thinks it's okay to do so; but even a well-trained, gentle dog will start to get nasty if it thinks the situation warrants the behavior. Combine the latter with a Pit Bull, and that's when you get unfortunate stories of otherwise "gentle" Pit Bulls going apeshit.

The woman admitted that the male was getting territorial because the female was in heat. Behavior-wise, the dog did what it did because it's, well, a dog (with a bad temper.) It could've been easily avoided if both of them had been fixed, and that's the woman's fault.

 

[miyuru]

Well, you don't really hear many problems from "all dogs over 10 pounds." There are plenty of sad pit bull stories though. Banning them outright probably isn't the answer though.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it were to come down to in 10-20 years.

I don't mean to be ignorant, and yeah, I've heard stories of dog attacks that don't involve pitbulls. It's unfortunate but the media really jumps on any negative pitbull related stories. I'm sure they're great dogs (I'm a cat owner myself, so I don't know much).

In related news, a pitbull tried to kill my cat today haha. Thankfully it was on a leash.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Well, you don't really hear many problems from "all dogs over 10 pounds." There are plenty of sad pit bull stories though. Banning them outright probably isn't the answer though.

Yeah, there are plenty of sad Pit Bull stories, which probably occur for a few simple reasons:

1. The Pit Bull's history, appearance, and social stigma attract people who shouldn't own dogs. The Staffordshire Terrier, like any dog, will be aggressive, violent, and unpredictable if poorly trained. Individuals who see these animals as guard dogs or dogs to be used to make themselves look tougher, are part of the growing number of irresponsible dog owners than contribute to many deaths, both animal and human.

2. Ignorance on the part of the media and citizens skew statistics. There's no arguing that Pit Bulls make up a signifigant portion of fatal dog attacks -- their physiology means any Pit Bull attack is likely to be severe (other dog attacks might be critical, but not life threatening since they lack the power Pit Bull's possess) -- however, the number of dog attacks, fatal or otherwise, committed by the Pit Bull is likely overreported due to the Pit Bull's appearance. When questioned what kind of dog just attacked them, most people will answer Pit Bull due to its appearance that it shares with many other dogs. If you aren't eduacted on what a Pit Bull looks like, and a fierce, menacing dog rushes at you, it's forgiveable if you assume your attacker was a Pit Bull even if it could be any number of dogs that share similar physical characteristics.

3. The media, like most people, like depicting events in a black and white manner. Victimizing the Pit Bull as an inherently dangerous breed (sure is -- most dogs are inherently dangerous too) that needs to be destroyed is much more fun than reporting a Pomeranian attack (killed a small infant and weighs between 3 - 8 lbs).

We need to stop saying blank dog is bad because of this and blank dog is good because of this, because there are no good or bad breeds of dog. There are, however, good and bad owners.

It's sad that the Pit Bull's image as a ruthless killer actually fuels its popularity among the exact people who shouldn't own any dog, period. I will agree that if the Pit Bull continues to be abused -- because poorly trianing your animal so it later has to be euthanized is abuse -- we might need to put restrictions on the dog. I just want to make it very clear that the Pit Bull is not very different than other dogs except for its physical prowress, and even then, it has many equals.

 

[pjberri]

Dumb bitch.

The mother or the dog? LOL!!!!

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Ah, just read your posts, guys, and I'm sorry if my previous one sounded a bit harsh. You seem to understand exactly where I'm coming from on this, so apologies if I started getting a bit patronizing or preachy.

Case in point, any moron you see "walking" a dog without a leash. The common argument is that the animal is trained to stay by the owner's side, but the moment the dog sees something worth chasing - whether it be a squirrel, bird, gopher, whatever - he/she's suddenly in the middle of traffic, just asking to become a grease stain.

Aren't there leash laws across most of North America? It's illegal to walk a dog without a leash where I'm from.

I once hand-delivered a small dog back to its owner after it had obviously gotten out of an unfenced yard. (Thankfully, it was wearing a collar). The woman kind of looked at me funny, said "Oh, he's never done that before," and probably put the dog right back where it escaped from in the first place.

Stupid. Leash laws need to be universal. Dogs shouldn't be let out of their kennels unless they're under proper supervision.

Which is all I'm really saying, with the added suggestion that a dog that's "stronger, more aggressive than average" probably isn't best suited for families. There's no hate here. Pets in my family, both immediate and extended are treated like royalty. The people who "hate" dogs generally have little concept of how an animal would react to a certain situation as opposed to a human. An abused or ill-trained dog will attack or be aggressive because it thinks it's okay to do so; but even a well-trained, gentle dog will start to get nasty if it thinks the situation warrants the behavior. Combine the latter with a Pit Bull, and that's when you get unfortunate stories of otherwise "gentle" Pit Bulls going apeshit.

True -- a big dog probably isn't the best choice when infants are around.

Again, apologies if I came off as being a bit nuts in my last reply

 

[miyuru]

I will agree that if the Pit Bull continues to be abused -- because poorly trianing your animal so it later has to be euthanized is abuse -- we might need to put restrictions on the dog.

:lol :lol :lol

Pitbulls are inherently more dangerous than your 'average dog'. I think there should DEFINITELY be restrictions placed on owning one as a pet, just like owning some sort of dangerous, exotic animal.

If you're good with dogs OpinionatedCyborg, which you obviously are, such restrictions shouldn't be a problem. And yeah, I know, all dogs are dangerous. But as you stated, pitbulls can be much more dangerous, so why should we allow such a potential threat to go unregulated?

It's obvious you love dogs, but you have to think a little more out of the box, because not everyone is as great with dogs or as knowledgeable as yourself.

EDIT: w00ps, just saw your last post. No hard feelings, DAWG! LoL!!!11!!

jk jk

 

[White Man]

So what are we gonna blame this on? What kind of depression? Can't wait to hear how much time the talking heads devote to this one if the story gets hotter.

"JOINING US TONIGHT IS DOCTOR MICHAEL WINESMAN, EXPERT IN DEALING WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO BECOME ATTACHED TO THEIR ANIMALS INSTEAD OF THEIR CHILDREN. MICHAEL, HOW COULD A DOG POSSIBLY INFLUENCE A MOTHER TO DISREGARD HER CHILD'S SAFETY? ARE THE DOGS TO BLAME...?"

I hope you're not implying that post-partum depression doesn't exist.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

:lol :lol :lol

Pitbulls are inherently more dangerous than your 'average dog'. I think there should DEFINITELY be restrictions placed on owning one as a pet, just like owning some sort of dangerous, exotic animal.

If you're good with dogs OpinionatedCyborg, which you obviously are, such restrictions shouldn't be a problem. And yeah, I know, all dogs are dangerous. But as you stated, pitbulls can be much more dangerous, so why should we allow such a potential threat to go unregulated?

It's obvious you love dogs, but you have to think a little more out of the box, because not everyone is as great with dogs or as knowledgeable as yourself.

EDIT: w00ps, just saw your last post. No hard feelings, DAWG! LoL!!!11!!

jk jk

hahah

There should be strict restrictions placed on all dogs and their owners. All dogs outside of the owner's house/property need to be leashed unless the area they're in is designated as a no leash zone. Owners found to abuse their animal, or put others in a dangerous situation, need to be heavily charged. Dogs who attack humans need to be put down, and their owners need to be heavily charged. Breeders should lose their accreditation if they choose to breed dogs so they have a greater propensity towards violence.

More restrictions are needed for all domestic animals, but I'm not sure if the Pit Bulls need a seperate set of restrictions since there are other dogs who're naturally more aggressive, and naturally more powerful.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Just get a golden. :O

 

[cvxfreak]

I would have drove away with the kid. Screw the house if it gets destroyed, save the kid.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Just get a golden. :O

Goldies are nice, but it's still fun to have a dog that will throw some sass your way as a puppy. Pushovers get a bit boring

 

[Shinobi]

Hey, I'm sure the handful of pet tigers out there are also well behaved...doesn't mean I wanna see 'em taking a leak on the fire hydrant outside my house.

I've simply had enough of hearing the excuses with these dogs. I had a pit bull (or something similiar) take a running lunge at my throat a few years ago, and only the grace of God and a flimsy screen door kept me from becoming a statistic. In Ontario, they recently voted to ban the dogs...and while it probably isn't the best course of action, I can't say I'm crying myself to sleep over it.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Hey, I'm sure the handful of pet tigers out there are also well behaved...doesn't mean I wanna see 'em taking a leak on the fire hydrant outside my house.

uh...tigers aren't domestic animals so it's a bad comparison :/ But while we're on the subject of wild animals, I'll bring up my parents' first good jobs as supervisors at a wild animal park. There they were responsible for taking in a lot of young, wild animals like lions, tigers, apes, wolves, and bears. For the most part, the wolves were well mannered animals if they grew up around you at an early age, although they were far more aggressive about their food and territory than dogs. Remus, a wolf that lived with my parents for the first year of its life, would growl nastily if you came near its food or tried stopping it from getting into the garbage, but otherwise was a friendly animal. Apparently, baby bears, however cute they appear, are not little bundles of joy. My mom actually feared for her safety when a 3 week old cub that was staying with them decided she felt like attacking; they might be small, but their claws are long, and sharp from an early age.

I've simply had enough of hearing the excuses with these dogs. I had a pit bull (or something similiar) take a running lunge at my throat a few years ago, and only the grace of God and a flimsy screen door kept me from becoming a statistic. In Ontario, they recently voted to ban the dogs...and while it probably isn't the best course of action, I can't say I'm crying myself to sleep over it.

Is blaming the owner really making an excuse for the dog? I'm not saying we should save these dogs who attack people, just that the owners and breeders need to take responsiblity for their actions. Pit Bulls are inherently powerful, moreso than many dogs, but they aren't exceptionally aggressive creatures. Stricter laws and regulations need to be implemented for both man and beast, but no one breed needs to be singled out. If you're going to muzzle/ban a Pit BUll because its genetically more powerful, then all dogs equal to its physical characteristics should receive the same treatment because they're equally dangerous when abused/misguided.

"I had a pit bull (or something similiar)"

Do some quick research (I suggest hitting up wikipedia, then clicking the links it refers to for more information before finally doing a google search) and you'll probably read exactly what I've been saying all along about Pit Bulls.

If there's one thing all of us agree upon, it's that stricter regulations are required. I'm trying to make it clear that Pit Bulls aren't the vicious killers they've been portrayed to be since the 70s or 80s, but I'm not saying tougher regulations aren't required.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Sweet Jesus. How can a mother toss off the death of her son with "it was his time to go", while blaming him for the death, under these circumstances? I'm a parent, and this just makes me sick to my stomach.

As for those defending pit bulls.....not sure what to say to you. I read stories about these dogs mauling adults and especially kids all the time. Since they do so more than other dogs, and there are more than enough other types of dogs to own, I don't see the problem with asking people to no longer keep them around. At least, not in neighborhoods with kids.

One kid's life is worth more than every fucking pit bull on the planet.

 

[SvelteBoy]

A few months ago, Ontario passed a bill to ban pit bulls. It'll be interesting to see if other provinces or even states follow the same given the severity of pit bull attacks.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

As for those defending pit bulls.....not sure what to say to you. I read stories about these dogs mauling adults and especially kids all the time. Since they do so more than other dogs, and there are more than enough other types of dogs to own, I don't see the problem with asking people to no longer keep them around. At least, not in neighborhoods with kids.

Say you've read our posts, then done a quick 15 minutes of research online. Seriously, you're taking an oversimplified stance on an issue that has more faces than a Jackson family photo album, so I ask you to learn more about the animal you're condemning before writing writing it off as the be all end all of animal attacks.

Unless you plan on banning all dogs that have a high potential to injure or kill humans should they become aggressive (and trust me, if a dog weighs over 40 lbs, it probably has the potential to cause some serious harm -- the Staffordshire Bull Terrier (English Pit Bull) weighs between 25 and 35 lbs) calling for the banning of one single breed isn't the long term answer because it fails to address the reason why dog attacks occur in the first place: poor guidance, poor training, and weak regulations.

We need laws that hold owners responsible for their dogs. We need laws ensuring all dogs must be leashed at all times when they're off the owner's property. We need laws ensuring owner's of killer dogs are brought to justice. We need laws persecuting the scrupulous pet owners who mistreat their animals into being aggressive towards others. We need breeding organizations to impose tougher restrictions on their breeders to insure dogs aren't being bred for fighting.

There's a lot of people who see the Pit Bull's strength and societal image as a way to enhance their own warped view of the world. Take away the Pit Bull, and these jackasses will buy Rotweillers, Doberman Pinschers, Bulldogs, German Shepherds, Bullmastiffs, or any other dog that can be associated with threat and intimidation, and the deaths will continue.

Point is, there are many dogs that equal or exceed the Pit Bull's physical prowress (pound for pound, the Pit Bull's an amazing creature that has an equal mixture of power and speed -- that's what you get when you mix bulldog with terrier), and many dogs with naturally worse temperaments. The Pit Bull is unfairly singled out by the media as a bad dog due to its physical resemblance to other breeds leading to skewed statistics, our society's attitude that it's the dog's fault--not the owners', and convenience.

 

[lexy]

We need laws that hold owners responsible for their dogs. We need laws ensuring all dogs must be leashed at all times when they're off the owner's property. We need laws ensuring owner's of killer dogs are brought to justice. We need laws persecuting the scrupulous pet owners who mistreat their animals into being aggressive towards others. We need breeding organizations to impose tougher restrictions on their breeders to insure dogs aren't being bred for fighting.

Seriously. Owning a dog is a privilege not a right.

That said, I've never been bitten by a dog but I swear to God that the day a dog attacks me or anyone in my family I am going to kill it right on the spot no questions asked.

I've been following this story on the local news here and to tell you the truth the most disturbing thing about the story is the mother's lack of compassion for her dead son. It's very bizarre.

 

[Shinobi]

If you're going to muzzle/ban a Pit BUll because its genetically more powerful, then all dogs equal to its physical characteristics should receive the same treatment because they're equally dangerous when abused/misguided.

Can't say that would bother me either. :lol World would be a cleaner place without half those mutts if nothing else. If rottweilers, German shepards and dobermans were done away with along with pit bulls, I'd probably dance a jig.

That said, I've never been bitten by a dog but I swear to God that the day a dog attacks me or anyone in my family I am going to kill it right on the spot no questions asked.

That's basically my mentality...if a dog attacked me or my family and it was within my power to do so, I'd beat it to death and throw the corpse onto the owner's porch. And if they had a problem with that, they'd get some of the same treatment.

Boy, don't I sound like a tough guy. :lol

 

[Instigator]

Well, you don't really hear many problems from "all dogs over 10 pounds." There are plenty of sad pit bull stories though. Banning them outright probably isn't the answer though.

Why not? What would be lost by not allowing people to own them as pets? Society is not crumbling because it's very hard to get a license to own a tiger or grizzli bear in a populated area. Pitbulls are dangerous animals, an artificial breed created to be much more agressive than any other breed of dogs. I'd consider that animal a threat unless under professional care.

Ban other dogs too if you feel the pitbull is unfairly treated in the media. All the better. Less crap on the sidewalks too.

 

[Diablos]

I hope you're not implying that post-partum depression doesn't exist.

I never said that. I'm just saying the media will likely find some kind of bullshit excuse to give this mother some sympathy for caring more about the dogs.

 

[CueTheMusic]

Banning everything over 10lbs is crazy. Many of the larger dogs are gentler than lots of the small ones.

And just for fun... This page is a bit biased, and I'll tell you right now the pit bull here is not respresentative of an adult pit bull, but it makes you think. Many of the dogs on this page get lumped in with pit bulls because they have a wider face and somewhat of a pushed in nose. Many of the people calling for a pit bull ban have no idea what a pit bull actually is.

Find the pit bull.

 

[Rei_Toei]

My neighbors had a golden retriever that has bitten little children in the head twice. Surely, they (gr's) are less a threat then pitbulls, but without proper raising, they're still dangerous. All dogs suck monkeyballs anyway, cats rule, cats never kill people (save the suffocated baby with a cat planting it's ass on the baby's mouth every now and then). Cats rule.

The 'typically Nicky' quote - I'd laugh if it weren't so sad.

 

[Shiggy]

In Germany the law says pit bulls have to wear something like this:

Maybe that is what California needs. (OK, things like that still happen here.)

 

[darscot]

When are they going to just exterminate this breed. How many kids have to die? People are clearly too fucking stupid to have this type of dog.

 

[Days like these...]

Can we get this back on topic? This woman chalked up her son's mauling to death as 'it was his time to go'! I would support and eye for an eye type of justice in this case. What a cold callous heartless bitch!

 

[maynerd]

This woman needs to be punished. She deserves the chair!

 

[AB 101]

But the dog was in heat so its okay.

<rolleyes>


Never read anything flattering about fucking pitbulls.

And the mother should be jailed.