MTV Presents: The Next Generation of Xbox Revealed | Xbox 360 Whinging Thread
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Sathsquatch
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It probably would have helped if they showed more than like 2 minutes of game footage and more than 5 seconds of footage from each game other than PD0. Even if Gears of War looked amazing, everyone will focus on the extremely disappointing PD0.
O M G !!!!!
That was horrible, beyond my worst possible imagination. Everything looked like it belonged in the current generation. Tony Hawk and PD0 were utter jokes. I don't know why they highlight those games.
The games that looked decent were Gears of War, Ghost Recon 3, PGR3, NFS Most Wanted and Madden. Both NFS and Madden were not gameplay shots and likely renders. GoW and GR3 had obvious framerate problems. Nothing at all gave off a that "Wow factor."
This has got to down as one of the biggest blunders in all of gaming. Seriously, I predict some major delays for this console.
This has got me worried about the next-gen. If Sony and Nintendo are supposedly only a little more powerful and look like this crap, I won't bother with next-gen until I have no choice. If all that's being offered is marginally prettier games, I won't bother. It's not worth the money.
Also, to all those A-holes who pretended like they had seen PD0 and were giving winks and crap, acting like it was going to be awesome.... I HATE YOU!!!!!!
That was horrible, beyond my worst possible imagination. Everything looked like it belonged in the current generation. Tony Hawk and PD0 were utter jokes. I don't know why they highlight those games.
The games that looked decent were Gears of War, Ghost Recon 3, PGR3, NFS Most Wanted and Madden. Both NFS and Madden were not gameplay shots and likely renders. GoW and GR3 had obvious framerate problems. Nothing at all gave off a that "Wow factor."
This has got to down as one of the biggest blunders in all of gaming. Seriously, I predict some major delays for this console.
This has got me worried about the next-gen. If Sony and Nintendo are supposedly only a little more powerful and look like this crap, I won't bother with next-gen until I have no choice. If all that's being offered is marginally prettier games, I won't bother. It's not worth the money.
Also, to all those A-holes who pretended like they had seen PD0 and were giving winks and crap, acting like it was going to be awesome.... I HATE YOU!!!!!!
The Take Out Bandit
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Wait a minute, was there no mention of backward compatibility; or was I too busy making my sandwich ignoring the Top-40 white rockers of the week?
Microsoft = The New Sega :lol
Microsoft = The New Sega :lol
DarienA said:
Exactly what is damage control about my opinion of "some of it looked good and some of it looked like shit"? Anyone with half a brain long ago knew the show itself would be a tacky celebrity suckfest and it was. So, what are we talking about then, the games? PD0 does NOT look good. Or, I should say, it does not look like what we'd hope a next gen game looks like. The other games were about 5 second clips of varying quality. The whole show left me unmoved in either direction. PD0 is a disappointment at this stage, yet some of the details on the console itself are pretty sweet. Damage control? Just being even handed, ace.
Hey everyone, ya better hop in line and say the Xbox 360 is going to be the fucking Hindenburg of video games before Darien accuses you of damage control.
Doc Holliday
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OK we know that sucked...
THe question I have is..what were they thinking? What was the reasoning behind blowing your load, and a very weak load, before e3? This has to be one of the biggest blunders ever. If you have a shitty e3 nobody really cares except us hardcore peeps, but jesus fucking up on national TV is really retarded.
THe question I have is..what were they thinking? What was the reasoning behind blowing your load, and a very weak load, before e3? This has to be one of the biggest blunders ever. If you have a shitty e3 nobody really cares except us hardcore peeps, but jesus fucking up on national TV is really retarded.
From one of the locked threads:
I would like to point out for posterity's sake that neither customizable faceplates nor system handles are, in actuality, cool.
However, what Microsoft ought to do is require the presence of the faceplate in order to turn the sytem on, as a theft deterrent. That way people could be super-cool and carry their customized, goosed-out faceplates around with them all the time to pick up chicks. Maybe they could even sell faceplate chains!
Smiles and Cries said:
I would like to point out for posterity's sake that neither customizable faceplates nor system handles are, in actuality, cool.
However, what Microsoft ought to do is require the presence of the faceplate in order to turn the sytem on, as a theft deterrent. That way people could be super-cool and carry their customized, goosed-out faceplates around with them all the time to pick up chicks. Maybe they could even sell faceplate chains!
Geez, I don't think it's even possible to be more disappointed than I was after watching this crap. The show itself was garbage(as expected from MTV), but PD0 really let me down. I'm not even close to impressed. Rare has really fallen off. I really hope for MS's sake that they are holding back some greatness for E3. For now, I'm bailing out of the 360 bandwagon.
seismologist
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Not a big enough leap. I dont see why MS expects people to rush out and buy Xbox 360 for the great new Xbox Live features. The Xbox Live marketplace is not as exciting as they're trying to make it out to be.
I wrote this in another thread but since is the "official" reaction thread
Before everyone writes off the XBOX360 remember that...
1. Incomplete hardware...lets wait unti the system is finished and the games are running off of the final hardware
2. Still 6 months before launch...a lot of time to polish the games
3. The next generation of games are meant to be viewed on a HDTV, without one you will not see the extra detail, etc... what we watched tonight was not a true representation of how the games will look on a good tv
I wasn't really impressed with MTV showing for the most part but I will wait to draw my conclusions as the launch of the system gets closer.
Before everyone writes off the XBOX360 remember that...
1. Incomplete hardware...lets wait unti the system is finished and the games are running off of the final hardware
2. Still 6 months before launch...a lot of time to polish the games
3. The next generation of games are meant to be viewed on a HDTV, without one you will not see the extra detail, etc... what we watched tonight was not a true representation of how the games will look on a good tv
I wasn't really impressed with MTV showing for the most part but I will wait to draw my conclusions as the launch of the system gets closer.
Sathsquatch
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:lolWraith said:
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
They should have shown the video prize at ourcolony.net instead. Complete and utter trash indeed.
sonycowboy
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gamefan said:
:lol
Xbox 360's slogan:
"We've got no BC, give us your DC" :lol
Mr. Lemming
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Uter said:
Heck, I'd pay for that level of ambition and confidence through the Live Marketplace.
I really was disappointed with this show though. The Halo 2 special last year was pretty decent, all things considered. It had the celebrities and "cool" factor and a musical performance and all the stuff you expect from MTV, but it also had content geared towards gamers. There were interviews with the focus actually on the interviewee and good game footage, with sound and full screen video.
I can see the reasoning behind not giving everyone a really good look at the games if they are as unpolished as they seem to be, but from my end where I'm really interested in getting a handle on what is exactly new with all this stuff, I would have been happy with 30 minutes of 15 fps Perfect Dark footage, trying to ID all the new gameplay elements (Jetpack! Skeletons/XRays!). Instead we now know that characters consist of 5000 polygons. Woo.
I wasn't the target audience, which is understandable, but the show still disappointed me.
WrathOfOtaibah
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Before this special, I was going to get an X360 on day one for PGR3. After this special, my interest in this machine is low. In fact, I might even skip X360 altogether and anticipate PS3 and Revolution more.
Well done, Microsoft. Well done.
Even if it is months before release, they could and should have done a better job.
Well done, Microsoft. Well done.
Even if it is months before release, they could and should have done a better job.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
That was horrible. And even if those games weren't choppy, this sort of gaming is a dead end. Thanks for highlighting it in such "hipness" Microsoft. Fuck all.
Xenon
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What I've learned from the MTV 360 tv debut
1. Gaming personalities = oxymoron
2. The Saturn minds eye campaign wasn't really that bad
3. RARE sucks
4. Having scripted clips of the games play behind the killers isn't as interesting as a random light show.
5. Microsoft will never ever ever ever.... be cool.
6. Never let the yahoos from pimp my ride near my electronic equipment.
7. Attractive girl gamer does not always equal "hot"
8. Burger King is the true winner here.
9. I fear for MS @ E3
10. 360 is just one letter different than 3D0
And the saddest thing of all..... more people were probably watching The Apprentice pimp Sony Playstation in the EA Fight Night contest. What a fucking joke!
1. Gaming personalities = oxymoron
2. The Saturn minds eye campaign wasn't really that bad
3. RARE sucks
4. Having scripted clips of the games play behind the killers isn't as interesting as a random light show.
5. Microsoft will never ever ever ever.... be cool.
6. Never let the yahoos from pimp my ride near my electronic equipment.
7. Attractive girl gamer does not always equal "hot"
8. Burger King is the true winner here.
9. I fear for MS @ E3
10. 360 is just one letter different than 3D0
And the saddest thing of all..... more people were probably watching The Apprentice pimp Sony Playstation in the EA Fight Night contest. What a fucking joke!
What was that quote from a couple of weeks ago about PD0 being like an updated version of TimeSplitters? Yeah, maybe we should pay more attention to statements like that.
What was that war game they showed? Was it Call of Duty? Whatever it was, it literally looked like an N64. That was the only truly hideous game.
EDIT: I retract that statement. I just downloaded a video of CoD 2 and it looks just fine. Must have been something with my TV.
What was that war game they showed? Was it Call of Duty? Whatever it was, it literally looked like an N64. That was the only truly hideous game.
EDIT: I retract that statement. I just downloaded a video of CoD 2 and it looks just fine. Must have been something with my TV.
gamefan said:
1. No, obviously you shouldn't put it in a box if it's not set; all indications are that everything is 100% good to go
2. Again, no, launch titles, to be glorious, should be in the home stretch now and be looking for bug-squashing and polish and manufacturing. We shouldn't be seeing renders of Madden and PGR3 and NFS at this point.
3. You must be joking. God of War looks awesome on my old tv that I have to use an RF for, let alone my HD set in the living room. If they looked good, they'd LOOK GOOD.
I'm a huge gadget nerd - I bought my PSP basically for ONE game (WipeOut)...it would only take one game to get me all kinds of hyped on a new system. The capabilities and front-end are there on the system, but right now, there just aren't any games...
Then again, PS2 had no games at launch I wanted besides SSX. So hey, we'll see. But I'm not holding my breath.
WrathOfOtaibah
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1) That was Microsoft's fault. If they weren't ready, they shouldn't have done this show. So a game like PD0 will look 10x better on final hardware? Unlikely. If these games are made for these development kits, nothing is going to change except slowdown.
2) Its less than six months. They got to wrap these babies up a month or so before launch to start making them. I'd say 4 months, 5 tops. Not a whole lot. Maybe E3 builds will be better but will it really?
3) Most gamers aren't going to own a HDTV. I'm a college student. I sure as fuck can't afford a $800-1200 HDTV and neither will 99% of gamers. If HDTVs are needed, then even more reason to look forward to Rev and PS3.
We're all making rash judgments but also, this was supposed to be a show to wow gamers. It did not.
teruterubozu
Member
I am currently flipping back and forth between MTV and The Apprentice:
Apprentice: Donald's playing Fight Night Round 2 at a Sony/Best Buy/EA event.
MTV: Chick pulls out the 360, then The Killers
FIGHT!
Apprentice: Donald's playing Fight Night Round 2 at a Sony/Best Buy/EA event.
MTV: Chick pulls out the 360, then The Killers
FIGHT!
daegan said:
But you know absolutely nothing about game development. Bug squashing will happen about 3 months before ship date, polish will get introduced a month and a half after that (only for some titles) and then there's a month of certification the game has to go through. Seriously, you have no idea how much can change in even a week, especially at this point of the dev.
You also have to consider how soon into development did they create the demo. Several of the magazine demos were vastly improved when the final game was released about a month later. SSX3 demo was running at sub 30fps. That said I still doubt Rare will come through by launch. Ubisoft on the other hand WOW.
As a Canadian, I feel the amount of airtime CTV is giving to advertise this special is frankly, frightening. The contest may have something to do with it, though.
The fact that they mentioned this special on the local news put a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. But I feel that every time I feel they put ads on the local news.
And what does this band performing have to do with the Xbox 360?
The fact that they mentioned this special on the local news put a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. But I feel that every time I feel they put ads on the local news.
And what does this band performing have to do with the Xbox 360?
teruterubozu
Member
Now I'm watching them pimp this guy's ride - what is this?
Interest meter fading...
Pacific Time report yo!
Interest meter fading...
Pacific Time report yo!
The thing that blows my mind is that on paper, the X360 is some seriously powerful hardware. With those SPECs there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't be seeing games of higher visual quality considering a November launch is planned.
This leads me to a few conclusions and observations:
1) Developers are struggling with the Alpha hardware (severely)
2) Some of these games have been put together extremely quickly (<6 months) and it shows
3) The screenshots being released for many games look like marketing/PR renders for Xbox games. We all know when Xbox games are finally released, they always look considerably worse than the original hi-res renders. Maybe many of the screens are from actual in-game footage and not doctored in the usual way? (I know, why the fuck would they do that...)
#1 and #2 lead me to believe that MS is rushing the launch of the X360 and developers are simply not ready to show their games. The hardware is going to be fantastic, as will the Live! services, etc. but developers certainly haven't been able to extract that excellence yet.
This leads me to a few conclusions and observations:
1) Developers are struggling with the Alpha hardware (severely)
2) Some of these games have been put together extremely quickly (<6 months) and it shows
3) The screenshots being released for many games look like marketing/PR renders for Xbox games. We all know when Xbox games are finally released, they always look considerably worse than the original hi-res renders. Maybe many of the screens are from actual in-game footage and not doctored in the usual way? (I know, why the fuck would they do that...)
#1 and #2 lead me to believe that MS is rushing the launch of the X360 and developers are simply not ready to show their games. The hardware is going to be fantastic, as will the Live! services, etc. but developers certainly haven't been able to extract that excellence yet.
Pedigree Chum
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"Aside from functioning as a just another on/off switch, the Xbox 360 power button is surrounded by a ring of colored light, divided into four quadrants. Depending on the individual game and programming by individual developers, these lights can be used to communicate certain info. For example, let's say you're playing Halo 3 splitscreen with three other friends and one of them gets an invite over Xbox Live his quadrant of the circle could light up red as an alert. How the ring of light will work in practice with actual games remains to be seen. Since the Xbox 360 can stand vertically or rest on its side horizontally, an internal gyroscope sensor will let the machine know its orientation and adjust its circle of light quadrants accordingly."
Sounds cool. MS MEGATON! GYROS!
Sounds cool. MS MEGATON! GYROS!