True, but it even generalizes more than many might think. A lot of southern white republicans in the US have also gotten more zealous and many kids adopted into the alt-right in many cases over regulation of expression, both official (gay wedding cakes, gay marriage certificates) as well as social pressuring. I think people often make the leap to wrong-headed repressing when really any time you change something previously acceptable you'll stir the pot and make enemies. In the end, it's about regulating those enemies, and China probably knows that. Their goal is destroying culture and this is effective especially when the group in question is a minority group.
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Muhammad no more: China bans Muslim name for Muslims
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True, but it even generalizes more than many might think. A lot of southern white republicans in the US have also gotten more zealous and many kids adopted into the alt-right in many cases over regulation of expression, both official (gay wedding cakes, gay marriage certificates) as well as social pressuring. I think people often make the leap to wrong-headed repressing when really any time you change something previously acceptable you'll stir the pot and make enemies. In the end, it's about regulating those enemies, and China probably knows that. Their goal is destroying culture and this is effective especially when the group in question is a minority group.
Business
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Same strategy they have in Tibet afaik. In the end it's even democratic...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/06/us-china-xinjiang-idUSKBN0G60AA20140806
Baxk in 2014 I posted a thread about how those with veils, long beards, head scarves, loose fitting indo-persian style clothing, any clothing with a crescent moon and star were being banned from boarding buses during a crackdown.
Anyone who thinks this doesn't work just needs to look at Tibet. Chinese authorities also watch during Ramadan what employees or students miss eating a lunch around noon to see who is Muslim etc. They have completely clamped down. They will be far more successful at it then the Soviet Union because of the geographical and ethnic differences. The Soviet Union always had a large Turkic or Muslim population they tried to repress. Once the Soviet Union collapsed and that centralized power was gone, very hard for them to control. Whereas in China, pretty much state sponsored atheism coupled with a country with a 1 billion plus Han chinese homogenous ethnic group means Uighurs stand little chance. The Communist party isn't changing any time soon, and no country in the world is going to care they are cracking down on muslims in a remote region of China.
Baxk in 2014 I posted a thread about how those with veils, long beards, head scarves, loose fitting indo-persian style clothing, any clothing with a crescent moon and star were being banned from boarding buses during a crackdown.
Anyone who thinks this doesn't work just needs to look at Tibet. Chinese authorities also watch during Ramadan what employees or students miss eating a lunch around noon to see who is Muslim etc. They have completely clamped down. They will be far more successful at it then the Soviet Union because of the geographical and ethnic differences. The Soviet Union always had a large Turkic or Muslim population they tried to repress. Once the Soviet Union collapsed and that centralized power was gone, very hard for them to control. Whereas in China, pretty much state sponsored atheism coupled with a country with a 1 billion plus Han chinese homogenous ethnic group means Uighurs stand little chance. The Communist party isn't changing any time soon, and no country in the world is going to care they are cracking down on muslims in a remote region of China.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Who says that? China is a leader of the world, but if they manage to gain as much influence as the US has had for the last 70 it won't be the free world.
It isn't.
bonesmccoy
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So much ignorance in this comment that it's insane. The term "jihad" is actually a term from the quran that means "to struggle." It's associated with one's struggle against: their own personal demons/sin. The process of battling your own jihad is how you reach inner peace. The term is actually very beautiful.
You Are Viewtiful
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I met a kid named Jihad before. That was before 9/11, I wonder what he's up to now.
Jag
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NYT is reporting it too. Not saying they can't make mistakes, but they are generally better about sources.
I would quote the article, but apparently NYT online disabled right-click selecting, lol.
The Artisan
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is it not backwards to disallow people from giving their newborns popular names?
there's apparently 10 million Muslims when the overall Chinese population is over 2 billion?
At least chinese cop won't try to shoot non chinese resident?
BreezyLimbo
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Tbf the term has been coopted and is associated with terrorism in the west and China from the looks of it.
RustyNails
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One simply does not ban Muhammad
FullMetalx117
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Isn't it the most popular name in the world?
I have it as a middle name. Didn't really want to go to a pollution infested china anyways
I have it as a middle name. Didn't really want to go to a pollution infested china anyways
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Well, that name is poison in the West now.
I feel bad for any kid growing up with the name Jihad
chillybright
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TheRealTalker
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again China still oppressing the Uighur region in particularity
trying to get rid of anything they hold on too in order to forcefully occupy them, be it language, culture, dress codes, to what they are allowed to sell
stupid law but if you look at all the other laws the put in that region then this one is the lesser one
trying to get rid of anything they hold on too in order to forcefully occupy them, be it language, culture, dress codes, to what they are allowed to sell
stupid law but if you look at all the other laws the put in that region then this one is the lesser one
Uhhh, China has actually been pretty successful at repressing religion. They kind of let Buddhism slide though, they just let people call it traditional Chinese culture, not religion.
China must have gotten about 600 million more people from somewhere no one seems to know about.
The Artisan
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the Uighurs don't count as residents? if that's the case, why is the main priority the dictation of what to name their kids?
600 million?
They've had a one-child policy not too long ago, a no-Muslim name policy seems easier to enforce by comparison. In this culture war, China will win because they are turning Muslim culture into troublemaking outsiders with low career ceilings. They are making the parents decide between religion and their child's future.
Pretty shitty but what do you expect from China? They're North Korea's overlords after all
Skellig Gra
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China seems pretty effective at it so far. I heard Stalin was pretty good at it too.
To be fair
What's the point of even having names if every fifth guy is named a variant of Muhammad?
Yes. Though, they kind of developed a philosophy of picking winners and promoting them. Crush those not loyal to the state, then prop up some favored institutions that explicitly recognize the state superiority (or are integrated with the state). Stalin introduced a loyal Orthodox Church as an approved state religion, and China has various approved religious organizations too (and has had people of various religious persuations high up in goveernment).
Having experienced Brexit I guess you are right. :/
Is there a way to support the groups being oppressed in meaningful way?
TheRealTalker
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poppedcollar69
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They should also ban Christine, Jesus, and Christian
And Moses
And Moses
The Artisan
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your avatar...
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Man you'd really get made fun of in school if your name was Jihad
Mahamood, Hamd, Hamdi, Himad, Hamid, Tahmid, etc,,,
That fear of Muslims and that fear of divide, which banning names will likely only increase the fear of both on both sides.
There have been multiple posts like this, but even if it is true that an internal struggle is one aspect of Jihad, the toxic external doctrine of violence in defence of the faith is still very much a part of the term.
TheRealTalker
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really? wow never even knew
)so many alterations from one single name lol
Also there are a ton of other Muslim names that people can basically use as well (let alone there alterations)
like the 99 names of Allah but put a Abdi or Abdu over it
or even Prophets that are Prophets or important people from the other Abrahamic faiths like David/Dawud or Moses/Musa or Jesus/Isa
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On another note suppressing any group of individuals in order to counter future uprising and upheaval is overly stupid since by doing so you are literally giving a reason to turn something that was tension to a full blown uprising.
RipperGrim
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Do they really name their kids Jihad? Would make it impossible to do anything in most of the western world without issues.
TheRealTalker
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You don't get it.
It is the ONLY aspect.
Jihad means to struggle.
One can have a Jihad with their exams (and I've seen it been used like this before).
Jihad in warfare literally means a struggle against a oppression or force that is using violence against you or innocents.
But when you engage in that struggle there are literal Islamic military Jurisprudence that come into effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence
The problem here is that milita/terrorist groups like Al-Qeada and Deash try and propagate it as thus saying basically THE WEST is out to kill them all and enslave them.
The media that doesn't know shit about other languages then goes and tries to simplify the term by connecting it to some common understanding like Crusades or HOLY war.
The term was always the same thing which was "to struggle" in some cause or situation.
As much as current English definitions and translations can morph with the times and the viewpoints of that time period the ARABIC word doesn't change.
So by all means say the ENGLISH TERM means this and that or even flying hamburgers if you got enough people to agree with you.... BUT the original term means what I stated above and it will forever be that in the present, past and future.
andythinkpad
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I have never heard of any Chinese named 耶稣， I wouldn't be surprised if it's not allowed.
Jihad's origin as an arabic term comes from Bedouin raids against rival tribes that predates the Quran. It is used many times in the Quran purely in the context of expansionary war and combat against nonbelievers. It is clearly not just an internal struggle.
yanipheonu
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I mean it's China so I'm not exactly suprised.
You know, these cultures' tendancy to marginalize and persecute other cultures under the pretense of protecting their own makes me question why were defending them in the first place.
Oh, so the only reason your culture tolerates me is because I was born in the right place, have the right religion and have the right skin colour.
I feel so secure. I'm sure you won't turn against me.
You know, these cultures' tendancy to marginalize and persecute other cultures under the pretense of protecting their own makes me question why were defending them in the first place.
Oh, so the only reason your culture tolerates me is because I was born in the right place, have the right religion and have the right skin colour.
I feel so secure. I'm sure you won't turn against me.
TheRealTalker
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Again you...
a) Try to morph what was said which was "to struggle" to a limited definition of to "internal struggle".
b) people fighting or using that word before the Quran is common knowledge as it is a Arabic term and conflict and wars in the Arabian peninsula predated Muhammad.
Rather the use of the word was refined and completed with the Quran as were a ton of other Arabic words and grammar.
c) The Quran uses it to refer to struggle and if applied to warfare as a struggle against said people to whom you are in combat against.
Clash of ideals or even clash against one's desires and self control goes under this umbrella as well.
Basically you can also use the word in the context of self defense (and before you use verses without actually knowing its context and/or cherry picking it out of a large narrations with before and after verses).
You can twist and turn the meaning, you can narrow it down to mean only one thing and not the others but reality stays the same. The origin of a word from a action is not only common for Arabic but a ton of other languages as well. It evolved towards its final form but the origin of it was still the same. Those Bedouins created it prior to showcase a struggle of their clan against another, via rivalry, war, or even revenge.
You assumptions will only please people who wish to believe what they want to believe it doesn't in anyway change the actually real meaning when all is said and done.
I just provided you with the truth and reality if you can't accept it then it is on you and not me since in the end you can only correct yourself.
You are narrowing down something too broad and thinning it down to only mean one thing when clearly it isn't
You can't have a struggle if there is literally nothing to struggle against.
Jihad itself can have secular connotation as well as Islamic connotation, each of which follow a set of rules and branches. None of which just toss it into only war and nothing else with no meaning or any reason as to why.
If it goes to the context of war however then you break it to either a Secular context or an Islamic one to each have their own rulings and engagement.
Again when you enter combat Jihad for Islamic conditions then Islamic rulings take place which are these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_military_jurisprudence
Don't try and twist things into some narrow margin then come and reply at me with ridiculous agenda based reasoning
Your info can fool people who are ignorant and relay on agenda based propaganda from some alt right source but someone who actually knows what they are talking about?
The only thing you can do is change what I said.
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