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"My family doesn't use the other F-word"

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SeanR1221

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/31/livin...m_campaign=Feed:+rss/cnn_health+(RSS:+Health)

(CNN) -- We don't use the F-word in my family. And by F, I'm not talking about the F-bombs, because those get dropped from time to time. I'm talking about the word "fat." The word is banned from my house with the same vigilance that racist language would not be tolerated. Extreme, perhaps, but I have a husband who went through a chubby stage and still bears the scars of his prepubescent ridicule. I also have two tween children with very different body types and low thresholds for teasing. Mention weight or body shape among my family and the reaction can be nuclear, unleashing a tsunami of tears, screams and "I hate you!"

Extreme body awareness and the barf-starve-smoke-yourself-to-thinness regimen is hardly new for teenagers and young women. But the age at which the obsession is starting seems to be creeping even younger. Today, according to the Duke Center for Eating Disorders at Duke University, more than 40% of all 9- and 10-year-old girls have already been on a diet.

The National Eating Disorders Association reports that 40-60% of children between ages 6 and 12 are worried about their weight and 70% want to slim down.

Maybe this isn't so surprising given the aggressively narrow proportions in girls' clothing these days in trendy skinny jeans, Lycra leggings and unforgiving clingy tops that are all the rage among the under-12 set. It's no wonder that young girls are more aware than ever of their own mini-muffin tops or "baby fat" as grandmas call it. Compound clothes with the omnipresent camera phone, photo stream and "selfies," and it's a recipe ripe for self-loathing.

We know that there is a very real childhood obesity epidemic in this country plaguing entire communities and it is one of the most significant health issues of our time. Our snack food nation is chock full of overstuffed soda-coma kids who play outside less and eat more. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2010, more than one-third of children and teenagers in the United States were overweight or obese. The number is alarming. It's a national crisis that everyone from first lady Michelle Obama on down seems intent on tackling.
In fact, my daughter's elementary school participated in an amped-up fitness program this year. The program included cardio and flexibility tests, weighing the children and taking a body mass index. The results were printed with color-coded columns that red-flagged danger zones for kids at risk in various categories.

I happened to walk into the school on a morning when some fourth-grade girls were being herded into a corner next to a scale and weighed by the physical education teacher, who then typed the children's weight into a laptop. As the girls waited to be weighed, some looked like they were about to burst into tears and others like they were going to throw up. One of the tiniest girls in the grade stood next to one of the largest, in a painfully awkward scene that seemed stolen from a Judy Blume novel.

For the next few days the chatter among the girls was "What do you weigh?" My daughter came home stressed; she, like many of the girls, didn't want to share her weight or even step on a scale. The whole ordeal was mortifying, even among a group of average-sized girls. I told my daughter she didn't need to tell anyone her weight, and if pushed, I said she could lie.

Having just been to the pediatrician for my daughter's annual physical, she and I knew exactly what she weighed and that she was perfectly healthy. But the number on the scale startled her. On the cusp of puberty, many of the girls' bodies are changing, and emotionally they are more fragile than ever. I told our school principal that I didn't want my daughter weighed. Even at age 9 or 10, regardless of the number on the scale, it just felt like a public shaming.

"We're very concerned about some of the children's anti-obesity programs and messaging that's happening now," said Claire Mysko, manager of the National Eating Disorders Association's Proud2Bme program. "They are well intentioned, of course, but when the focus is on BMI as an indicator of health and when kids are getting weighed at school and comparing notes, it can really be a trigger for kids who are already feeling vulnerable. There is research out there that these programs may be backfiring. The kids are coming home more anxious. The goal is to shift the conversation away from BMI and talk about what makes your body feel good."

A few years ago there was a public outcry when Dara-Lynn Weiss documented in Vogue the severe diet she put her 7-year-old daughter on. The article was part confessional about Weiss' own body issues and struggle with food, as well as her yearlong quest to slim down her daughter. Weiss got the mother lode of scorn heaped on her by the blogosphere and even the media. But after Weiss learned that her daughter was obese at 6 years old standing 4 feet 4 inches and weighing 93 pounds, didn't she have to take some serious intervention?

My daughter enjoys a good meal, especially if mac and cheese is on the menu. So when she went to sleepaway camp at 8 years old, I had prepped her ahead of time about making healthy food choices: Make sure to eat lots of fruit and drink plenty of water. Stay away from all the white and creamy ranch salad dressings. Choose the clear ones that look like vinaigrette, I told her.

One of the first letters she sent home that summer was all about what she ate for dinner.
"Mommy you'll be so proud of me, I didn't eat the white dressing. I ate the clear one!" she wrote.
The letter had me laughing and a little worried. At 8 years old, had I started the beginning of a life-long eating disorder or am I just making for a conscientious and healthy eater?

"As parents you have to set boundaries but you don't want to make certain foods off limits or shameful. You also don't want to set it up that every time you have the chocolate cake that it's indulgent or sinful," Mysko said. "We don't want kids thinking about calories or fat grams and stoking that fear. And shame is not a motivator of healthy behavior."
Some children hit the genetic lottery and don't have to worry about their metabolism or weight, but many more, boys included, feel the embarrassment of being the bigger kid.

Experts say that the key for parents is to not obsess about the number on the scale and also to look at their own attitudes about food and weight. If every time you walk by the mirror you're scrutinizing yourself, you're sending a dangerous message to your own children.
"Weight is a fear that so many parents have. But we have to shift the focus away from weight and BMI. It's less about making sure kids don't get fat or that fat kids get thin," Mysko said. "The conversation should be about how can we make all kids healthy and feel good about themselves."

Thoughts?

I have to agree that causing anxiety over weigh ins isn't beneficial for kids, whereas learning proper nutrition is
 
70% of the adult American population is fat, as in overweight or obese, and it's good for kids to learn proper eating and exercise habits at an early age. Of course you also want to avoid the opposite kind of eating disorders so I guess it's important to phrase your arguments in a good way. Banning words like "fat" is usually not the way to go though.
 

jaxword

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Skinny = Ok
Tall = Ok
Short = Ok
Muscular = Ok
Lean = Ok
Thin = Ok
Fat = An insult on the level on racist slurs.

There's something wrong with the deliberate demonizing of just that one word here. It's not right to make fun of people for conditions they can't control, that is cruel. But...why don't the others get as much focus and criticism?

I'm not sure obsessing over the morality of the terminology is going to help people improve their health, though...
 

SeanR1221

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Guys don't get too caught up in if this person doesn't say the word fat. Focus more on the current programs for childhood obesity and how they can be improved or changed.
 
You know what?
I honestly don't think the term "fat" is very useful as it's not a scientific definition by any means, and completely subjective.

Secondly, kids should really not be worrying about their weight, unless they're so heavy that it might pose them a risk in the present and the future. What I mean by "future" is the fact that if you were overweight as a kid, you will have a harder time losing weight as an adult.
Therefore, in my opinion, it's better for kids to be skinny than weighty, as they will then not have to deal with the "former-fat" handicap in adulthood.
 
If your nine year old feels like they need to be on a diet or you are assisting them on a diet you've failed as a parent.
 
Some children hit the genetic lottery and don't have to worry about their metabolism or weight, but many more, boys included, feel the embarrassment of being the bigger kid.

Sounds like self serving nonsense. "Genetic Lottery"? More kids are fat than in the past and we need to work much harder to reverse this trend.

The woman should be banning foods not words.
 
I think they're absolutely right about everything. Few imo hit the genetic lottery to where they're immume to eating like shit without any consequence (I've not statistics to back it up). As indicative of a previous thread, "Fat" in itself opens the flood grounds for abuse. It's changed.

The woman should be banning foods not words.

Apparently this doesn't work well.
 

berg ark

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Skinny = Ok
Tall = Ok
Short = Ok
Muscular = Ok
Lean = Ok
Thin = Ok
Fat = An insult on the level on racist slurs.

There's something wrong with the deliberate demonizing of just that one word here. It's not right to make fun of people for conditions they can't control, that is cruel. But...why don't the others get as much focus and criticism?

I'm not sure obsessing over the morality of the terminology is going to help people improve their health, though...

I agree 100%. If anything fat should be one of the most insensitive things to say to a person since it's one of the areas that actually can be changed. I can't change my height, but fatty over there could lose some weight.
 

Kurdel

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I think they're absolutely right about everything. As indicative of a previous thread, "Fat" in itself opens the flood grounds for abuse. It's changed.

A few synonyms are less charged, but there are many more that are far worse than the F-Word.

Thesaurus.com said:
beefy, big, blimp, bovine, brawny, broad, bulging, bulky, bull, burly, butterball, chunky, corpulent, distended, dumpy, elephantine, fleshy, gargantuan, gross, heavy, heavyset, hefty, husky, inflated, jelly-belly, lard, large, meaty, obese, oversize, paunchy, plump, plumpish, ponderous, porcine, portly, potbellied, pudgy, roly-poly, rotund, solid, stout, swollen, thickset, weighty, whalelike
 
You know what?
I honestly don't think the term "fat" is very useful as it's not a scientific definition by any means, and completely subjective.
What? There are several perfectly objective measurements of being fat. Percentage of body weight is the simplest one and on large samples (like populations) you can also use body mass index.
 
What? There are several perfectly objective measurements of being fat. Percentage of body weight is the simplest one and on large samples (like populations) you can also use body mass index.

The appropriate terms really is "Obese" (in its various grades).
Fat is more used like an insult, not with a strict definition, and it's not at all used in an objective sense by the scientific community other than as a colloquial term (which is problematic, as most people seem to use it for a pretty wide range of weight, from slightly overweight to obese).
 
I'm sorry but the banning of the word "fat" is just plain stupid. You can't have a proper discussion on diet and nutrition without using that word.
I wonder if they should ban the C word.
Carbohydrate
.
 
The appropriate terms really is "Obese" (in its various grades).
Fat is more used like an insult, not with a strict definition, and it's not at all used in an objective sense by the scientific community other than as a colloquial term (which is problematic, as most people seem to use it for a pretty wide range of weight, from slightly overweight to obese).
No, fat is more of an umbrella term covering all different stages of being fat. Obese people are severely fat.

Edit: There are even scientific studies on the word usage such as (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21150255).
 

Kuga

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I don't get it. How is "moving the goalpost" and acting more sensitive to overweight kids going to fix the underlying problems? Objectively, heavier people (above certain thresholds) are more likely to experience health issues at earlier times in their lives. Telling a kid "you're fine the way you are" isn't going to prevent coronary heart disease or diabetes.

I wonder if they should ban the C word.
Carbohydrate
.

Worst word in the English language, bro.
 
This woman is exactly the kind of inane, panicky, obsessive type of soccer mom that I detest. They are trying to turn the world into a molded plastic with rounded edges playground. Make sure that slide isnt too high, it could be dangerous. And it would be nice if you could also make it so the monkey bars can be reached while standing on the ground so we can be sure that every kid can use them successfully without embarrassment.
 

SeanR1221

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Why do I get the feeling a lot of you guys didn't read the article :/

Anyway, since weigh ins and labeling doesn't seem effective for kids, lets discuss some ideas that might be effective.

One local school promoted a no screens week. Kids were told to not use the tv, tablets or iPods for a week and engage in some new outdoor activities. I thought that was a pretty good one.
 

nubbe

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The government need to remodel the society to shift from a carbon & sodium based diet
We have crabs in abundance in the western world

Being a little chubby isn't bad for a kid since they are growing.. but they should have an active lifestyle and be outdoors.
Throw out that Xbox
 

Arjen

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I get where the writer is coming from, but on the other hand, the obesity problem needs to be fixed.
Kids nee to go outside and play more i guess, i hardly see that anymore.
 

FZZ

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Skinny = Ok
Tall = Ok
Short = Ok
Muscular = Ok
Lean = Ok
Thin = Ok
Fat = An insult on the level on racist slurs.

There's something wrong with the deliberate demonizing of just that one word here. It's not right to make fun of people for conditions they can't control, that is cruel. But...why don't the others get as much focus and criticism?

I'm not sure obsessing over the morality of the terminology is going to help people improve their health, though...

One just has a negative connotation though, it's like calling a skinny person "anorexic."

I'm not making an excuse for their health, they should make an effort to exercise and improve their health and the self confidence that comes with that won't lower their morale when others call them fat.

But I still don't know when it became cool to hate on fat people though, stuff like this is a vocal minority and yet the whole population gets hated on.
 

Kurita

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I still don't know when it became cool to hate on fat people though, stuff like this is a vocal minority and yet the whole population gets hated on.

I don't if you can call it "cool" but fat people have been looked down upon for decades. It's not really new.
 
I get where the writer is coming from, but on the other hand, the obesity problem needs to be fixed.
Kids nee to go outside and play more i guess, i hardly see that anymore.

No with internets, ipads and busier parents those days are gone! PE and recess is needed more than ever.
 

PBY

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A. I find it offensive to equate "fat" with real hate speech that isn't tied to life choices.
B. Fat is a descriptor. People are fat. Its not a hateful term in a vacuum- its a reality.
C. Humans will rationalize their shitty life choices to no end- sometimes it takes harsh realizations to change up one's lifestyle.
 

Derwind

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I'm a dude and the worst shot i've had at my self-esteem was all those lectures from my parents about my weight. Its fucking brutal.

Recently I was 160lbs at 5'7" and I still got the "you got to work on thst weight" speech. Its hardest to deal with when your parents have unreal expectations on weight.

I don't think I'm alone on this either.
 

spock

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What are your thoughts on this...

My 4 & 5 year old, dont think or talk about dieting. But they do know that to much junk food, sugar and lots of carbs will make you unhealthy. They also know being fat is not healthy (as is smoking, etc).

They know that they can eat just about anything they want in moderation and that they should and do eat the healthy part of their meals first. Basically I teach them if they eat healthy and are physically active most of the time, then they dont have to pay attention to the times they eat junk or whatever. They kind of understand what habits are, etc.

Its a weird situation at times because when some people and family members are around them they are put off by the fact that the kids are aware of some level of nutrition. My kids dont say anything bad or about what other people do/eat but they will say something like, we dont eat mc donalds or whatever because its bad for you. Or they might say eating to many sweets is bad for you, etc. To me its cool cause I see my 5 year eat say some chocolate or candy but she only takes a certain amount or stops because she knows to much isnt good.

On a side note, I avoided these "fat" threads. While I dont think name calling or being mean to "fat" folks (pretty much anyone) I dont know if I''m cool with acceptance of it. What bothers me is how some overweight folks want sympathy. While I do understand that there is effort and work, etc to change ones lifestyle and eating habits and that its hard. They should be grateful that the ability to change is in their control for the most part.

What I mean is, I have been dealing with an auto immune issue for many years. I have scars, lessons, bumps, active wound on many parts of my body and face. I obviously look "different". I take quite abit of medication for pain and to suppress my immune system. Ive had radiation therapy and tried other treatments. My point is, being fat is something you can change (for the most part)

How would you deal with something physical that wasnt so easy to change? People need abit more perspective & gratitude in my opinion. I also feel we should value and treat our bodies better as a whole. Your body is key piece of the life you have. To some degree I feel not taking care of your body is not giving your life the full respect it deserves.
 

Mesoian

Member
Yo, whatever happened to children's sports? Do they just not do that anymore? When I was a kid, I played baseball in the spring, basketball in the summer and winter and football in the fall. There was never a point where I didn't have some sort of organized sport to play. It gave me a place to put my energy, and made sure I was never just sitting on my ass.
 
A. I find it offensive to equate "fat" with real hate speech that isn't tied to life choices.
B. Fat is a descriptor. People are fat. Its not a hateful term in a vacuum- its a reality.
C. Humans will rationalize their shitty life choices to no end- sometimes it takes harsh realizations to change up one's lifestyle.

This is how the whole fat acceptance discussion started in the first place.
 

8byte

Banned
Feed your kids clean food and they'll thank you. They also won't have to worry about anxiety or copious amounts of physical activity to be healthy.

Sorry, but parents should be mad at themselves for their children's heart ache. Don't put your kids in an awful position by being lazy parents, and then get upset when schools try to teach nutrition and health.

Sure the perception if what is "fat" needs to change, but as a parent you can teach your kids this, and educate them to be strong, confident, and healthy.
 
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