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My plan for getting rich

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GDJustin

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Like many other young folks entering their career field, I'm going to be looking to buy a house within the next few years. Actually, I'll be looking to buy one as soon as I get a fulltime job. Interest rates are so low and my credit rating is so good (its better than both my parents and almost any other adult I know, randomly), that I don't really need to save up before getting one.

BUT

Instead of buying a house and then moving, I'm going to excersize a LOT of self control and patience, and I'm going to rent it out. I'm going to own a home, but keep living in this trailer.

I did the research. The mortgage payments would be about $800/month on a $120,000 home. 120K isn't too nice, but it isn't crappy. In a normal neighborhood that would be two bedrooms on the main level and a finished basement, approx. But, that same amount of house RENTS for about $1000/month.

So, you're essentially gaining $200 a month and getting a house (and more importantly all the equity in it) for free.

You put $10,000 down, so you owe $110K. Next year you owe $109, and the house is worth 124, or so. Next year you owe 108, and its worth 128. Next year you owe 107, and its worth 132. So after three years you have $15,000 worth of equity in a home while putting $0 into it yourself.

You can then draw on that $15K to get a home equity loan for that amount. Then you put that money down as a down payment on two more 120K houses, and start the process over again with both of them.

It would literally take like 10 years to have five houses with at least $30,000 in equity in each. So that means instead of drawing loans for 15K or 20K and buying a house or two, you can draw loans for fucking $150,000, as a downpayment on a 24plex small apartment building, or a commercial venture, or something.

and after that its all gravy

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Yes, I know it isn't as simple as all that. You won't have renters all twelve months of the year, so you need to plan on making the payments yourself at least three months of the year, for one. That's why I'm not going to be doing this until I have a fulltime job. Since someone else will rent the house and I live in the trailer, I'll have a couple thousand dollars a month to just throw in the bank to buffer me against the possibility of having to make those payments myself for a while.

You also build that contingency into the rent. If the payment is 800 a month but they pay you 1000 a month rent, that means you're already "safe" to pay for three months' mortgages yourself, should you have to.

There's also house upkeep, possibly replacing the kitches or appliances or whatever. Again, since my OWN fulltime money isn't going towards a home, that frees up some of my money to keep the first house and the following ones rentable, until the ball picks up steam.
 
That's actually really clever. So you came up with that? It sounds like it came out of some teenage comedy or something.
 
we've all thought of that before..but you have lots of other costs besides just the morgage when it comes to being a landlord.
 
btrboyev said:
we've all thought of that before..but you have lots of other costs besides just the morgage when it comes to being a landlord.

I live in this trailer free and clear with my significant other. That means my TOTAL living expenses, including food, gas, utilities, is literally $500/month. That's everything.

When I have a fulltime job I hopefully won't be making a penny less than $24,000.

I know everyone (or most everyone) has that thought. Just don't don't act on it because they're impatient and wanna use their money to improve their standard of living NOW, instead of using that money to ensure a vastly superior standard of living later.
 
don't forget property taxes. Those will in a lot of cases easily wipe out the differential in mortgage payments / rent per month (i.e. run you upwards of 2500+ easily). There are lots of little costs you need to take into account in regards to home ownership. On the plus side, filing as a homeowner with a mortgage can frequently reduce your federal taxes by a lot. There's a lot more to it than what you're saying, though.
 
That's how many people start in realestate - slowly you add some more houses until you've got the equity to purchase a small apartment complex ... then it's only up from there.

I'm actually considering the purchase, or contracting the construction, of a double to start off. I'll live in one half and rent out the other. We'll see what happens down the road. I'm hoping to eventually generate enough cash flow that I can live confortably without working - and this happening well before my expected retirement age. Time is our most important gift, being able to do the things I like without wasting away in this 9 to 5 crap is my goal.

I figure even if I can't reach the point of true financial independence, at least I'll have some extra cash coming in. Win-win in my book.
 
I hope you're not enacting that plan in So Cal... when this housing bubble pops, this place is going south, even more than it already is.
 
as a new home owner myself, i can tell you... taxes and insurance will make you bow down and beg for mercy. our payment went through the roof recently because of it.
 
Taxes were I live are pretty bad, but fortunately housing is quite cheap. I make a decent amount relative to the cost-of-living, and if my girl can get a job in the area once she graduates - we'll be doing pretty good.
 
a lot of the things that make home ownership worth it like writing off taxes only works on your primary residence, not 'rentals'.
 
Some really great tax benefits are available if you incorporate and you, your spouse, or a partner are a realtor.
 
And repairs can kill you if they trash your house. I suggest picking some books about buying and renting. This $200 after mortgage is not going to cut it.
 
You should consider hiring a management company to enforce contracts with tenants.

Good luck. The advice I always give on these matters is to only make the investment if you can afford (financially as well as emotionally) to lose the money.
 
Good points.

I'm going to start off slowly, but if the potential is there I'll try to expand. If it works out, one should definitely consider a manager or management team as cashflow allows.



That also leads to another potential business. If your area appears to be saturated with people trying this very venture, consider starting a small management business.
 
sounds good but it seems like you would be banking on all your houses doing well. If one went bad.... but then rich people never get rich without risking something.
 
Really this is a pretty standard 'get rich quick' scheme and in a positive housing market it's very realistic, but really for a first time home owner and landlord, you'd probably do better to buy a duplex or otherwise subletable house instead of living apart from your property. This lets you make a smaller down payment (banks may want higher down payment for rental property -- here they want 25% instead of 5%) and there are the above mentioned tax benefits of living in the property you own. In addition, your proximity makes problems easier to deal with and you can actually keep an eye on your tenants.
 
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I think you'd make more money getting a $400/mo efficiency apartment and investing that extra $400 each month into mutual fund, IRAs, and 401k.

You also don't have to pay for home repairs, lawn care, and all that other stuff with an apartment.
 
Not a bad plan. Just you need to really do your homework before jumping into this. This could ruin your life, if you blow it. That is the reality of it. My cousin just starting doing something like this... but it is more like the daytrading of real estate...
 
Ned Flanders said:
Well, that certainly tops my "prostitution and lotto tickets" idea..


What are these prostitution lotto tickets you speak of?

Do you get a scratch card, and if you get three matching symbols, you win that trick?

eg, three fists, win a hand job etc..
 
If you are planning on buying a $120,000 house and renting it out, why not think about buying a similarly-priced condo that is part of a whole housing complex?

Basically - if you are buying property in order to rent it out - you want something that will be attractive to renters. Think about it - most people who rent tend to do so either because they can't afford to buy and/or because they don't want to make the investment to buy because of their job or lifestyle. If you buy a three bedroom house in a suburban neighborhood, there probably isn't going to be a huge demand for renters. But - if you get a condo in a relatively nice complex - that is located near things like public transportation, malls, and bars/restaurants, there are naturally going to be young professionals in the area who may be interested in renting a place in this area.
 
It's certainly a viable strategy but it's a lot more work than it seems and you have to be careful of the tenant laws where you live.
 
Bluecondor said:
Basically - if you are buying property in order to rent it out - you want something that will be attractive to renters. Think about it - most people who rent tend to do so either because they can't afford to buy and/or because they don't want to make the investment to buy because of their job or lifestyle. If you buy a three bedroom house in a suburban neighborhood, there probably isn't going to be a huge demand for renters. But - if you get a condo in a relatively nice complex - that is located near things like public transportation, malls, and bars/restaurants, there are naturally going to be young professionals in the area who may be interested in renting a place in this area.

I agree. Renting out a house and not living in it is not a good idea. This attracts the weirdest people because they have the security and privacy of a house and they know that they can mess with it because it is not theirs. This is pretty much what grow operators and organized crime look for.
 
Another thing to consider is that while interest rates are relatively low NOW, they've been going on and look to be going up for the foreseeable future. In America, now is not a good time to do any risky financial ventures.
 
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