NASA astronauts to fly Orion spacecraft into deep space

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NASA astronauts to fly Orion spacecraft into deep space
Space agency bases new spacecraft on designs for planned moon craft

NASA on Tuesday announced a plan to build a spacecraft that will fly astronauts into deep space, taking them as far as near asteroids and even Mars.


The new spacecraft, called the Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle, will be based on an earlier concept for the Orion vehicle, a spacecraft originally intended to ferry astronauts to the moon, the space agency announced during a press conference. The new spacecraft, which will be built by Lockheed Martin, will be designed to carry four astronauts on 21-day missions.

Douglas Cooke, NASA's associate administrator for exploration, said the agency plans to send the deep space vehicle to near asteroids and then to Mars.

"We are committed to human exploration beyond low-Earth orbit and look forward to developing the next generation of systems to take us there," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. "As we aggressively continue our work on a heavy-lift launch vehicle, we are moving forward with an existing contract to keep development of our new crew vehicle on track."

Designed to be 10 times safer during liftoff and re-entry than its NASA predecessor, the space shuttle, the new spacecraft will have 316 cubic feet of habitable space. It also is expected to be able to land in the Pacific Ocean off the California coast.

Though Orion was born of a canceled moon mission, it seems to have several lives still to live.

Orion was first conceived as part of NASA's Constellation program, which was geared to return astronauts to the moon by 2020. However, last year the Obama administration scrapped the overbudget and behind-schedule Constellation program, deciding instead to focus on sending astronauts to Mars and farther into the solar system.

The Obama administration wants to turn NASA's attention to developing new engines, in-space fuel depots and robots that can venture out into space.

In March, Lockheed Martin announced that it was developing a version of the Orion crew capsule for use as an emergency escape craft for astronauts aboard the International Space Station.

Once NASA retires the last of the space shuttle fleet this year, Orion may take on an important role in giving the space agency the ability to safely evacuate astronauts from the space station.

Initially designed to ferry astronauts to the moon, Orion will be transformed into a vehicle that will carry astronauts into deep space, the area outside the Earth's orbit.

"We made this choice based on progress that's already been made," Cooke said. "We looked at alternatives to some system designs that we're seeing in various proposals, looking for any advantages to this design. And we confirmed that the design and approach we've got is really the best."
 
I wouldn't exactly call Mars "deep space."

It's an even worse comparison than saying your next door neighbor is across the country.
 
I doubt that. With the cancelation of Vision for Space Exploration project and the massive budget cuts, i don't see NASA sending manned ships further than the ISS
 
GaimeGuy said:
I wouldn't exactly call Mars "deep space."

It's an even worse comparison than saying your next door neighbor is across the country.

Well when you've only ever been to across the street, across the town seems very very far.
 
shuyin_ said:
I doubt that. With the cancelation of Vision for Space Exploration project and the massive budget cuts, i don't see NASA sending manned ships further than the ISS

Agreed, doubt they'll be sending anyone to Mars on these things.
 
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
I'd be willing to accept a one way ticket to Mars.
same. i'd sign up for that without hesitation.

glad to hear this. one step closer to a manned mission to mars.
 
deep space is a bit of hyperbole I think. anyway, replacement to the shuttles? that's where I want my tax money to do (among other things. if I payed taxes)
 
Antagon said:
4 people, 21 days in 316 cubic feet of space.

Damn.
About the size of a Ford Explorer.

Holy fuck the thought of that is terrifying, even if I could sign up for a one-way ticket to Mars I'd never pass a psych eval if that was going to be a part of it.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Only 21 days to reach Mars? That's pretty fast no?

there was a news story some time ago (like last year or something) that NASA was developing new engines that could do just that. looks like we shall see the fruits of their labor soon
 
shuyin_ said:
I doubt that. With the cancelation of Vision for Space Exploration project and the massive budget cuts, i don't see NASA sending manned ships further than the ISS
I'd be more worried about internal issues with the US at the moment. If anything, China or the ESA will be the first ones with inter-planetary travel providing they find valuable resources elsewhere. India could join them after they were scoping out the Moon with probes for helium-3 awhile ago.

teruterubozu said:
One of many cool NASA ideas that will be scrapped.
Considering the original Orion idea was practically scrapped....

Antagon said:
4 people, 21 days in 316 cubic feet of space.

Damn.
Imagine the predicament for the cosmonauts in the ISS - with the added fact that there is no real sense of emergency aircraft if things go sour.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Only 21 days to reach Mars? That's pretty fast no?
http://www.universetoday.com/85917/nasas-next-crew-vehicle-will-be-based-on-orion/
A 21-day mission might get astronauts to a nearby asteroid, but there would not be enough time for a longer-duration, far-away asteroid mission and certainly not to Mars. It would get you to the Moon, allowing astronauts to stay a couple weeks and then return home, which was what Constellation was going to do in its first stages.

UPDATE: During a press conference today, Doug Cooke, associate administrator for NASA’s Exploration Systems Mission Directorate said that the approach on the MPCV vehicle is that it primarily will be for launch and entry with in-space capabilities for only certain periods of time. “For long term missions, we would assume that we have an in-space habitation in a larger compartment or module since the crew would need more space for longer periods of time. So whether they are going to lunar orbit or near earth asteroids, this vehicle would be maintained in a dormant mode while the crew would be in another volume that would be capable of longer term use, but this vehicle would be used as launching to a larger volume, or for reentry.”
 
Fucking NASA, think up some new names.

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Mars is what we consider deep space now. Sounds like PR designed to try and change the perspective of what deep space is in the mind of the reader.
 
DoctorWho said:
Mars is what we consider deep space now. Sounds like PR designed to try and change the perspective of what deep space is in the mind of the reader.

Did you hear? Chocolate rations are up 25 grams this week!
 
GaimeGuy said:
I wouldn't exactly call Mars "deep space."

It's an even worse comparison than saying your next door neighbor is across the country.
Considering that it's incredible unlikely that the human race will ever leave the solar system, I think it's okay
 
Kinyou said:
Considering that it's incredible unlikely that the human race will ever leave the solar system, I think it's okay

I want to believe you're wrong. Considering human development in the last hundred years, I believe it may take around another 200-300 years to realize extra-solar travel though. At this rate anyways.
 
DoctorWho said:
I want to believe you're wrong. Considering human development in the last hundred years, I believe it may take around another 200-300 years to realize extra-solar travel though. At this rate anyways.


Well we made it through the cold war unscathed, the next and greatest challenge will be to deal with the emergence of posthuman intelligences, particularly strong artificial intelligence. This is something we're going to have to deal with in our lifetimes, although we may be quite old before it happens depending on how Moore's law holds up.

Surviving this, at least someone will have the capability to travel to distant stars with regularity. Whether that's an A.I., a human dictator or a posthuman swarm intelligence is basically up in the air, but somebody will.
 
I pretty much given up on NASA doing anything other than fooling around in LEO. It's not completely their fault. Their budget is inadequate to do stuff beyond LEO, and it doesn't help that their budget is usually low priority and is one of the first ones cut when the government needs to tighten its belt. Another huge problem is that whenever they finally do get a directive, they have to throw it out when a new president gets into office. Lastly, many politicians only see NASA as a jobs provider. Congress force NASA to keep funding projects with contractors that should have been canceled long ago just to keep jobs in their district.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
Well we made it through the cold war unscathed, the next and greatest challenge will be to deal with the emergence of posthuman intelligences, particularly strong artificial intelligence. This is something we're going to have to deal with in our lifetimes, although we may be quite old before it happens depending on how Moore's law holds up.

Surviving this, at least someone will have the capability to travel to distant stars with regularity. Whether that's an A.I., a human dictator or a posthuman swarm intelligence is basically up in the air, but somebody will.
You sound like Razy Kurzweil. Crazy :D
 
Obligatory 'Get ur ass to Mars' post.

I wonder what will be bigger in the next 100 years? Humans getting out of the solar system or landing on another planet? I start to imagine the progress we can make. I would say we could get to another planet but some feasible attempt to travel outside the solar system would be huge.
 
Averon said:
I pretty much given up on NASA doing anything other than fooling around in LEO. It's not completely their fault. Their budget is inadequate to do stuff beyond LEO, and it doesn't help that their budget is usually low priority and is one of the first ones cut when the government needs to tighten its belt. Another huge problem is that whenever they finally do get a directive, they have to throw it out when a new president gets into office. Lastly, many politicians only see NASA as a jobs provider. Congress force NASA to keep funding projects with contractors that should have been canceled long ago just to keep jobs in their district.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o

I guess the guys dicking on the whole deep-space wording are glass half-empty guys. Given our current technological state, putting people on another planet within our solar system seems pretty cool and a good step forward for science to me.

P.S. Anyone even remotely in science/physics should be exposed the awesomeness of Neil Degrasse Tyson. Just check his vids on YT. IF you're feeling patient, there are fair few ful body (about 1.5hr) vids of him giving talks/Q&A.
 
DoctorWho said:
I want to believe you're wrong. Considering human development in the last hundred years, I believe it may take around another 200-300 years to realize extra-solar travel though. At this rate anyways.

nah. why bother?

Outside of the solar system - by whatever definition you choose - there is fuck all of interest. If you can only just leave it, then the only reason to do so is to say you can. No practical benefit I can think of. The only reason to go any further than any of the planets is if you can get to the next system, and that isn't going to be possible without some random huge jump in technology and people willing to live their entire lives on a ship.
 
DoctorWho said:
I want to believe you're wrong. Considering human development in the last hundred years, I believe it may take around another 200-300 years to realize extra-solar travel though. At this rate anyways.
Many people don't know even just how big the solar system really is.
The models of our solar system we see in school books are mostly portrayed in the wrong scale(either in size of the Planets or the orbits). Actually the only appropriate model I can think off that fits in scale of the Planets and orbits is in the German "Hagen".

While the sun is placed in the center of the town, are the outer planets like Uranus or Neptun reaching out until the suburbs. And this model's scale is only 1: 1 billion
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And even after we had passed Pluto there would be still an incredible long way to go until we're out of the Oort cloud.

But I guess you should never say never. A hundred years ago scientist would've thought that it's absolutely impossible to travel from europe to america in less than half a day
 
DoctorWho said:
I want to believe you're wrong. Considering human development in the last hundred years, I believe it may take around another 200-300 years to realize extra-solar travel though. At this rate anyways.

Generational trips to the nearest star systems will be possible in the future, once we find an engine to take us there.

But anything beyond low earth orbit and the moon I would consider deep space, simply because humans haven't travelled there.
 
Deku said:
Generational trips to the nearest star systems will be possible in the future, once we find an engine to take us there.

But anything beyond low earth orbit and the moon I would consider deep space, simply because humans haven't travelled there.
Barnards Star in 50 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
Designed in the 70's. Not exactly feasible with technology of the time, but if they can design that for an unmanned 50 year trip 40 years ago, they can surely do some cool unmanned shit now if the will was there.
 
Definitely agree with the idea that it will eventually be scrapped. This wouldn't even be the most important piece of tech out there, Kepler should be the focus for NASA.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Deep space?

How lame are we...jesus. It's mars.
to date we haven't sent a man further than the moon. mars is orders of magnitude further than the moon, so yeah... by our current precedent, it's deep space.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Only 21 days to reach Mars? That's pretty fast no?

Much faster than realistically possible, yes.

In reality, it's more like 9 months to Mars, and even that's only possible every 2 years or so. Unless you want to spend a LOT of fuel, which of course makes the launch even more expensive and difficult, etc.

That said, we should absolutely focus on sending humans to Mars. I'd take the one-way trip if I had to.
 
A 21-day trip to Mars would require some sort of revolutionary (likely nuclear driven) propulsion system that doesn't exist. The best we have is VASMIR, which could theoretically get us to Mars in 3-4 months instead of 7-9 months.
 
Dead Man said:
Barnards Star in 50 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
Designed in the 70's. Not exactly feasible with technology of the time, but if they can design that for an unmanned 50 year trip 40 years ago, they can surely do some cool unmanned shit now if the will was there.

Thinking about it gets me excited granted I am unlikely to see any of it.

We'd have to do an apollo style program where we, over a few hundred years, send robot explorers to chart the route we plan to take.

Then finally the explorers leave.
 
Deku said:
Thinking about it gets me excited granted I am unlikely to see any of it.

We'd have to do an apollo style program where we, over a few hundred years, send robot explorers to chart the route we plan to take.

Then finally the explorers leave.
Yeah, makes me excited and sad at the same time.
 
Kinyou said:
Considering that it's incredible unlikely that the human race will ever leave the solar system, I think it's okay

So.. so.. we will never see anything like Star Trek become reality? :(
 
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