Need HDTV advice *kleegamefan*

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I was hoping maybe you could give some advice on HDTV problem I am having. I currently own 2 year old version of this TV: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony.../sem/rpsm/oid/93015/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do. I went with this TV because I wasn't a big fan of projection TVs and didn't plan on doing anything else but gaming on it. Since then I have gotten Comcast HD and I am little disappointed with the amount of screen I lose on HD programs. Recently I was in Circuit City and saw 2 LCD Projection TVs that I liked and were in my price range: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pana.../sem/rpsm/oid/96213/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do and http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony...sem/rpsm/oid/100655/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do. Both TVs impressed me with the picture quality and size. Now I really can't afford much more then these 2 in price or size. Also, I don't like the DLP sets from Samsung because one of my friends has the 46 inch model and the colors on it are always off. So I have 2 question for you:

Question 1> Is now the right time to buy a 2nd HDTV. Being that I already have one. Will there be any major advancements in technology for Xbox 2 and PS3 like 1080p or in price cuts in that I should wait a little longer to buy another set?

Question 2> If now is the right time to buy another HDTV, what are your feelings on the 2 models I am looking at and maybe you have another model I should maybe look at?

If you could answer those 2 questions I would be very happy to read your opinion.

Thanks
 
Wait untill after the holidays. Better yet you could get the philips 55pl9774/17 for the same price of the models you are looking at now. The tv is beautiful when it comes to showing sdtv and hdtv is fantastic. I would buy out of state so you won't pay any taxes. Of course am assuming your in New York City which the taxes alone would run you a pretty penny.
 
No need to wait if you're itching for one now. If you're looking for image quality, nothing, and I mean nothing, beats a direct-view (tube) set. Plus, unlike conventional projection sets, you won't have to worry much about image burn-in. Here are two of my favorites:

the Sony KD-34XBR960 34" TV

and the Panasonic CT-34WX54 34" TV

Videophiles might call me insane, but I actually prefer the image quality of the Panny over the Sony XBR for games (more vibrant colors, tube seems a bit overdriven, fine by me :D ), but these sets will only set you back about $1000-1800-ish. Forget 1080p for now, it looks like it's a long way off as most broadcasters/networks have already said they're not interested in the near-term. A decent article on it here if you're interested.

If you want a bigger picture (i.e. projection) you're going to have to do DLP or LCoS for gaming due to the burn-in factor associated with standard CRT projection sets. You'll probably spend more money if you go DLP (vs. direct-view) and you'll definitely spend a lot more for an LCoS set, though they can be gorgeous.

Plasma and LCD are another option, at the risk of oversimplification I think you have to pay too much to get a great-quality plasma picture, and you still have to worry about burn-in. LCD is getting a lot better but doesn't quite cut it when it comes to speed or image quality. In a few years this may be different according to some of the stuff I've read...

Other technologies like OLED and some even more exotic stuff are still far enough away from mass-production and realistic price points to worry about for now.

BTW almost no tube sets do 720p natively; don't worry about it. Any of these sets'll upconvert a 720p to 1080i, and it looks just fine. Plus, DLP (projection sets) sets don't do 1080i pictures natively, and lemme tell you, INHD or Discovery HD Theater look frickin' jaw-dropping in native 1080i. My friends with their 10k plasma and 5k LCoS sets still like the picture on my 34" tube better in 1080i, even if it is a lot smaller. IMO it's an OK trade-off. You just gotta decide what's important to you, size vs. image quality, and how fat your wallet is. :D
 
Good advice Inumaru, but I wouldn't be so quick to discount projection sets. The picture quality is superb (not as good as CRT though) and they are cheap. Burn-in is not a problem. It is a sales gimmick. Any sensible person with an ounce of responsibilty will never have to worry about burn-in. The key is to set your contrast from torch mode (factory default) to NTSC standards.

IMO, a projection set is the best "stop gap" set you can buy right now. It will last until one of the other technologies that klee spouts about makes it to the market.
 
I also agree that the direct-view HDTV sets are the way to go if you're going to do a lot of gaming on it. Brightness and viewing angles (good for multiplayer) will always be the better than DLP or anything else, and you'll never have to replace any bulbs or worry about burn in or dead pixels. You'll get way more bang for your buck.

Nothing wrong with Panny's. ;) Sony's are good, of course, but I personally own a direct-view Samsung HDTV that I do most of my gaming on.
 
If you did get a new TV make sure it has HDMI (true digital transfer) built in. And DLP is the way to go if you want a big mother fucking HDTV. But honestly i'm waiting till graphics cards and media players start making use of HDMI before i buy a tv.
 
It's always amazing how LCD Projection gets overlooked which is better tech for existing games over DLP. A lot of the good DLP sets out there are prone to lag with 480i usage with games as well as DLP tends not to look as good on standard definition sources.
 
I can vouch for the Panasonic (my main gaming TV):

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I like it a lot...no noticable lag, lots of inputs (4 component, 3 S-video/composite, 1 HDMI, 1 VGA), good value, looks great =)
 
I was in the same position this summer, having to choose a television after having problems with my 40" WEGA XBR. Here are the problems that I had with my big CRT TV:

- Big geometry problems, took me a while to adjust it via the service menu to find it acceptable.

- The magnetic field was off, I had to put some magnets on the side of my television, since there was color spots on the corners appearing without them.

- It's fuckin' heavy, it took 3 men to lift it.

After looking at all the affordable technologies out there, between LCD, DLP and LCOS, I decided to go with this LCD Hitachi projection: http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/lcd/lcd/60V710.shtml

There's also a 42" model which came out this fall: http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/lcd/lcd/42V710.shtml

The only LCOS that I know is the JVC one, which apparently has a great picture but the television seems rushed, missing a lot of options and it's an unproven technology at this time.

DLP, I almost went with the Samsung one, but after hearing about the headache problems and the rainbow effect, I opted to go against it. Most of the people around me here in the U.S. have DLPs, and I still prefer LCDs with its higher contrast, and the black levels are pretty much the same, but of course they aren't perfect.

Only after 2 weeks though, my LCD got a nasty green stuck pixel, got it exchanged and I don't think there's any problems so far. I saw some DLPs with stuck mirrors, so that's a problem that you might encounter with both technologies. Make sure to ask your store about their warranty.

Anyway, I'm extremely satisfied with my Hitachi, beautiful picture coming out of the set. The Sony is also a good one, but the Hitachi offers a better out-of-the-box picture and you can almost adjust everything from the menu. And it also saves your colors settings for each inputs, which the Sony lacks. And trust me, when you have multiple sources going into your television, from the cable box, DVD player and your videogames, this becomes really handy.

If you want some more infos on those sets, you should head up to the AVS Forum where you'll find pretty much all the answers you need for a new TV.
 
I have a 34" Toshiba Widescreen HDTV and I'm quite pleased with it.

Both widescreen, reliable (no burn-in problems), high quality (crt is much crisper than projection and plasma from what I could tell) and cheap.

Size, well it's definitely the worst feature of picking up a crt, but I have a small apartment (I live downtown), so it works nicely.
 
GamePnoy74 said:
I can vouch for the Panasonic (my main gaming TV):

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I like it a lot...no noticable lag, lots of inputs (4 component, 3 S-video/composite, 1 HDMI, 1 VGA), good value, looks great =)


What model Panny is that?
 
How much is CC offering for that Panny?

Fotoconnection has it for $1699

If Fotoconnection scares you, then you could just buy it from 'ol reliable (aka Onecall.com) for $1849

As far as the Sony Wega is concerned, you can get that one from onecall for $2249

or you could also get it from fotoconnection for $1799

Keep in mind, though, the Sony KDF42WE655 is an intergrated HDTV, that is, it has an internal ATSC tuner whereas the Panny does not this is the main reason the WE655 is more expensive....

I, for one, perfer TVs without intergrated tuners as you are locked into the quality (usually the lack therof) of the internal tuner.....a seprate set-top box is the way to go, IMO)


At any rate, a more direct competitor to the Panasonic PT43LC14 would be the Sony Wega KF42WE610 which costs $2099 @ Onecall and will run you around $1699 @ fotoconnection just like the Panny...

Now, you say you don't like Sammy DLPs but what most people don't know is there are quite a few different versions of DLP chips and light engines in various models of Sammy's DLPs all with various PQ performance(naturally)

Samsung makes it unnecessarily fucking confusing but it goes a little somethin' like dis'

HIT IT!!11

When viewing a Sammy DLP RPTV there are 2 things you should first look for and both of them reside in the model number.

TEH MOST IMPORTANT DATA
#1-the letters in the beggining of the model number (like HLN, HLP or HLN-W1)

TEH 2ND MOST IMPORTANT DATA
#2-also make sure you pay attention to the last 2 numbers in the model number (like 07,63, 65, 74, 85 or 97)

In 2003, we had the original HLN Sammy DLPs: seven models that came in five sizes-43", 46", 50", 56" and 61".(the first 2 numbers in the model number) They have identical electronics and inputs. They vary only in size, looks, and price. These all have the HD2 DLP chips before all the enhancements, have 1000:1 contrast ratio and a six segment, 9000RPM color wheel:)....so if you see this:

Samsung HLN617W

....you know you are looking at a 2003 model 7 series Samsung DLP TV that has a 61-inch diagonal Widescreen with the HD2 chip with no enhancements.....dig it?? :)

So then, in early 2004, Samsung started shipping the HLN-W series DLPs....these were in the same 5 sizes but the changes to the original HLN were:

A)completely new electronics

B)a new Remote control

C)all 3 component inputs accept 480i/p, 720p, 1080i

D)new version of firmware, which also allows you to select a video input label, not enter your own

The actual DLP chip and light engine in the HLN-W1s is the same as the original HLNs but if you see a Sammy TV with the model#

Samsung HLN507W1

(notice the 1 at the end) you will know it has the enhancements stated above......lost yet?....shit, we're just getting started :lol

If you are wondering what the last 2 numbers mean....well...that depends(yeah, I know...WTF?).....in some cases, its just cosmetics..the "7s" (HLN437, HLN507, and HLN617) have the Charcoal bezel( about 2"). The "65s"(HLN4365 and HLN5065) have the silver bezel and the "67s" (HLN467 and HLN567) have a brushed aluminum thin silver bezel, in other Tvs the numbers give you a clue as to the electronics inside(Tanus), in others both are true(65s) and in one case, niether is true!!!11......asleep yet?....if not, you will be after the HLP section :D

HLPs

Okeydokey....there are FOUR different models of HLPs (a 50 and 56 inch 85 series, a 56 and 46-inch 74 "Tanus" series, a 46, 50 and 61-inch 63 series PLUS a 56-inch "Tanus" version of the 63 series, just to fuck everyone up :lol) and these are the current 2005 models

Lastly we have the top-of the line 97 series in two sizes, the 56-inch HLP5697W and the 61-inch HLP6197W both of which are classified as early 2006 Samsung models....never mind the fact the REAL 2006 Sammys will arrive next summer and will be called HLXs :lol

These ELEVEN TVs are all HLPs...BUT.....[Singing] None of these HLPs are quite like the other[/Singing]

Finding out which HLP is/has what is a FUCKING NIGHTMARE but this is it in a nutshell:

HLP5085W and HLP5685W and the HLP5674W "Tanus" and HLP4674W "Tanus" feature-

upgraded HD2+ DLP chip (the best 720p chip TI offers currently)
3000:1 contrast
DarkChip2
Cinema Smooth Gen 4 Light Engine
HDMI input
Faroudja DCDi FLI2300(the best on the market, currently)
7 Segment color wheel(older versions of both TVs have the older 6 seg. wheel...don't ask me why)

Moving down to the four "63 series" TVs, the HLP6163W, the HLP5063W the HLP4663W AND the 56-inch HLP5663W "Tanus" have what the above 85's and 74s have...BUT they also have:

A 6 segment color wheel
HD3 DLP chip
"SmoothPicture™"

HD3 and Smoothpicture is a mini-saga in itself :lol

Basicly, HD3 is a HALF 720p chip!!!....let me explain..The DLP chip for the HD3 has an array of 640x720 diamond shaped(not square, like the HD1s, HD2s, HD2+s and the Matterhorns) micromirrors, which, in normal DLP chips each represent pixels (720 rows of mirrors in 1280 collums of mirrors) but here represent 1.5 pixels each (I can hear the collective WTF?? from here)

The 0.5 pixel is a second 'woblulation' (I am not making that up, its actually called that)mirror that shifts the horizontal pixels over every 1/120th of a sec(2 passes per frame) to create a 1280 pixel horizontal resolution on screen.

Hewlett-Packard press release about woblulation tech

Every micromirror on the DMD displays 2 pixels on screen There is some overlap of the pixels, giving HD3 sets a softer image than the HD2+ sets. The HD3 DMD's were developed by TI to provide a lower cost alternative for manufacturers to the HD2+ DMD. Smoothpicture is an interpolation algorithm designed to reduce artifacts introduced by the half resolution HD3

The top-of the line 56-inch HLP5697W and the 61-inch HLP6197W are due out any day now have the "1080p" xHD3 chip that really isn't 1080p....

The xHD3 is similar to HD3 in that it is half the resolution of 1080p (its actually 960x1080 pixels that are sampled @ 120HZ with 1/2 pixel shift via wobulation) and has SmoothPicture and the Darkchip3 chip (contrast enhancement)....so then, since the HD3 really isn't 720p and the xHD3 isn't really 1080p, they must be inferior to TRUE 1080p/720 techs like the JVC Dilas and Sony SXRDs, right???

Well....yes and no.....

I am not going to go into great detail, but just trust me when I say that although the HD3/xHD3 are slightly worse on TV and movies, they are better with games, internet, computer documents and anything else whose original content is based on digital square pixels and not analog picture samples (DVDs, TV shows, Movies)..at any rate, here are the xHD3 specs

1080p Resolution
7 Segment Color Wheel
3,000:1 Contrast Ratio
Built in ATSC Tuner
Cable Card Slot

I hope this answers some of your questions because I am tired now :lol
 
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

The Sony G90U (high-end CRT FPTV) offers the the best picture in the world and makes my dick hard just thinking about it!!! SPRONG1!!! :D

Unfortunatly, the $35K price tag make my ballz shrivel *whimper*
 
Dang KLee I should have contacted you about pricing...you find a bunch of discounted electronics places which practically hide under a rock =P Oh well I'm all good though (bought under retail =)
 
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Thats the one i've got, been 100% satisfied, just keep in mind that when the room is very dark, black colors will be more greyish, but contrast is still kickass and imo thats more important than blackness. This TV with a lamp behind the set for ambient light (like every suggested setup for a home theater) diminish the effect and i can safely say that in daylight, this tv kicks the SHIT out of CRT RPTV, not even comparable. The colors are very good, best i've seen for the price range when i was at the store, compared it to hitatchi, panasonic and samsung sets. Calibrated mine with DVE.
 
I have a deposit on a Sony KDS70XBR100 which should arrive in april.

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This is Sony's 2nd SXRD product

3-chip 1080p LCOS with Carl Zeiss light engine

70-inch diagonal widescreen

Dual HDMI ins (PS3 and XBOX2)

April can't come soon enough...this guy is going in the game room...I am still waiting for something to replace my Marantz VP12-S1 hanging on the ceiling in my HT room...

My plan is to then replace my Panny TH-50PX20U/P with a 60-inch (or so) Field Emission Display in a couple of years or so....
 
I've got the Australian version of the Sony Super Fine pitch tube CRT. OMG :D

Best display i've seen here. Wife bought it for me but she wanted a plasma. She could tell the difference in resolution and PQ between a high end plasma and the CRT.

BTW the other tv is a SIM2 hd800 FP CRT. Look it up if u must. That will tell u everything about my awe at the Super fine pitch tube
 
Kleegamefan said:
I have a deposit on a Sony KDS70XBR100 which should arrive in april.

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This is Sony's 2nd SXRD product

3-chip 1080p LCOS with Carl Zeiss light engine

70-inch diagonal widescreen

Dual HDMI ins (PS3 and XBOX2)

The big thing for me about this system (besides the screen size) is that it appears to have authentic 1920x1080 resolution support; no half assed conversion. But is it really going to retail for 10k US?

I wouldn't mind finding a smaller version, if they've got one.
 
They will have more SXRD models in 2005...I know this for a fact, though I can't tell you how I know :)

MSRP is 9 thou, though I will be getting it for about %30 less than this via my HT dealer....
 
I've got the new model 46" Samsung DLP about 2 months ago, and fucking LOVE IT. I'm not sure what the problem your friend is having with colors, but everything looks truly brilliant on it. Games, TV, Movies, etc. I mainly use it for games, but everything else is fantastic. I would suggest getting the Samsung DVD player that goes with it too to add to the lovefest you'll have with this thing.

Personally I prefer DLP over LCD, just because with LCD I can see the dots on screen.
 
Take a look at the philips lcos 55pl9774/17 and tell me you see the dot on screen. The set looks gorgeous with standard television and when viewing high definition to die for.
 
KLee, do you know if the Panny DVD-S97S is worth the $300 to watch DVDs via HDMI? Is there a significant improvement? I use my PSTwo for my DVDs nowadays since my old decidated DVD player doesn't have progressive scan =P

Or should I just chill for now and wait for HD-DVD/Blue-Ray players down the road?

Then again, if I get HDTV I'll have to either get a multi-HDMI source manager/switcher (which I imagine will not be cheap my any means) or put the DVD-S97S to component which kinda defeats the purpose of getting the player in the first place =P But with next-gen consoles and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray most likely using HDMI, a switch is inevitable I guess...

Anyways, just wondering, thanks for the info!

EDIT: Found an extend-It two-port HDMI swith for the great price of only: $249
Ouchie. Looks ugly too, don't fit in with that home theatre look at all.
 
GamePnoy74 said:
KLee, do you know if the Panny DVD-S97S is worth the $300 to watch DVDs via HDMI? Is there a significant improvement? I use my PSTwo for my DVDs nowadays since my old decidated DVD player doesn't have progressive scan =P
You're asking if using the HDMI port is worth it and you're using your PS2 for DVD playing? :lol

Anyways, just curious, what are the big advantages of going straight LCD versus projection LCD? I'm curious as I'm starting to get interested in buying an HDTV, and I honestly can't really tell the difference between the two. And it looks like projection LCD is the cheapest way to get into the market.
 
Nerevar said:
You're asking if using the HDMI port is worth it and you're using your PS2 for DVD playing? :lol

Whatevers man...that's why I'm asking about a potential upgrade. Didn't need/want progressive scan DVD before until I got the new HDTV anyways. What's the point of me having progressive scan back then if my old TV only had s-video/composite? My new PSTwo just happens to have progressive scan so I might as well use it as my primary DVD player for the time being on the new TV.

Also, since HDMI DVD players are about $300 while a decent regular progressive scan player starts at about $70 nowadays I'd like to know if it's worth the big price difference, and worth using the HDMI plug over HDTV broadcasts later on when I take the dive (unless I get an ugly, expensive switch that costs about the same as the HDMI player or an HDTV tuner).

Anyways, it seems like you don't even have an HDTV yourself (yet), and it also looks like you want to get into it on a budget too so why you want to criticize my setup? Handle your own business and find youself some home theatre setup you'll be happy with instead =P
 
I'm planning to buy a new TV around the time xbox2 comes out, in order to prepare for the next generation :) Guess I should start saving now, eh?
 
I'm very interested in getting a Sony KDF 50WE655, any info you can give me on this set?

DCX
 
Wow, I didn't think that many people would reply. Thanks for all your info. As far as CRT HDTVs go, I wanted to a TV in 40 inch range and a CRT HDTV in the 40 inch range is a little pricey for me but I do agree that CRT is the best picture quality, that is why I am keeping my 32 inch Sony as well. The TV I get can't be one of those huge projection sets that don't need a stand because my gaming room is in my basement and it would be impossible to get something that size down there. I am still deciding on which to get if any but at least I am more informed.
 
btw the Toshiba HDMI DVD player is nowhere near $300, you can get it on newegg for $179.99

now i just need a tv with hdmi....
 
I always like posting here and helping where I can...

I wan't all you guys to have AV systems that are the best they can be and while I understand most gamers are on a tiny budget, I still like to bring news about tech and products that I find to offer great bang for the buck and not just the most expensive toy...

KLee, do you know if the Panny DVD-S97S is worth the $300 to watch DVDs via HDMI? Is there a significant improvement? I use my PSTwo for my DVDs nowadays since my old decidated DVD player doesn't have progressive scan =P

Or should I just chill for now and wait for HD-DVD/Blue-Ray players down the road?

Yes and yes...viewing video via the HDMI out will look just as good as viewing video via a DVI out....that is to say, it will look better than any other video connection.....keep in mind that as you go up the chain (RF=>Composite=>Svideo=Y/Pb/Pr interlaced=>/Pb/Pr progressive=>DVI/HDMI) the increments of improvements become smaller and smaller....

Waiting is not an option for everbody (the "if you're always waiting for the next best thing, you'll never get anything" school of thinking) so if you are looking to get something now, the S97S or K is a great option......if you don't already have a reciever, I would pair the S97 to the awesomeSA-XR70 Digitally amplified 6.1 HDMI reciever which is the only available reciever with HDMI switching and was designed in conjuntion with the S97......regardless, its just a bitchin reciver product, IMO...

Of course that is just the here and now....by next year we will have HD-DVD and BRD, both of which will have content encoded in DTS-HD and Dolby Digital Plus and will be better served with the approprate decoders in the recievers (HD-DVD/BRD players will have decoders within, but doing the decoding in the reciever/processor is always the better way to go)

Just yesterday, I was at Dolby Labs and I will make a post about what I heard in just a couple of minutes :)

kleegamefan! A Q for you:

Is there such thing as a direct view CRT set over 30" diagonal that does 1280x720 natively?

Yeah...I would go with the Princeton AF3.0HD which is probably the best direct view TV in the world......It was designed by Joe Kane himself (bows down):

http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/princeton/
 
KLee, thanks for the S-97S info (as well as all the other HT info you provide for all of us GAFFERs =), will definitely consider it as a new DVD player for me later on...that SA-XR70 sounds like a great receiver, but considering I live in an apartment complex even my old 2-channel micro audio system that I currently use is more than loud enough to disturb my neighbors, so I can't really go all out for a home theatre system right now =P

And yeah, that Sony TV you're planning to get looks insane...!
 
Klee...

How does one go about getting any of these sets in black or dark grey. I hate silver electronics. I find the brighter finish to be a distraction for display devices.

Are any of these sets avail in black?
 
Kleegamefan said:
Yeah...I would go with the Princeton AF3.0HD which is probably the best direct view TV in the world......It was designed by Joe Kane himself (bows down):

http://www.audiorevolution.com/equip/princeton/

Crapola.... I don't think they make it anymore. Can't find it anywhere on sale (not that I have the spare cash anyways but...).

Ever since my Halo 2 playtest on my friend's Sammy DLP, I no longer lust after DLPs. Some of those dark levels were downright unplayable. Couldn't see shit! I had a much better time with the game on my 480i NTSC 27" JVC (although it does have component inputs, which XBox is plugged into).
 
DaCocoBrova said:
Klee...

How does one go about getting any of these sets in black or dark grey. I hate silver electronics. I find the brighter finish to be a distraction for display devices.

Are any of these sets avail in black?


I'm not sure, but the side speakers are detachable, reducing the overall "silver" at least a bit.

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Yeah, most CE TV firms these days are on a Silver Kick....especially for their HDTV products....

I don't really know why that is :/
 
Wow great topic. i'm planning on getting a new tv in July 05. Do you know anything due around that time Klee that I should look at. I'm sure the new sets should have HDMI and 1080p at that time. I pretty much want the best that I can get but not spend over 2500. I think I'll probably end up going the projection route unless I can be otherwise convinced. Not so sure on LCD.

Do I need a tuner at all. I thought if I got digital cable or satellite that it would take care of that for me.
 
GamePnoy74 said:
I can vouch for the Panasonic (my main gaming TV):

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I like it a lot...no noticable lag, lots of inputs (4 component, 3 S-video/composite, 1 HDMI, 1 VGA), good value, looks great =)

Is your DC hooked up through VGA? Does it auto stretch non 16:9 games?
 
levious said:
Is your DC hooked up through VGA? Does it auto stretch non 16:9 games?
Yup the DC is hooked up via VGA, but doesn't auto stretch to 16:9 (my XBox doesn't auto stretch via component too). DC 3rd Strike looks good on VGA on my TV but I think PS2 3rd Strike looks better via component, IMHO. DC Soul Calibur looks really great on VGA though =)
 
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