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Neo-Nazis will march on Yom Kippur in Sweden

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Oersted

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They have dubbed the event "Revolt against the traitors".

The event will be a rally against "the politicians in the Swedish parliament as well as the European Parliament" who "have flung our nation's borders wide open to an unprecedented invasion", the NRM said in a statement, referring to the country's acceptance of refugees and migrants fleeing war and economic devastation in recent years.

The statement added, "Today's politicians and journalists are nothing short of robbers and traitors!"
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Police have changed the NRM's planned route, prompting the group to hold a flash demonstration in Gothenburg on Sunday, with some 60 demonstrators marching through the city centre.
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In a video posted on the NRM's YouTube channel, the demonstrators waved flags and chanted against immigration. When angry passers-by confronted them, an NRM protester threw a woman to the pavement.

Although the NRM has been active for two decades, Snecker said the group is attempting to capitalise on the rise of the far-right Sweden Democrats Party, which has 49 seats in the national legislature, and the wave of far-right populism that has hit parts of Europe and the US in recent years.
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The NRM was founded as the Swedish Resistance Movement in 1997 by Klas Lund, who has previously spent time in prison for bank robbery and manslaughter for the 1986 killing of an anti-racist organiser who intervened to stop the harassment of migrants.
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The March will pass by a synagogue. Their last big demonstration was in celebration of Trump's victory.

More here

http://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indept...prepare-yom-kippur-march-170918162349172.html

Lock if old
 
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Oersted

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Jokab said:
Yesterday they were redirected to not pass by the synagogue by the police. However, they also say they will ignore that direction and keep going as planned. We'll see what happens.
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Thank you, article lacked the update covering that
 
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The Living Tribunal

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The NRM was founded as the Swedish Resistance Movement in 1997 by Klas Lund, who has previously spent time in prison for bank robbery and manslaughter for the 1986 killing of an anti-racist organiser who intervened to stop the harassment of migrants.
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What the fuck? How is this piece of shit free?
 
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Paganmoon

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Add to that it's during the annual book fair in Gothenburg, one of the reasons NMR chose the date.

It was really strange that the Police OK:d the date, and time and route (which now has been shortened due to court order), as it was going past, and now stops at the football stadium, which an hour after the march is scheduled to kick off, meaning there'll be tons of people around the area. Now this is a second tier league game so no real hooligan problems there, but the home team have an open entrance (no ticket required) for this game, so there'll be more people than usual (around 6-7000 anticipated, as I mentioned, second tier game).

So you have tons of people in circulation around the area, some fucking Nazis and I'd wager five to tenfold the amount NMR gathers in counterprotestors. WTF where the police thinking?
 
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Nivash

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Made a thread about these asshats when they had a march in my hometown earlier this year:

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1365628&page=1

The Gothenburg police have been absolutely spineless about how they handled this, though. They weren't the ones who decided that the Nazis couldn't march by the synagogue - the courts had to basically overrule them and force their hand.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170925/sw...rom-marching-near-synagogue-on-jewish-holiday

And they decided to basically provide a police escort for an illegal march the NMR held a little over a week ago instead of, you know, calling in the riot squads like they should.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/göteborg/därför-demonstrerade-nmr-utan-tillstånd-1.4646188

Oh, and in more local news, these fuckers popped up in my hometown again last week. They tried to block the Pride Parade. Bit of positive news here though: they only gathered like 20 people and got pushed off by police (video in the link)

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/dalarna/nmr-forsokte-stora-prideparaden
 
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Oersted

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Loxley said:
Don't the Scandinavian countries have policies against literal life-long imprisonments? They're more about rehabilitation and giving people a second chance, at least that's been the impression I've gotten.
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And while I think that is the right way, it irks me that someone who (based on political motives) murdered a person, is allowed to run a violent Neo Nazi party
 
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Akuun

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The founder has literally murdered someone, and walked free soon enough to found a neo-nazi organization?

What the fuck?
 
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NoName999

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Oberon said:
Something tells me people who post stuff like this would probably not engage with a crowd of marching neo nazis
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Yeah you're right. I'm not exactly fond of getting lynched because I have dark skin.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Are you happy now? Couldn't just let people with a fantasy?
 
BenjiGAF

BenjiGAF

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Oberon said:
Something tells me people who post stuff like this would probably not engage with a crowd of marching neo nazis
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That's why it is always funny when i see it here. I always have to fight the urge to go Yeah bruh how many Nazis you punched recently? Or ever?
 
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MKIL65

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Chainsawkitten said:
Somehow, the people claiming immigrants are dangerous criminals tend to have a criminal past themselves. (See also lots of Sweden democrats.) It's almost as if they were projecting.
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In an ideal world, Klas Lund should have been deported for the crimes he had commited and continues to commit right now,

Why you ask? Because if an immigrant had commited the same crimes, they would serve time and then get deported.

But we don't live in an ideal world. So the immigrants faces the harsher punishment for... Whatever reason! While the nazis get cuddled.

NORDIC JUSTICE!!
 
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cromofo

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legacyzero said:
*Cracks Knuckles*
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woah-watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here.jpg
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L Thammy

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and yet pewdiepie didn't know that nazis existed until charlottesville

What legal barriers do Neo-Nazi groups face in Sweden? Is this like that German Neo-Nazi rock thing where they'll get arrested if they're too open about it?
 
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Royal_Phalanx

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There are also Sweden Democrats who have beat the shit out of someone with a pipe. Ironically if they were a non citizen they would be on a plane home after that.
 
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Stead Fast

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BenjiGAF said:
That's why it is always funny when i see it here. I always have to fight the urge to go Yeah bruh how many Nazis you punched recently? Or ever?
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Technically one... but splitting hairs.

Either way you don't know what someone would or wouldn't do given the level of ideological tensions against emboldened Nazism.

The posters could cower away at the first sign of physical confrontations, or they could knock them the fuck out.
 
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Sesha

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MKIL65 said:
In an ideal world, Klas Lund should have been deported for the crimes he had commited and continues to commit right now,

Why you ask? Because if an immigrant had commited the same crimes, they would serve time and then get deported.

But we don't live in an ideal world. So the immigrants faces the harsher punishment for... Whatever reason! While the nazis get cuddled.

NORDIC JUSTICE!!
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"Nordic justice" is fairer and more effective than "justice" pretty much everywhere else. Deporting a citizen for whatever reason is an absurd proposal.
 
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Budi

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Chainsawkitten said:
Somehow, the people claiming immigrants are dangerous criminals tend to have a criminal past themselves. (See also lots of Sweden democrats.) It's almost as if they were projecting.
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Yeah this seems to be true. Just like the group of dangerous clowns, "Soldiers of Odin". They say that immigrants are coming here to live on the welfare and hurt "our" women and commit crimes. While in truth, many of these members are unemployed themselves, alcohol/drug abusers, domestic abusers or otherwise violent inviduals. This is how it is atleast in Finland. Really makes one look quite a bit less noble. And even just naming yourself as Soldiers of Odin doesn't really make you seem like a peaceful and reasonable group.
 
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Aske

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Mr. Giggles said:
Perhaps we should engage them in polite conversation then
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I think physically shutting them down when they try to harass people by gathering in public to spread hatred is the way to go, although I'd always hope they'd be the ones to throw the first punch. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to the discussion of nonviolent approaches to extremist groups.

Polite conversation from people like us won't work; no arguments there. But one of the key factors in changing these peoples' hearts and minds is positive influence, just as negative influences created these mindsets in them in the first place.

The more people who vocally come out against not just racism, but the scapegoating and demonization of immigrants, anti-Semitism, the specific falsehoods and philosophies of neo-Nazis, etc; the more likely someone with an opinion some of these guys value will slip into their brains. I honestly believe waging an aggressive cultural war is the best way to quash support for hate groups in a holistic way.
 
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Ryuuroden

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MKIL65 said:
In an ideal world, Klas Lund should have been deported for the crimes he had commited and continues to commit right now,

Why you ask? Because if an immigrant had commited the same crimes, they would serve time and then get deported.

But we don't live in an ideal world. So the immigrants faces the harsher punishment for... Whatever reason! While the nazis get cuddled.

NORDIC JUSTICE!!
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How do you deport a citizen and to where....serious question.

EDIT: (You could be like America and extrajudicial drone strike them in a foreign country but I am pretty sure that would be appalling to you)
 
BenjiGAF

BenjiGAF

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Stead Fast said:
Technically one... but splitting hairs.

Either way you don't know what someone would or wouldn't do given the level of ideological tensions against emboldened Nazism.

The posters could cower away at the first sign of physical confrontations, or they could knock them the fuck out.
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Cool. You're right, I have absolutely no idea about how anyone but myself would react. The point of my post was essentially just agreeing with the other poster RE: actual Nazis punched relative to how much smack gets talked about it


I don't mean anyone any actual disrespect, just musing about an aspect of the community.
 
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Mr. Giggles

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Aske said:
I think physically shutting them down when they try to harass people by gathering in public to spread hatred is the way to go, although I'd always hope they'd be the ones to throw the first punch. But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to the discussion of nonviolent approaches to extremist groups.

Polite conversation from people like us won't work; no arguments there. But one of the key factors in changing these peoples' hearts and minds is positive influence, just as negative influences created these mindsets in them in the first place.

The more people who vocally come out against not just racism, but the scapegoating and demonization of immigrants, anti-Semitism, the specific falsehoods and philosophies of neo-Nazis, etc; the more likely someone with an opinion some of these guys value will slip into their brains. I honestly believe waging an aggressive cultural war is the best way to quash support for hate groups in a holistic way.
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Hmmmmmm you make a very good point. And yes a non-violent approach is always the best...but if they refuse to listen then can we maybe slap them in the face?

Slapping is not so bad right?
 
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wandering

Banned
MKIL65 said:
In an ideal world, Klas Lund should have been deported for the crimes he had commited and continues to commit right now,

Why you ask? Because if an immigrant had commited the same crimes, they would serve time and then get deported.

But we don't live in an ideal world. So the immigrants faces the harsher punishment for... Whatever reason! While the nazis get cuddled.

NORDIC JUSTICE!!
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That glorious Scandinavian socialist utopia.
 
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MKIL65

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Ryuuroden said:
How do you deport a citizen and to where....serious question.

EDIT: (You could be like America and extrajudicial drone strike them in a foreign country but I am pretty sure that would be appalling to you)
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If a turk or arab had commited manslaughter they would of course get deported to their respective countries of origin.

Even if they couldn't FUNCTION in those countries. Since they were born in Sweden, and lived there their whole life. It's a harsh punishment.

That SAME punishment wouldn't work on a natural born Swede. So yeah, they get a 2nd chance. And that's basically how it works.
 
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Valhelm

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randome said:
They're protesting against Jews because of Muslim migrants?
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Neo Nazis are insane and believe Jewish people control every developed country and are now trying to cause a white genocide. In this worldview, any perceived threat to white homogeneity is believed to be caused by Jews.

These people tend to also believe that progressive movements like feminism, trans rights, or socialism are all Jewish plots weaken the power of straight white men so they can more easily take control.
 
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Kill3r7

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Akuun said:
The founder has literally murdered someone, and walked free soon enough to found a neo-nazi organization?

What the fuck?
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You can't have it both ways. If you want prison reform and want to copy the Scandinavian model then this is one of the possible outcomes. In the grand scheme of things this represents a small number of individuals who fail to rehabilitate. Society is willing to put up with it because it is a net gain.
 
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Oersted

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Chainsawkitten said:
Somehow, the people claiming immigrants are dangerous criminals tend to have a criminal past themselves. (See also lots of Sweden democrats.) It's almost as if they were projecting.
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The founder of Pegida, a german nationalist, anti-Islam, far-right political movement, which "warns" people of the threat trough Islam and refugees, has a criminal record of sixteen burglaries, dealing cocaine and assault.
 
TheContact

TheContact

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Gross but as a Jewish person and an American I still believe in free speech as long as it’s not hate speech and there’s no violence.
 
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theaface

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TesUsa said:
Gross but as a Jewish person and an American I still believe in free speech as long as it's not hate speech and there's no violence.
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What do you think this group is about, exactly?

Do you think their intent to march by a synagogue on Yom Kippur is coincidence?
 
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ISOM

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TesUsa said:
Gross but as a Jewish person and an American I still believe in free speech as long as it’s not hate speech and there’s no violence.
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It's not in America so I don't know why you needed to include that and it's a hate group.
 
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