Mattlikewhoa
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Yes Boss! said:
That would be nice. It's funny to, the Canadian doller is doing well right now too so it's even cheaper for me to order one...
God why did I click that link?!
EDIT: who's got a spare $10 off coupon?!
NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread
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That would be nice. It's funny to, the Canadian doller is doing well right now too so it's even cheaper for me to order one...
God why did I click that link?!
EDIT: who's got a spare $10 off coupon?!
_dementia said:
Yeah, I mean, the build is really nice and the design is cool (though I hate that you need to have the plastic on for the hinge to work).
But man, those buttons... they're just awful. The stick is also a HUGE hindrance; mine couldn't even jump diagonally. Like, at all. And I know I wasn't the only one.
Good thing it only costs about $20 in iL parts to make it awesome.
sixteen-bit
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I'm a stick man, but I own both. The Saturn pad is alright and the Neo pad is absolutely amazing.elohel said:
I wish the Saturn pad didn't have the different sized face buttons. The idea to make half of them concave and half of them convex is equally perplexing.
Just be aware that apparently, the Neo Geo Pad 2 USBs are very scarce nowadays. It might be hard to find one.
CadetMahoney said:
almost finished one for a customer. I don't think anyone paint the gate and other matching parts such as the jlf harness. . . All I know is that pcb painting and gate painting color scheming was done by me for ages before anyone else on this and other sticks before.
If I see ppl imitating/copying going for the same idea on sites like SRK etc. from now on that's how I know. Not many times you can boast about being first when it comes to stick modding after all. heh.
What PCB and joystick is that? looks solderless.
The one with the notch is a Joytron Paewang Revolution PCB. Not sure about the board connected to the buttons. From a Mad Catz stick, maybe?Sanjay said:
My first Arcade Stick <3 I'm getting my ass kicked in ranked SSFIV but I'm having a lot of fun. I just need to get Marvel now. Paid 109 @ Gamestop. The manager of my local Gamestop had another Gamestop deliver my stick. It was opened of course and there was some gunk on the top of the stick. Also the little bracket that comes with the headphone adapter is cracked. Next time I go I'm gonna give him some shit. Other than that it's fucking amazing. I'm so glad I finally got one. Gonna put my own Cammy art on it soon
sixteen-bit
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Yay I love the TvC stick. What kind of tray is that?
sixteen-bit
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It can. Left analog control lets you navigate the wii menu with the stick lever too.Mercutio said:
CadetMahoney
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PCB is the PS360 one that comes with Datel Arcade Pro sticks so it's not solderless, unless you mean the JLF harness which was custom made and painted too.Sanjay said:
Stick is a standard JLF-TP-8YT with the gate painted:
Middle bit that touches the stick actuator can be removed / comes off. So no need to worry of any abrasive action on the paint. As I said before no ones painted the gate before, or the harness/pcb's/sockets in a complete colour scheme (surprising) but I expect alot of ppl to start copying now, since it's so simple with plasti-dip and vinyl dye.
Tashi0106 said:
My first Arcade Stick <3 I'm getting my ass kicked in ranked SSFIV but I'm having a lot of fun. I just need to get Marvel now. Paid 109 @ Gamestop. The manager of my local Gamestop had another Gamestop deliver my stick. It was opened of course and there was some gunk on the top of the stick. Also the little bracket that comes with the headphone adapter is cracked. Next time I go I'm gonna give him some shit. Other than that it's fucking amazing. I'm so glad I finally got one. Gonna put my own Cammy art on it soon
You having any problems getting accustomed to using a stick? I have the same stick (PS3 version) and it's my first and I'm having troubles getting used to it.
Every time I wanna play MK and practice with it, I get frustrated in minutes and just go back to the pad
I wanna get used to it but apparently the only way is more and more practice?Dashing is just so hard
Also, for the joystick, should I have the switch on DPAD or left analog stick? I've been using the DPAD setting
sixteen-bit
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Definitely be sure to leave it on d-pad when playing fighters.
TB,
That's the way JLF is. Stock condition -- large throw, very loose feel, hard to do dashes with... There are ways to mod the JLF but I've never felt any of these mods were within a zone of reason that would compel me to keep a JLF as a primary joystick controller. I eventually made the decision to switch to the Seimitsu line for my joystick needs.
... and Mortal Kombat has been notoriously difficult for as long as I can remember to do the Fatalities on, period. If your spacing and timing isn't EXACTLY right, the moves won't execute. I was able to do the majority of the Fatalities on an SNES pad back in the day after some practice but I can see with the latest games the old "try fifteen times at least" tradition is back. And no, I think the problems with MK go more to the heart of the game's programming and less to do with arcade gear in all honesty.
SF and most other fighting games are far more forgiving with inputs. It's hard to beat Capcom and SNK in those respects. Their game control laws have evolved to be the best among fighting games developers. Sega has decent controls on its fighters, too. That's an aspect of MK I've never cared for besides the fact that I've felt since the first game in the series that it was shallow and lacked depth. If you don't get used to the JLF in that TE case within the next two months -- assuming you put in the time to practice and play with it, you might want to consider a replacement joystick with a higher tension spring and reduced throw. A Seimitsu joystick -- the LS-32-01 or better yet LS-56-01 might be your best choices. If loosesness and dashing moves are your problems, you really don't want to use a joystick that's as loose or looser-feeling than the JLF; definitely nothing with less tension than an LS-32-01. The LS-56-01 has the tightest tension of the 5-wire harness Japanese joysticks out of the box.
Getting anything like an American-style joystick to work in a TE or Hori case is generally not worth the effort. Some plastic cutting, metal drilling, other work that will irrevocably alter the joystick case. Some people do it but you might as have well bought a PDP Mortal Kombat stick or MAS stick for that matter.
That's the way JLF is. Stock condition -- large throw, very loose feel, hard to do dashes with... There are ways to mod the JLF but I've never felt any of these mods were within a zone of reason that would compel me to keep a JLF as a primary joystick controller. I eventually made the decision to switch to the Seimitsu line for my joystick needs.
... and Mortal Kombat has been notoriously difficult for as long as I can remember to do the Fatalities on, period. If your spacing and timing isn't EXACTLY right, the moves won't execute. I was able to do the majority of the Fatalities on an SNES pad back in the day after some practice but I can see with the latest games the old "try fifteen times at least" tradition is back. And no, I think the problems with MK go more to the heart of the game's programming and less to do with arcade gear in all honesty.
SF and most other fighting games are far more forgiving with inputs. It's hard to beat Capcom and SNK in those respects. Their game control laws have evolved to be the best among fighting games developers. Sega has decent controls on its fighters, too. That's an aspect of MK I've never cared for besides the fact that I've felt since the first game in the series that it was shallow and lacked depth. If you don't get used to the JLF in that TE case within the next two months -- assuming you put in the time to practice and play with it, you might want to consider a replacement joystick with a higher tension spring and reduced throw. A Seimitsu joystick -- the LS-32-01 or better yet LS-56-01 might be your best choices. If loosesness and dashing moves are your problems, you really don't want to use a joystick that's as loose or looser-feeling than the JLF; definitely nothing with less tension than an LS-32-01. The LS-56-01 has the tightest tension of the 5-wire harness Japanese joysticks out of the box.
Getting anything like an American-style joystick to work in a TE or Hori case is generally not worth the effort. Some plastic cutting, metal drilling, other work that will irrevocably alter the joystick case. Some people do it but you might as have well bought a PDP Mortal Kombat stick or MAS stick for that matter.
notworksafe
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If you want extra tension in a JLF a double spring mod is super easy and cheap as well (23 cents for a spring at Lowe's, takes 5 minutes to put in). Very easy way to add extra tension to a stick and add more precise control.
It's at least something to try out before replacing the whole joystick. No matter what you do, you'll need practice with the stick before you're an expert with it. It takes time, but imo it is very worth it. An octo gate ($5-$8)may be a good way to get started as well. It's sorta like "training wheels" for a newbie stick user in my experience.
It's at least something to try out before replacing the whole joystick. No matter what you do, you'll need practice with the stick before you're an expert with it. It takes time, but imo it is very worth it. An octo gate ($5-$8)may be a good way to get started as well. It's sorta like "training wheels" for a newbie stick user in my experience.
So this is all i would need to replace the stick on my MadCatz SE? http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-SANWA-JOYSTICK-ARCADE-JLF-TP-8YT-SK-Green-NEW-/390311239632?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae05cdfd0#ht_1910wt_901
notworksafe
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Yep, that's it. Just take out the old stick and plug that one in. Good to go!
sixteen-bit
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8-way (standard). Rotating the gate 45 degrees to 4-way mode eliminates diagonals, which works great for games like Pac-Man and Tetris, but makes most games impossible to play.grendelrt said:
How much time will it take me, a newbie to arcade sticks, to adjust to a square gate like the one in my TvC stick? I'm having a bit of a tough time with my QCFs, usually in the form of lifting it up too high and hitting up+forward. The true left and right are kind of hard to tell apart from the upper ranges each diagonal.
The octogate and an extra spring will NOT fix the throw and dash move problems the JLF has... Trust me, I learned this over two years!
The JLF isn't a bad joystick for Street Fighter IV and most poly fighters but it leaves a lot to be desired where retro fighters and a few newer 2-D fighters are concerned.
Mortal Kombat has problems with the control laws that I don't think any joystick is going to fix... It's a software issue.
I noticed that was still true for MK vs DC as it was for the last two MK games I played way back when.
Just one player's opinion... Your mileage may vary.
Lots of players like the JLF but it's not any closer to perfect than anything else is. Some of us get used to its quirks and love it on the newer fighters; a lot of us don't like it when we revisit the CPS and SNK Neo Geo Fighters, too. I happen to believe the Seimitsu joysticks are more versatile and play more evenly with more fighters. You don't have to retrain or "swap" one group of muscles to play with an LS-series joystick (unless it's the LS-33 -- that's practically a JLF clone by the sounds of it). I've also played most of the popular fighting games since 1992 as well.
The JLF isn't a bad joystick for Street Fighter IV and most poly fighters but it leaves a lot to be desired where retro fighters and a few newer 2-D fighters are concerned.
Mortal Kombat has problems with the control laws that I don't think any joystick is going to fix... It's a software issue.
I noticed that was still true for MK vs DC as it was for the last two MK games I played way back when.
Just one player's opinion... Your mileage may vary.
Lots of players like the JLF but it's not any closer to perfect than anything else is. Some of us get used to its quirks and love it on the newer fighters; a lot of us don't like it when we revisit the CPS and SNK Neo Geo Fighters, too. I happen to believe the Seimitsu joysticks are more versatile and play more evenly with more fighters. You don't have to retrain or "swap" one group of muscles to play with an LS-series joystick (unless it's the LS-33 -- that's practically a JLF clone by the sounds of it). I've also played most of the popular fighting games since 1992 as well.
MarkMan
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I bought my first arcade stick a couple weeks ago and got a little annoyed with the stock parts. Also my first experience modding electronics in several years so my soldering skills are a little rusty, not to mention my painting skills... but got a new Seimitsu LS-55-01 spliced into the harness and got the old PCB desoldered. Waiting on a new balltop, some more clear PS-14-KNs, and some quick disconnect stuff from Seimitsu's store, then gonna finish up the painting and slap this thing back together.
It's a Hori Fighting Stick V3 for PS3/PC. In progress shot...
Been a really fun project so far, this thread's been some great inspiration. Ready for some 3rd Strike!
It's a Hori Fighting Stick V3 for PS3/PC. In progress shot...
Been a really fun project so far, this thread's been some great inspiration. Ready for some 3rd Strike!
notworksafe
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Very nice! Love those bubble tops, they are so good looking. Is that a Chun stick?
notworksafe
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Yeah I ended up ordering my plexi (which needs to get here already!) with the Xbox and PS3 buttons etched on it because I know I'll forget them before long.Mercutio said:
Phreakmods are working on a detachable JLF shaft for easier storage...
http://shoryuken.com/2011/05/24/the-link-new-shaft-for-sanwa-jlf-allows-easy-storage/
Sounds convenient, but I'm not sure if my grip style will agree with the different shape.
http://shoryuken.com/2011/05/24/the-link-new-shaft-for-sanwa-jlf-allows-easy-storage/
Sounds convenient, but I'm not sure if my grip style will agree with the different shape.
sixteen-bit
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Definitely interested if it works well.ExMachina said:
GhostRidah
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err wrong thread lol
Hmm anybody know an easy way to fix a Tekken 6 fighting stick for PS3? A friend fell on it after some drinks and like 2-3 of the buttons only register about 1/5 of the time. It has tri wing screws on the bottom, but I dont have a triwing screw, Should I replace the buttons with another companies?
CadetMahoney
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I was doing detachable jlf shafts about 2 years ago, was more basic though. Simple tap the new thread on a lowered shaft and done.
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