JadedWriter
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In all honesty bruh you should've stuck with the XT-20. At least look at used XT-1's and XT-10's, the price on those have dropped a lot.
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Lasthope106
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God I love those green colors mmm. Awesome pics.
I also recommend the Rokinon/Samyang 12mm. You can find the silver version for a lot cheaper than the black one. I got mine for $290 on ebay. Overall, it is worth the investment. The next closest wide angle lens is $600+ used.
The kit lens can give you acceptable pictures if you know what you are doing. But it will struggle in low light.
edit: Actually the black Samyang 12mm is $330 at B&H.
theepicoftyler
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Samyang 12mm f2.0 is my favorite lens.
Elfotografoalocado
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Jesus lord, I bought a used 7D as a substitute of my 600D that I sold, and the post package tracker tells me it's in town and in the process of being delivered but nobody comes and the office that should be handling this is radio silent to the phone. This is frustrating goddamit.
Astral/H3X
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Ahaha, yeah looks like the Samyang branded one is $329 and the Rokinon branded one is $399. Which, of course, it's literally the exact same lens, so ya
As for the colors, lasthope, IIRC I turned down Saturation and turned up Luminosity on the greens, if I'm not mixing that up somehow. It's how I process almost all of my green grass. (Though, that doesn't happen a lot since I don't do too much involving grass haha)
As for the colors, lasthope, IIRC I turned down Saturation and turned up Luminosity on the greens, if I'm not mixing that up somehow. It's how I process almost all of my green grass. (Though, that doesn't happen a lot since I don't do too much involving grass haha)
the better twin
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12mm might be a bit wide for a beginner. I have it and appreciate its uses but it can be hard to compose with it. I'd honestly consider something closer to 20mm for your first "wide" prime. With the Sony you're a bit limited at this focal length. Again Samyang offer a great option (21mm f1.4).
Astral/H3X
Member
Basically get Samyang.
EDIT: In other news, looks like the FE 50 1.8 had the firmware update it needed to use the pdaf, so I guess it's usable now.
I guess they used aspherical elements on it to, which gives it better IQ than the other nifty fifties.
It seems like all of Sony's glass is more expensive but also optically better than the equivalents. As to whether those are worth it... Well that's why we have Samyang.
EDIT: In other news, looks like the FE 50 1.8 had the firmware update it needed to use the pdaf, so I guess it's usable now.
I guess they used aspherical elements on it to, which gives it better IQ than the other nifty fifties.
It seems like all of Sony's glass is more expensive but also optically better than the equivalents. As to whether those are worth it... Well that's why we have Samyang.
Rentahamster
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Good deal for Canon or Nikon shooters on a budget.
https://slickdeals.net/f/10002200-y...canon-70-free-s-h-new-aliexpress-accounts?v=1
https://slickdeals.net/f/10002200-y...canon-70-free-s-h-new-aliexpress-accounts?v=1
So Gaf I'm looking to upgrade from my Nikon D5200 to a new camera. While I love it dearly as it's my first DSLR it's pretty limited when I want to record stuff or take pictures through Live View. Not only that it's pretty sluggish and I've missed many opportunities taking pictures because it's not fast enough.
My budget is around 1000-1500
My budget is around 1000-1500
Do you have a significant investment in lenses? Do you wish to remain with Nikon? If so then what about a D7000 series camera or maybe even a D600/D610? Look for an used model for extra savings.
Astral/H3X
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First, watch this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bYWwQOJee0g
Keep in mind this is from 2015, so some of the points have changed (for example, Sony bodies AF as quickly as DSLRs now, and Fuji's have a large lens lineup).
Also, if you want to go full manual, Mirror less wins. And Mirrorless is more or less designed around live view, so they will pretty much guaranteed have a much better live view.
Once you know if you want mirrorless or DSLR, then we can start narrowing from there.
JadedWriter
Member
I think if he wants better live view shooting he'd have to get a D750 or something. I really don't touch live view on any of my cameras and the lcds don't tilt on the older models. I hope he has a few FX lenses or something. If not either option requires some sort of glass investment. I already had at lest two FX lenses when I made my switch.
jongkookie
Member
How do people walk around with a 5Dmk3 and a 24-70 or even worse the 70-200 on themselves?
Been swapping those lenses at a wedding I'm shooting and I feel like my back is gonna give out before the night is done lol.
Been swapping those lenses at a wedding I'm shooting and I feel like my back is gonna give out before the night is done lol.
JadedWriter
Member
You get used to it, I use a strap for longer events though. I do street photography with a 70-200 for crying out loud.
habithipster
Member
Anyone here with a Lytro? How is it?
Astral/H3X
Member
It's a cool tech demo.
do u lift brah
No seriously that's a lot of camera, screw that noise haha.
Well if you are using a regular neck strap that'd be the first problem. Wear it across the body will distribute the weight better. On top of that if you had two bodies and not having to swap lenses that would save your back as well.
5d and 24-70 was my main gear for travel and street stuff for years. Don't carry it around your neck and you'll be fine. Ain't no thing.
JadedWriter
Member
I neck carry on the street, but at the same time I pretty much still hold the thing in my hands so it's not dangling around my neck, once I let go thats when the pain starts, shit's not light. I actually need to either get a second strap or a dual strap for when I do events. My D600, gripped, with a 24-70 and a hotshoe flash is not some shit you want dangling off your neck.
I keep the strap wrapped around my arm and hand firmly on the grip. Traveled pretty much around the world like that, never really felt heavy. Carrying the camera bag with additional gear is the killer. So just go out with the one lens most of the time and then hate myself when I see something I wish I could shoot with a different focal length.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Just wanna I've updated my Fujinon X-E1 and X-E2 to a X-T20. I was shocked how small it was! So I bought the official Grip and yeah, this camera is amazing! Especially regarding the price, this must be one of the best deals on the market right now.
I have the XF 14mm, 23mm 1.4 and 56mm 1.2 and happy to see that these lenses are so good they are benefitting enormously by the higher resolution. These lenses have great resolution.
EDIT: if you are a Fuji user and like using Lightroom but dislike its Fuji rendering you'll have to try Iridient X-transformer. It demosaics the Fuji Raw (instead of the awful Lightroom demosaicing) and turns it into a DNG which you can import into Lightroom and also works faster than the Fuji RAF's. Highly recommended!
I have the XF 14mm, 23mm 1.4 and 56mm 1.2 and happy to see that these lenses are so good they are benefitting enormously by the higher resolution. These lenses have great resolution.
EDIT: if you are a Fuji user and like using Lightroom but dislike its Fuji rendering you'll have to try Iridient X-transformer. It demosaics the Fuji Raw (instead of the awful Lightroom demosaicing) and turns it into a DNG which you can import into Lightroom and also works faster than the Fuji RAF's. Highly recommended!
habithipster
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Mind selling yours? Pm me.
Astral/H3X
Member
Ha, sorry never bought one. Just did a whole lot of research on it haha.
It's a cool concept, but the "sensor size" on it is so small, it's basically just a shiny point and shoot that lets you bork the focus up a bit.
If we give it a while to really pick up then maybe it'll work out.
JadedWriter
Member
I'm that crazy guy that packs around a 24-7-, 70-200 and an 85. I'm pretty much packed for everything. Granted it's my event photography go bag so I have it packed just in case I have to cover something for work, only thing missing is the second body which I pack, but have to leave out my 85. I don't really want my camera banging into people or hydrants or other random shit so for the most part the around my neck and holding it close to my body seems to work pretty dang well.
Man I really want an X-T20, since it's like the same price of a X-T1 in stores, I want X-T2 build quality, but...welp money is tight, then again at the same time I do not want to rebuy focal lengths. Maybe at some point I'll just buy something body only, get an adapter and just manual focus my Sigma 18-35 for a bit.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
I was also a bit uncertain about build quality since the x-t20 isn't build in Japan but yeah, I can take away all your fears: the x-t20 is build really, really well. I even don't want to trade it against a bigger, heavier x-t2 (but for me that is easy, I don't have any weather sealed lenses). And the x-t20's EVF is really good as well. And oh yeah... something with a touchscreen the x-t2 lacks... ;-)
JadedWriter
Member
I have never really complained about the lack of a touch screen in my 3 Nikon bodies. Modern "do I really need this feature" features aren't big selling points to me. I just want excellent images, accurate autofocus and good ergonomics for the most part. I need to see how my hands deal with it, knowing me I like stuff with a decent grip. I think I held and X-T10 once and the grip is horrible...at least to me, I'm too used to dslr grips. That and I keep hearing heavy glass get balanced poorly on mirrorless cameras.
TerryLee81
Member
I'm also tempted to get an X-T20, I had a X100s and really liked the pictures it produced.
But after reading reviews and comparisons like this one
http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/fujifilm-vs-olympus/omd-em1-mark-ii-vs-fuji-xt2/
it makes no sense to get a second system with almost the same iq.
It would make more sense to get a a7rii or Pentax K1 for landscape with clearly better iq. But then again I bought a D750 last year and never took it with me when I went out
But after reading reviews and comparisons like this one
http://mirrorlesscomparison.com/fujifilm-vs-olympus/omd-em1-mark-ii-vs-fuji-xt2/
it makes no sense to get a second system with almost the same iq.
It would make more sense to get a a7rii or Pentax K1 for landscape with clearly better iq. But then again I bought a D750 last year and never took it with me when I went out
Waldo Lydecker
Member
For most primes or the kitlenses 16-50 or 18-55 the x-t20 has good enough grip with the official grip. If you use lenses like the 16-55 2.8 or the 10-24 f4 I would indeed recommend the x-t2 over the x-t20.
JadedWriter
Member
Yeah knowing my crazy ass I'd be looking at the 16-55 and 50-140 lenses. That and if I was to adapt the Sigma 18-35, it's not exactly a small lens. Like I'm used to it, but on something with a shallow grip it would probably be a pain to hold.
jongkookie
Member
I do use a body strap or whatever you call this thing:
I'm just so used to a light camera so I feel like I'm carrying a rock with the setup last night lol.
Got another one to shoot tonight and it's at a larger venue so I imagine I'd be dead at the end of the night.
On a positive note, I got to play with the 8-15mm fisheye last night and this thing is fncking gorgeous I want one so bad! Does Nikon or Sony have a fisheye lens that's sorta cheap? Lol.
Here's a shitty Instagram pic of one of my fave fisheye shots from the night:
It really is a lot of camera... probably the most I've ever carried in my entire life lol. At one point I really felt like a protog out there carrying that thing haha.
I'm just so used to a light camera so I feel like I'm carrying a rock with the setup last night lol.
Got another one to shoot tonight and it's at a larger venue so I imagine I'd be dead at the end of the night.
On a positive note, I got to play with the 8-15mm fisheye last night and this thing is fncking gorgeous I want one so bad! Does Nikon or Sony have a fisheye lens that's sorta cheap? Lol.
Here's a shitty Instagram pic of one of my fave fisheye shots from the night:
It really is a lot of camera... probably the most I've ever carried in my entire life lol. At one point I really felt like a protog out there carrying that thing haha.
Thinking about dumping my little Fuji kit, lack of IBIS is just killing me after having not to think about it for more than a decade. Also the shutter speed is slower than I'm used to at same ISO and aperture, so when I think I can get away with the settings, it became obvious that I couldn't when viewing the images on a big screen. I pretty much only take it if I need a P&S (i.e. just want something better than a phone and shoot in jpeg) Sadly, no one makes apsc milc with ibis. Maybe I'll just convince my wife to use it instead of a phone. Anything is better than a phone...
JadedWriter
Member
You'll get used to it. I rock around with a D810 with 2.8 glass for street photography, it's not lite but I've gotten pretty used to the weight...I also hit the gym though.I do use a body strap or whatever you call this thing:
I'm just so used to a light camera so I feel like I'm carrying a rock with the setup last night lol.
Got another one to shoot tonight and it's at a larger venue so I imagine I'd be dead at the end of the night.
On a positive note, I got to play with the 8-15mm fisheye last night and this thing is fncking gorgeous I want one so bad! Does Nikon or Sony have a fisheye lens that's sorta cheap? Lol.
Here's a shitty Instagram pic of one of my fave fisheye shots from the night:
It really is a lot of camera... probably the most I've ever carried in my entire life lol. At one point I really felt like a protog out there carrying that thing haha.
Forgot 6500 has it but I'll stay away from Sony's APSC. I'll probably just get a Pentax mid range body with a bit more plastic and less metal and call it a day for casual outing. The size and weight isn't that big of difference at that point.
JadedWriter
Member
Almost bought Panasonic G7 while just fucking around in a Best Buy. "I was like that's how you change aperture and shutter speed?!" still need to find out how to adjust AF points...also no iso button. It actually annoys me how a lot of mirrorless cameras are littered with Fn buttons, but nothing that says specifically what a button does. I guess that's why I like the Fuji layouts so much at least on the X-T1 level bodies.
thesoapster
Member
I really like my BlackRapid Sport strap. I don't bother with the underarm strap piece, though.
edit: It especially helps when lugging around a 70-200mm, even more so if a teleconverter is thrown on. (Yay ultimate creeper mode.)
edit: It especially helps when lugging around a 70-200mm, even more so if a teleconverter is thrown on. (Yay ultimate creeper mode.)
Astral/H3X
Member
I could probably never be satisfied with any non-Peak Design strap.
Straps are a pain in the ass, and I only want them on sometimes.
Straps are a pain in the ass, and I only want them on sometimes.
BlueTsunami
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Man that 12mm Venus Optics Laowa lens has me curious. 12mm, on full frame, virtually no optical distortion. It would be a one trick pony but I've found myself in tight places where it would be useful.
Astral/H3X
Member
Just picked up the FE 50 1.8, gonna update the FW on it and see how it does.
Nope, my sister bought me a lense so I have no major investments in Nikon lenses.
Thanks for sharing that video, man it's hard to know which type of camera to buy. I want something that is not that big/bulky to carry around like a mirrorless camera but at the same time I don't know how good they are compared to DSLR cameras.
Also I'm not really good at going full manual so I guess that it takes mirrorless cameras out of the picture?
TerryLee81
Member
No, not at all. It's actually a lot easier to shoot manual with a mirrorless because any adjustment you make will be reflected immediatly in the picture you see on the screen/evf. But all cameras have P/A/S/M and full auto modes.
But if you want something smaller than your D5200, I would suggest going mirrorless. And even more if you use it for video a lot.
Ok, sounds good
Is the Sony Alpas 6300/6500 worth getting? Are there others in the same price range and quality?Ok, sounds good
You can get Sony if you don't plan on having lots of native lenses or plan on using adapted legacy glass. Sony are good at getting bodies out, but completely neglect lenses (they expect you to use oversized/overpriced FF lenses on tiny APSC bodies)
The only realistic mirrorless alternatives are Fuji and M43 (Panasonic & Olympus). Fuji was quirky in the first few years, but they've come a long way since then. Closest to your D3200 experience (APSC sensor). M43 uses a smaller sensor, but the sheer choice of camera bodies (big, small, rangefinder-like, DSLR-like, entry level, pro level) and lenses is unparalleled among mirrorless systems.
JadedWriter
Member
I will suggest either a Fuji X-T1 just cause they're affordable up to a certain point now or a Panasonic G7. Both are really good and light mirrorless cameras. If you really care about video then go Panasonic. Sony's are good, but at the same time you run the risk of over heating your camera, which has been a known issue for years for them, you might even be able to splurge and get a Panasonic G85 depending on what you say. Both the Panasonic's mentioned do 4K if that means anything to you.Ok, sounds good
Blackpuppy
Member
A mirrorless camera can take the same kind of photos as a DSLR. The only difference between the two is that a DSLR has a periscope-like system to send the light coming from the lens to the view finder and a mirrorless just has the light going straight to the sensor the whole time.
For my own personal case use, I love love LOVE my Sony a6000. It's an APS-C sensor in a tiny size, so DSLR quality without all the heft. I know that Sony's lens choices aren't the greatest, but 90% of my photos are taken with my Sigma 30mm 2.8 which takes great pictures. Otherwise I have the Sigma 60mm which is an EXTREMELY sharp lens, and a couple of old manual lenses.
Manual lenses are great on mirrorless because it turns everything in focus into red, or you can do a digital zoom for extra finessing.
Here's a Youtube video demonstrating this:
https://youtu.be/V-L8l5gEIgU
Huge EVF on the XT1 for one thing.
So you would still recommend an XT-1 over the T20 with a newer image processor and more pixel density on the sensor? I know MP isn't the end all be all just want to know if the general concensus is that the older TX-1 still reigns supreme
I'd personally prefer the XT1 for myself for the EVF and weather sealing, but you give up 4K, touch screen and 24MP. I guess it depends on your priorities.
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