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NeoGAF Games of the Fifth Generation Awards
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sleepydeer
Member
No one else voted for Total Annihilation, even with other RTS games getting decent representation. Those poor old nuclear deathbots...
Thanks for doing this AniHawk!
Thanks for doing this AniHawk!
Mario Kart 64 as the #1 racing game is my only NONONONOONONONONONONO of these lists. I played a ton of MK64 at the time and we had some fun times with the multiplayer, but not only are Crash Team Racing & Diddy Kong Racing better kart racers from this generation, games like Ridge Racer Type 4, F-Zero X, Gran Turismo 2, Wave Race 64 and Wipeout 3 are, imho, unarguably far superior racing games when not limiting ourselves just to kart racers. And those are only the console ones, there were some great ones on PC as well (though, really, where is RRT4 from the Top 10 racing games?!?). I mean, sure, most of those are in the Top 10, so I guess I shouldn't complain too much, but if Mario Kart 64 made the list at all, it should've been at the bottom of the Top 10, not at the top.
Don't really agree Super Smash Bros. was #1 worthy either. It was a good first try, but imho Melee is what perfected the formula and it'd at least make sense as the #1 fighting game of that generation (even though I personally prefer a few other fighting games of the PS2/GC/Xbox era).
Don't really agree Super Smash Bros. was #1 worthy either. It was a good first try, but imho Melee is what perfected the formula and it'd at least make sense as the #1 fighting game of that generation (even though I personally prefer a few other fighting games of the PS2/GC/Xbox era).
Between Minish Cap (which was good but nothing amazing) and A Link Between Worlds (which, even though it's a quality game, rides a bit too hard on the nostalgia train & relies far too much on the wall-sneak mechanic), portable Zeldas have been far worse than any console Zeldas. Console Zeldas have had some flaws, but they are still more imaginative and/or of higher quality than absolutely mediocre games like Phantom Hourglass.
Suikoden 2 & Lunar I can give you, but Star Ocean 2? I just don't think it's anything too special. I don't think of FFIX as highly as a lot of other FF/JRPG fans, but it's still better than Star Ocean 2. It falls along JRPGs like some of the more mediocre Tales of entries. There's some stuff to like and nothing is inherently broken/really badly designed but as an overall package it just feels lacking and a bit too generic.
Nocturnowl
Member
Solid top 10, good job with the thread AniHawk.
Definitely one of the trickier eras of games to revisit, it was a bold new world for the most part and with that you got some defining moments along with a bunch of things that don't quite hold up to the memories.
One of the great mysteries of life, really though I think the early days of N64 Multiplayer ensure that Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 manage to outlive their superior successors/counterparts.
Definitely one of the trickier eras of games to revisit, it was a bold new world for the most part and with that you got some defining moments along with a bunch of things that don't quite hold up to the memories.
One of the great mysteries of life, really though I think the early days of N64 Multiplayer ensure that Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 manage to outlive their superior successors/counterparts.
I would've swapped some positions and added a few titles that didn't make it to top 20, but overall this is a good list. Though I'll never understand the love for Goldeneye and certainly will never agree with the notion of it being a better FPS than Half-Life, but whatever.
I think gen 4's top 5 will look roughly like this: ALTTP > SMW > Super Metroid> CT > FF VI. Judging purely on a popularity basis here on gaf. Super Metroid may or may not overtake Mario, but I think ALTTP is fairly "safe" as #1.
I think gen 4's top 5 will look roughly like this: ALTTP > SMW > Super Metroid> CT > FF VI. Judging purely on a popularity basis here on gaf. Super Metroid may or may not overtake Mario, but I think ALTTP is fairly "safe" as #1.
I didn't have time to make a proper list, but all things considered, it's not an offensive list. Half-Life shouldn't be that low though and I don't even like Half-Life. Gold/Silver above Red/Blue is a travesty though. Figures content trumps design, at least according to the majority.Lastly, Goldeneye should belong in the top ten. I mean, Banjo Kazooie? Really?
Retromelon
Member
Anihawk, you mixed up conkers bad fur day and crash bandicoot on the platformer's list. Also, you mispelled Crash bandicoot. Besides that, great job.
Blame my nostalgia but I cannot disagree more. The best portable zelda game by far imo.
Sgt. Garlic
Member
Damn Good Lists. Ocarina of Time at No. 1 is not surprising. It's great to see PKMM GSC on the RPG list; it's my favorite Pokemon generation.
Its objective based, semi-stealthy single player was done pretty well and was far more replayable than the extremely linear & straightforward Half-life campaign + it had a superbly fun multiplayer. Sure, maybe Half-life's underlying FPS mechanics have aged better and from a storytelling POV it was more groundbreaking, but yeah, if I had to guess, I'd say the single player campaigns mission design and especially the multiplayer are big reasons why Goldeneye is perhaps remembered a bit more fondly (+ the people who have voted seem to lean more on the console side of things from that era), no matter if it actually holds up all that well when played today.
I played both of them at a very late date, and while I could manage to beat and even enjoy Half-Life, I just couldn't be bothered to beat Goldeneye's campaign at all. It's one of those sacred cows who just aged really, really badly and I can't seriously consider it worthy of being one of the greatests of all time without a "(*for its time)" note attached to it, and I'm generally very tolerant with archaic controls and mechanics when it comes to older games.
Even back then when I played it for a little bit at a friend's house I remember not caring very much for it and thinking there were already better fps at the market. IMO console FPS in general only started finding its foot at gen 6. But I'm clearly in the minority here.
SatelliteOfLove
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Great work AniHawk, thanks for doing this!
Couple of typos I spotted:
Crash Bandiccot 2 damn, fixed while I typed this xD
57.. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - 12, 4 Honorable Mentions (extra dot)
I'm butthurt about the Saturn being so grossly underrepresented, so I guess I should be happy I got quoted for Panzer Dragoon Saga. At least it made the list.
Couple of typos I spotted:
57.. Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver - 12, 4 Honorable Mentions (extra dot)
I'm butthurt about the Saturn being so grossly underrepresented, so I guess I should be happy I got quoted for Panzer Dragoon Saga. At least it made the list.
Yup.
Yup.
Aaand yup. Said the same thing when I saw this, hah. Hell I said as much writing my list to begin with, which heavily featured Konami.
CouldBeWorse
Member
Goldeneye got robbed. Most replayable game of the generation by miles.
Morrigan Stark
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the sega saturn sold less than 1.3m units in the us. it was most popular in japan where it sold 5.5m units (more than the n64, even). although europe doubled the us number, it still isn't a ton of folks that had one. panzer dragoon representing the saturn is actually quite a feat. until shadow hog's post, grim fandango was #25. panzer dragoon bumped it out of the top 25, and that was the only time during the entire vote that saturn was on the top 25.
timetokill
Banned
Fantastic job as always, AniHawk.
Biggest surprise for me in Banjo in the Top 10. I mean, I enjoyed it and all but I really wasn't in love with it like a lot of other people apparently were.
I'd say GoldenEye being 11 is a surprise, but if you had asked me what games were the best while that era was still active, I probably would've said GoldenEye. I played the shit out of that game.
As for the Mario Kart 64 > CTR, I didn't vote for either, but it's all about multiplayer, people. As a kid, 4 players on Block Fort in MK64, or on Facility in GoldenEye, or in Smash Bros, or whatever, was too fucking fun. The Playstation had a lot more variety but the 64 couldn't be beat for its high points.
Biggest surprise for me in Banjo in the Top 10. I mean, I enjoyed it and all but I really wasn't in love with it like a lot of other people apparently were.
I'd say GoldenEye being 11 is a surprise, but if you had asked me what games were the best while that era was still active, I probably would've said GoldenEye. I played the shit out of that game.
As for the Mario Kart 64 > CTR, I didn't vote for either, but it's all about multiplayer, people. As a kid, 4 players on Block Fort in MK64, or on Facility in GoldenEye, or in Smash Bros, or whatever, was too fucking fun. The Playstation had a lot more variety but the 64 couldn't be beat for its high points.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah but NeoGAF is an enthusiast's site, it should have been more represented, lol.
Thanks, Shadow Hog!
Clemsontigers35
Member
I think that Gran Turismo was treated quite unfairly. It's probably my favorite PS1 game, but because it's updated like Madden, people forget how revolutionary it was. GT is Playstation's most important franchise, it didn't get to be by accident.
maybe its library just isn't that great compared to n64 and ps1 ^_^
I mean I love my saturn and many of its expensive ass games but it doesn't even come close to the n64 and ps1 imo
GregLombardi
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Yeah I would definitely play it on 3DS and play it all the way through. If nothing else, you can say you finished what many consider to be the best game ever created.
Also, no surprise at #1. Glad to see FF7 there too.
Not really that surprising list. Dissapointed that OoT is first but that was to be expected.
Why was my Wings vote not counted though? Can't find it on the list. Not that it matters much since I was probably the only one who voted it but still. I need answers ani!
Almost forgot to vote it when I was making my list. Easily one the best splitscreen games I've played.
IMO OoT is by far most overrated Zelda. It felt really by the numbers Zelda game. I highly prefer MM over it and pretty much any other Zelda I've played.
Why was my Wings vote not counted though? Can't find it on the list. Not that it matters much since I was probably the only one who voted it but still. I need answers ani!
Almost forgot to vote it when I was making my list. Easily one the best splitscreen games I've played.
IMO OoT is by far most overrated Zelda. It felt really by the numbers Zelda game. I highly prefer MM over it and pretty much any other Zelda I've played.
thps2 was sports game of the generation for gen 5 and #39 overall. we already had a gen 6 vote and it was #248 overall.
all i could find about wings was a pc game from 1990
GregLombardi
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I'm totally cool with people preferring MM over OOT. I'll never agree with it, but I will always admit that MM sits among the most unique videogames ever created. That said, I'm curious -- what historical reference do you allude to when you compare Ocarina to other Zeldas? As far as I recall, having played Zelda 1, 2, and LTTP growing up, Ocarina of Time entrenched and set in stone all that had been attempted before it. Basically, it perfected it in ways that were unimaginable at the time.
I don't think this list reflects great taste, but I can't exactly complain when I didn't vote! The scope was just too big for me to feel I could do it justice without committing more than I'd like to right now.
Still, it was very well organized, as always, and the summary post looks great.
Still, it was very well organized, as always, and the summary post looks great.
Voysa Reezun
Banned
I was sure NiGHTS was headed for a top-25 finish. It bums me out that it didn't make it.
But again, the Saturn was barely owned in the United States. If you haven't played one, you should get your hands on one, even considering that some of the better games for it (Shining Force III, Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Orta, many of the 2D Capcom fighters) are very pricy.
But again, the Saturn was barely owned in the United States. If you haven't played one, you should get your hands on one, even considering that some of the better games for it (Shining Force III, Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Orta, many of the 2D Capcom fighters) are very pricy.
Melchiah
Member
What, no Amiga?
Here. This is the game I meant. It is indie game from '96 so no wonder you didn't find it.
Well I played OoT first time few years back. Sure it was really unique and groundbreaking when it released but after playing other 3D Zelda games before playing OoT makes it look not really that unique.
not psycho
Member
I didn't vote because I haven't played so many of the classics, and I'm still planning on it. Especially on PC: Planescape: Torment, Half-Life, System Shock 2, Fallout 2, Baldur's Gate, X-COM. I actually started X-COM recently, need to get back to it.
My list would have been something like Symphony of the Night, Shining Force III, Grim Fandango, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Quake III Arena, Super Smash Bros, Super Mario 64, Worms Armageddon, Guardian Heroes, Tomb Raider II. Shining Force III would have jumped all the way from 67 to 53... oh well, still wouldn't have been top 50.
My list would have been something like Symphony of the Night, Shining Force III, Grim Fandango, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Quake III Arena, Super Smash Bros, Super Mario 64, Worms Armageddon, Guardian Heroes, Tomb Raider II. Shining Force III would have jumped all the way from 67 to 53... oh well, still wouldn't have been top 50.
Version 3.0
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Thanks, Anihawk! These are always fun!
IAmRandom31
Banned
Majora's Mask was just too big of a change for me. The whole visual style was just all kinds of off and the time limit junk and the ending. Nothing about it ever had a moment like riding Epona or entering the Temple of Time or anything like that from OOT. The gameplay of a Zelda game is always smooth and crisp, like most Nintendo games, it was just the package surrounding Majora's Mask that was about as mediocre as it gets for a Zelda game. Or so I thought, until I played Twilight Princess. Good lord that one just had no life at all to it. I really haven't been awestruck by a console Zelda game since Wind Waker, and that one only struck me due to the visuals. It was incredibly easy and short and the riding through the ocean stuff was flat out boring. The handheld offerings felt more like classic Zelda's in the Link to the Past variety, so loved those. But yeh, even they had some pretty glaring flaws. Hasn't been a masterpiece Zelda, to me, since OOT.
I absolutely loved Star Ocean 2. That battle system is one of the most fun action based / combo based battle systems I've ever come across. You could put together insane 100+ combo attacks near the end of the game. The twist in the middle of the story was fantastic. The music was fantastic. And then when you beat it the damn game had difficulty levels! DIFFICULTY LEVELS! That blew my F'in mind and I immediately turned it up to the highest difficulty level and played it again. The game had fun collectibles and unlocks and such like that. Was just a great overall game, one of my favorite JRPG's of all time.
Its multiplayer is pretty dated, but the single player is surprisingly fresh thanks to its open ended, mission based structure. Objectives are not immediately obvious and encourages exploration while the different difficulty modes completely changes how you approach most levels.
I say fresh because the open ended, unforgiving nature of Goldeneye's single player has been all but abandoned in this day in age. In fact, outside of Perfect Dark, I cannot recall a single FPS that has a similar structure. I genuinely enjoy roaming through the open levels, exploring all aspects to complete the various objectives to such an extent that I overlook the heavily dated controls and graphics.
The cheat modes work to add variety to the levels and also serves as a separate objective for completionists. Levels will have certain time goals to meet on specific levels unlocking the cheats, and in some cases, they are incredibly difficult (such as Facility). They require you to replay the levels over and over to nail down the best possible route.
I could go on, but my point is that while yes, nostalgia plays a big part in Goldeneye's appeal, its single player is still a unique and enjoyable experience. The multiplayer is complete garbage though, which is what most people look back on when they discuss it.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Bollocks. I think AniHawk is right, I'm just disappointed.
Nostremitus
Member
Tomba! 2 didn't even get a mention for best platformer? I know it got an honorable in the big list... but man...
Also, Mega Man Legends placed but Mystical Ninja didn't? What?
Also, Mega Man Legends placed but Mystical Ninja didn't? What?
sixteen-bit
Member
Such a great generation for games.
As far as fully 3D games, yes.
Saturn still has a bunch of quality games, mainly from Sega.
You could also see it as votes being spread more thinly though. PS1 has undoubtedly the deepest software lineup of the generation but it will spread the vote to a larger number of games. If you only owned an N64 then the choices are much clearer then if you only owned a PS1.
WTF!!!, Track & Field for the Playstation not even mentioned in 'Party Game Of The Generation'!!
Who the fuck puts Mario Kart 64 above Wipeout 2097 or F-Zero X in 'Racing Game Of The Generation'!!??....Mario Kart isn't even a good kart game let alone a competent racing game!
Only one C&C game in the 'Stratagy Game Of The Generation'!!!!.........Jesus people
Who the fuck puts Mario Kart 64 above Wipeout 2097 or F-Zero X in 'Racing Game Of The Generation'!!??....Mario Kart isn't even a good kart game let alone a competent racing game!
Only one C&C game in the 'Stratagy Game Of The Generation'!!!!.........Jesus people
unknownstranger
Member
Completely forgot to vote on this list. The only one I really have an issue with is Rayman 2 being so low but I get why with it having better ports next gen.
