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I. The Basics

What?
This is a thread to share your training logs, advice, experience, information, culture and opinions on everything related to the Martial Arts. Any style, any philosophy, weapons or empty handed- its all welcome here. The main idea here is exchange.... No matter what we're doing, we can all learn something from each other.

Why? Judging by a couple threads, GAF actually seems to have a lot of martial artists. And though we have the MMA threads and a Fitness Thread, they don’t encompass the depth or breadth of Martial Arts and the related culture.

Who? Everyone who is interested in Martial Arts, from the casual movie fan to a lifelong practitioner. We only ask that you be polite with others regarding their personal philosophies and styles of choice.... And not disparage anyone. Argue however you must, but please
conduct yourself politely.



II. Getting Into It

What Should I Learn?
What do you want out of it? Are you practicing for health and fitness? Self-Defense? Philosophy? Maybe you just want to learn how to kick ass? Do you want to compete, and under what ruleset? When it comes to training, teachers are maybe more important than styles..... The search for one is up to you.

What Teacher Should I Look For?
You want someone with experience, dedication, enthusiasm, and a hunger for learning more... The best teachers are the ones who realized a long time ago that you're never done learning. And dont let anyone scam you with overpriced lessons, no matter what your goals might be.

What School Should I Look For?
Look around long and hard. Every time i found a school i needed, it was definitely not the first school i tried out. Take a free trial class if they offer them and see what theyre about. Ask the regulars. If it fits your personality, goals, budget, and schedule, then its probably gucci. Make sure the school takes adequate safety precautions- in legal and physical form. Mouthgards, protective gear, etc.

Conditioning
No matter what you're doing, you're gonna have to change your body. That might entail training for stamina, speed, strength, and flexibility. It might mean training a specific part of your body with an implement. It can even refer to your mind, through meditation and other avenues. If you have questions, ask! Your teacher first, of course.



III. When You're Settled

Philosophy
Find a goal and a reason for practicing and then figure out what you should do based on that. Why am I learning this? How will I use it, if at all? What does my teaching historically advocate, and do I agree with it?

Competition and Sparring
Sparring can be addictive as it is useful. You might find yourself at a point in your life where you truly want to test yourself... Competition is a way to do that.


IV. Styles


http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mcweigel/rmafaq/rmafaq1.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mcweigel/rmafaq/rmafaq2.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mcweigel/rmafaq/rmafaq3.html


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Any ideas for the thread, let me know and i'll include it in the OP.
 
Ill start
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I've been doing Martial arts since I was about 6-8(?) I think. I did TKD for four years, got a black belt when I entered Junior High. I think a lot of people start out like that. It was very McDojo (i did get a black belt when i was 13, lol) but it did have some cool aspects, like full contact sparring. and some takedown stuff. I then did wrestling in high school, then boxing and muay thai in college. I'm now doing mostly Sun style Xingyiquan now, which I like quite a bit. It fits my personality and attack style a lot. I'm kinda starting from the ground up, developing full foot to hand power and retraining my body a bit.
 
Ive been doing Krav Maga, MMA and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for a while now. I got into Krav first as Knife crime in England is becoming a problem. Its by far my favourite of the three arts. BJJ isn't useful on the street but its great fun to do. The MMA is just to have a nice balance between all martial arts.
 
Ive been doing Krav Maga, MMA and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for a while now. I got into Krav first as Knife crime in England is becoming a problem. Its by far my favourite of the three arts. BJJ isn't useful on the street but its great fun to do. The MMA is just to have a nice balance between all martial arts.

My teacher has a CQC guy come work with us when it comes to knives and street apps, I find it to be very useful and pretty fun stuff. Exhausting too.

How often do you go to each per week? That seems like itd slay your free time.
 
My teacher has a CQC guy come work with us when it comes to knives and street apps, I find it to be very useful and pretty fun stuff. Exhausting too.

How often do you go to each per week? That seems like itd slay your free time.

MMA and BJJ an hour each on Monday
Krav for 2 hours on Wednesday
Krav for 2 hours on Saturday

I might miss the odd one because i train weights everyday and some times i'll be fatigued. It does drain time but i gave up TV a long time ago so it just replaces that.
 
O know this might be common knowledge but, remember kids: if you know how to defend yourself or others, a street fight is not to see who wins or who looses. It becomes a matter of disable and run.

Don't risk it kids. Not worth it.
 
O know this might be common knowledge but, remember kids: if you know how to defend yourself or others, a street fight is not to see who wins or who looses. It becomes a matter of disable and run.

Don't risk it kids. Not worth it.

Thats why I love Krav Maga. No gimmicks. Kick em in the balls and bail.
 
MMA and BJJ an hour each on Monday
Krav for 2 hours on Wednesday
Krav for 2 hours on Saturday

I might miss the odd one because i train weights everyday and some times i'll be fatigued. It does drain time but i gave up TV a long time ago so it just replaces that.

ahhhh, i get it, so your BJJ/MMA classes are same school and complementary right? That makes sense. I'm doing about 3-4 hours 5 days a week... I know what its like when you get into it and you dont really care that much about other stuff. Hard to balance that.

O know this might be common knowledge but, remember kids: if you know how to defend yourself or others, a street fight is not to see who wins or who looses. It becomes a matter of disable and run.

Don't risk it kids. Not worth it.

I agree. Honestly, one of the best forms of self defense in the world is good cardio, if you think about it.
 
Thats why I love Krav Maga. No gimmicks. Kick em in the balls and bail.

That's what they told us about it. They showed us quick and easy ways to disarm people with knives, chains or pipes, and disable them.

Had to disable a dumbass with a knife once. Cross chopped the fuck out of his Adam apple.

At least he did "book" moves. I wasn't expecting him trying to knife me in the face :/

Btw: not krav maga, but most probably parts of it.
 
ahhhh, i get it, so your BJJ/MMA classes are same school and complementary right? That makes sense. I'm doing about 3-4 hours 5 days a week... I know what its like when you get into it and you dont really care that much about other stuff. Hard to balance that.

Yeh. 3-4 hours of martial arts training a day? The fuuuuu?


That's what they told us about it. They showed us quick and easy ways to disarm people with knives, chains or pipes, and disable them.

Had to disable a dumbass with a knife once. Cross chopped the fuck out of his Adam apple.

At least he did "book" moves. I wasn't expecting him trying to knife me in the face :/

I honestly hope i never have to deal with it. Despite spar'ing a lot with knives its so easy to be cut (plastic knife) even if you do everything right. The average mugger wont want to stab you though. He will just want something like money. So the element of surprise always helps. But its always easier to just give them it. Your life aint worth whats in your wallet.
 
Doing a Karate class for three hours a day, but only once a week - pretty bad, if you ask me. I prefer at least three, so I just end up going to the gym a few times a week as well. Aikido was also offered, but no thanks. Did TKD in high school as a class, which wasn't bad, and did some TKD at some random school a few years back, but it was obviously a McDojo.

Love martial arts.
 
Yeh. 3-4 hours of martial arts training a day? The fuuuuu?
I only sleep like six hours, so i wake up in the morning, do like an hour of neigong, then practice in the afternoon for like 2-3 hours on my own 3 days a week. 2 days out of that 5 i'll spend in class.
 
I only sleep like six hours, so i wake up in the morning, do like an hour of neigong, then practice in the afternoon for like 2-3 hours on my own 3 days a week. 2 days out of that 5 i'll spend in class.

I don't think Bruce Lee trained as much as you haha. Good commitment though. I can't live without 8 hours sleep.
 
I actually wanna learn aikido. There is a school near my workplace, but being a (lazy) programmer kinda craps on everything.

If I had time to do 3-4 hours daily, I'd probably be a student or unemployed. Or both.

What you guys think about aikido?
 
I don't think Bruce Lee trained as much as you haha. Good commitment though. I can't live without 8 hours sleep.
Bruce Lee's training schedule makes me look like a bitch total. I'll never be able to do that lol.

Doing a Karate class for three hours a day, but only once a week - pretty bad, if you ask me. I prefer at least three, so I just end up going to the gym a few times a week as well. Aikido was also offered, but no thanks. Did TKD in high school as a class, which wasn't bad, and did some TKD at some random school a few years back, but it was obviously a McDojo.

Love martial arts.
Try to practice on your own. I do a great deal of my practice by myself working on things (timewise like 60-80%) and then reference back to my teacher when i do see him.

Ayo part of the reason i made this thread is because I think its essential to have a training log for whatever physical activity youre doing. That way you can take notes, track your progress with numbers, and maximize each session.
 
I actually wanna learn aikido. There is a school near my workplace, but being a (lazy) programmer kinda craps on everything.

If I had time to do 3-4 hours daily, I'd probably be a student or unemployed. Or both.

What you guys think about aikido?

Yea the only reason i can do this is because of college, i know grad school will kill my practice time.

As for Aikido.. It depends, what do you want? As a fighting art? As a form of conditioning, philosophy, etc etc etc
 
excellent OP, long overdue. subbed cause fuckyalife

i was reading the philosophy on it for years, pretty typical stuff like Book of Five Rings (the void is still one of the shortest but kinda deepest pieces ive mulled over), Hagakure, Art of War, i ching etc, got a few more good recommendations on deck from OP.

college was where i actually got to try stuff out - a few semesters of shotokan (sensei actually lead me into civil service, looking back), few more of judo, tried akido and a few others to see what i felt was practical. It was a great time because i had this chinese roomate thats still about my best friend who was of the same mindset: we didn't rank very high in any one art, just wanted to get a feel for everything that was out there - MMA was slowly catching on, but i grew up with a lotta wrestlers and didn't want to keep at that. I did kendo and a tourney in fencing for the fuck of it before finding a small boxing gym, that's been pretty much my art of choice since then - I'm constantly using this site and a local gym to work on my rusty footwork/form. I just love the routine, it's the most fun i have with anaerobic training, and using my hands & speed feels so much more natural.

that said, i never got into many kicks i felt comfortable with that i'd use in a brawl - i always kinda dug what i saw of muay thai cause i can get with knees & elbows, might have to do with my height & build? and yeah, i respect that krav maga type shit but honestly, if a knife is pulled on you, get armed or run. i kinda feel bad for dudes who get gassed up like they're batman and can't have an artery cut before they know what happened. old military drill i was taught to reinforce this: give your roomate/little sister/etc a plastic knife, dip it in red paint, put on a shirt you dont like and see how fucked up you get trying to disarm them. i just don't think its a good idea, personally.

haha that was kinda all over the place - anyway, OP needs more Bullshido!

Bruce Lee's training schedule makes me look like a bitch total. I'll never be able to do that lol.

dude you been keeping up with my fitocracy? ive been trying Ali's workout and it kicks my ass, and im not even doing the bit they left off - he'd run to & from the gym here in MIA, 6 miles each way (in army boots) at a pace of nearly 6 minute mile. i just got my 3 mile back under 8mins each man.
 
care to elaborate on that? Sounds like a grueling weekend btw

Yeah it was pretty tiring and I'm sore all over. Day 1 we arrived in the evening so we went over the basics of how to physically handle our VIPs and how to position ourselves around them and protect them from attacks. Day 2 was more VIP stuff from simple things like how to control your partner if you're walking together holding hands and are confronted with a threat to protecting them against a knife attack. We went over using improvised weapons including how to get off a chair quickly and use it to defend and attack. Later we did defence on a bus which included protecting ourselves and a third party which I really enjoyed. Later we had to run a gauntlet of over 40 people holding kickshields that we had to performs a few strikes against and move on to the next one. However whilst doing that we had to fend off some sort of choke attack at every kickshield. It was evry, very tiring. The next and final day started off with a 6.30am combat circuit. After that we were individually put through a live stress drill where we walked through a small area where we were confronted with belligerent bystanders and random attacks. Finally a ground fighting session closed off the day.

All in all it was excellent.
 
long overdue thread. I'm in my late 30's, gyming most of my adult life but have only been involved in martial arts this past year. I have a few months of solid muay Thai under my belt where I trained 2-3 times a week. i want to train more but I have arthritis in my knees and full contact muay Thai, which i loved, just didn't allow me to heal all the bumps and bruises. that led me to Brazilian jiu jitsu. after trialing a few schools I was finding that most muay Thai schools that also offered BJJ did it half ass and vice versa with most BJJ schools doing muay Thai half ass. i did finally find a good BJJ school that also has legit muay Thai. so far i am loving it, BJJ is easy on my knees allowing me to train BJJ 3-4 times a week all while fulfilling my need to spar when we roll. along with BJJ i still take a muay Thai class once a week and also train with friends hitting pads at the park once a week.
 
For the non-martial arts inclined maybe a broad overview of the historical/cultural and fighting style differences between each of the art/combat types.
 
a tip I can share for anyone thinking about getting involved in MA is to take advantage of free trial classes that most schools offer. some schools I tried were completely unsafe where beginners where sparring muay Thai with no safety equipment requirements. I saw guys kicking each other shin to shin, jaw punches to guys without mouthpieces, etc. safety should always be priority number one.
 
Just for the sake of it I'm really interested what kind of weapons you all have experience with? What do you like about them? etc.

I've studied Staff (jo), Sword (bokken) and knife (tanto). Most of it in aikido regime, but have also attended to a lot workshops just on knife (organized by police, etc.).

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I actually wanna learn aikido. There is a school near my workplace, but being a (lazy) programmer kinda craps on everything.

If I had time to do 3-4 hours daily, I'd probably be a student or unemployed. Or both.

What you guys think about aikido?
Can you send me a link to their website? I've been studying Aikido for more than 10 years, although it's been mainly in Europe and Japan, but I do know a few excellent American sensei (if that's where you live).

I'm biased of course, but training Aikido has been one of the best choices in my life. But it depends on what you want out of it. It lacks in cardio and sparring (applied techniques), compared to other arts for example. But on the other hand it can be very culture and philosophy rich (depending on the dojo).
 
I'm technically a black belt in Taekwondo (instructor was Han Won Lee), but I received it when I was a teenager, so I can't say that I remember much of what I've learned : /

I'll keep an eye on this thread, because I've often thought about starting over with something new. Martial arts are a great way to stay in shape and meet new people.
 
For the non-martial arts inclined maybe a broad overview of the historical/cultural and fighting style differences between each of the art/combat types.

Downright impossible. There are more relevant subsets even in what people consider the "major" martial arts than i care to list. For example, Adam Hsu estimates there are ~200 established wushu/kung fu styles, without including hidden/proprietary family systems and such.

Thats why I didnt include a broad overview, itd be impossible to speak on it without leaving someone out so to speak.


Just for the sake of it I'm really interested what kind of weapons you all have experience with? What do you like about them? etc.

My training includes a bit of Da Qiang (big spear) training for intermediate practitioners. This thing is huge, and i have to keep it in my garage:

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Your camp sounds badass, Witchfinder. I went to one similar this summer to learn a little bit about Magui Baguazhang, definitely a fun weekend.
 
haha that was kinda all over the place - anyway, OP needs more Bullshido!

Heh. I have mixed feelings on this site. Lets just say there are good experiences and bad. A couple of the guys there are really chill, and have done tons of research etc... But a lot of them are dicks (
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a tip I can share for anyone thinking about getting involved in MA is to take advantage of free trial classes that most schools offer. some schools I tried were completely unsafe where beginners where sparring muay Thai with no safety equipment requirements. I saw guys kicking each other shin to shin, jaw punches to guys without mouthpieces, etc. safety should always be priority number one.
done.
 
Cool thread. Subscribing.

Put me in the "procrastinaton" school of martial arts... been way too busy with work to even find any spare time lately; but want to get into something for fitness purposes. I'm getting old(er), and can't commit to team sports due to work commitments.

Once things start settling down a bit work wise; I think I'm looking at some Muay Thai and BJJ; should suit my physique and background. Flatmate has just starting on a boxing kick lately; so will probably head down the gym with him a few times for fun and giggles.
 
Cool thread. Subscribing.

Put me in the "procrastinaton" school of martial arts... been way too busy with work to even find any spare time lately; but want to get into something for fitness purposes. I'm getting old(er), and can't commit to team sports due to work commitments.

Once things start settling down a bit work wise; I think I'm looking at some Muay Thai and BJJ; should suit my physique and background. Flatmate has just starting on a boxing kick lately; so will probably head down the gym with him a few times for fun and giggles.

We've all been there. There's nothing i hate more than getting busy with school or work and losing a lot of accumulated practice. It's a great frustration. The boxing would be a good foundation for your MT, at the very least you can learn to throw a good lead and cross, and develop your awareness of range/position.
 
For the non-martial arts inclined maybe a broad overview of the historical/cultural and fighting style differences between each of the art/combat types.
Oldie but goodie.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mcweigel/rmafaq/rmafaq1.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mcweigel/rmafaq/rmafaq2.html
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mcweigel/rmafaq/rmafaq3.html

You can also find a lot of broad information in the Wikipedia Portal, broken down by types, countries of origin, etc. Understand, though, that all it's very basic. The core problem is that the subject is very broad and very diverse, and there are 100 different, perfectly valid answers to some of the most basic question of "how do I punch someone?" That being said, there is a lot of historical information available for the "major" styles (like karate or judo). It's the esoteric ones that are lacking or simply not present.

As for me, I started with boxing in high school and in the service studied LINE (predecessor to MCMAP) and then later transitioned to MCMAP. After I got out, I studied Goshen Jujutsu and Ryobu-Kai Karate while at university because near where I lived and worked, there was a facility that taught both. After I got out of school and started working, my house and work were far enough away I ended up dropping the classes. I just wasn't getting anything out of it by going sporadically. I'm now studying Brazilian Jujutusu at a closer school, though they do some free "MMA-style" sparring (for lack of a better description), so it's not like I never get to use anything else I've learned.

I find that even if I'm busy or otherwise occupied with life, I operate better if I make time for training. It gives me a focus and drive in the rest of my life that I'd otherwise either not realize or simply squander.
 
Just finished class. We practiced forward rolls and backwards break falls. Oh sweet Jesus I'm in a lot of pain. I need a bath with the wife pronto.
 
I have been doing a technique in Australia called Toodokan for about a year and a half. I am loving the hell out of it!

Here are some videos of my master teaching a Tae Kwon Do school.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PL_xkujkvA

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeK3eTKsJI

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fBHV_hfgks

Here are 2 of our teachers doing some light sparring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3wKc8f4BY

It's a very mixed style that pretty much incorporates everything including knife and gun defences and ground defence and a lot of kick boxing incorporated.

My master has been doing martial arts pretty much his whole life and has been a bouncer for a long time. Took what he learnt in boxing, karate, tae kwon do, kick boxing etc and what he learnt in street fight brawling as a bouncer and created his own style.

I have a video of me in a tournament after having done only 2 initial sparring lessons but a bit scarred to show it. lol


*EDIT*
We've also had Benny The Jet come and train us too!
 
So, Fighting Fitness TV has been showcasing some basic jiujitsu submissions.

Using porn stars.

I prefer jiujitsu-pedia.

But girls are nice.
 

Damn, I'm gonna spend a lot of time reading this. Very informative!

Also, I'm very interested in martial arts since I'm beginning to get bored with running laps only. I mainly want to do it for my health and staying fit. I've never been into sports a lot but since I gave up smoking a while ago I really want to stay in better health. Somehow I think Martial Arts can help me with that.
However, I'm really a solitaire kind of guy, so something I can practice with myself or solo within a bigger group would be perfect.
Maybe what I'm looking for is not possible but Martial Arts that really focus on the human vs human aspect kind of turns me off... I'm totally not into the "violent" aspect of martial arts (not to offend people who are into competing though). So is there any style that caters to the growing (physical, and maybe mental through a certain philosophy) of oneself instead of defensive/offensive contact woth other people?
 
ive been doing bjj for 6 years now, brown belt, i love working gi but no gi is fun too. i would say that bjj is the best martial art because you can spar at 100% and as long as you are smart about it you can usually avoid getting yourself injured. ive never been very interested in striking, its to easy to get clipped and get hurt somehow and you cant spar striking 100% without putting yourself at risk of getting injured. whenever i compete at brownbelt now i know that im facing somebody who has trained a long time and has a high level of skill, so i can feel good about myself if i get a victory and i will probably see something i need to learn more about in the process. in amateur mma, at least where i live, its a total crapshoot and you never know what you're going to get. i would recommend jiu jitsu to anyone that wants to get a good full body workout and work on flexibility, as well as being able to REALLY spar on a regular basis regardless of your age or weight.

the best beginning jiu jitsu book i would recommend would be saulo riberos book, jiu jitsu university. i reference it sometimes when im teaching things or when im looking back over basics and early concepts that i might have overlooked or forgotten. i have 5-6 other books as well, like the essential guard and several gracie books, as well as machados book. i find myself trying to stick to doing basics perfectly every time now and not looking for small gimmicks and little bits of the grappling game that only come up every once in awhile.
 
I did Shotokan karate, and Goju-Ryu karate for the better part of a decade. Got my 1st degree black belt in Shotokan, and got a green belt in Goju.

In college I practiced judo for about a year, and it greatly improved every aspect of my MA ability.

I'm currently out of the MA loop, but I would love to practice a Chinese style of MA, or Capoeria. I'm pretty burned out on the Japanese styles.
 
I did Shotokan karate, and Goju-Ryu karate for the better part of a decade. Got my 1st degree black belt in Shotokan, and got a green belt in Goju.

In college I practiced judo for about a year, and it greatly improved every aspect of my MA ability.

I'm currently out of the MA loop, but I would love to practice a Chinese style of MA, or Capoeria. I'm pretty burned out on the Japanese styles. Though I would be interested in Jodo. Yeah, not Judo, but Jodo.
 
Damn, I'm gonna spend a lot of time reading this. Very informative!

Also, I'm very interested in martial arts since I'm beginning to get bored with running laps only. I mainly want to do it for my health and staying fit. I've never been into sports a lot but since I gave up smoking a while ago I really want to stay in better health. Somehow I think Martial Arts can help me with that.
However, I'm really a solitaire kind of guy, so something I can practice with myself or solo within a bigger group would be perfect.
Maybe what I'm looking for is not possible but Martial Arts that really focus on the human vs human aspect kind of turns me off... I'm totally not into the "violent" aspect of martial arts (not to offend people who are into competing though). So is there any style that caters to the growing (physical, and maybe mental through a certain philosophy) of oneself instead of defensive/offensive contact woth other people?

What are your fitness goals? Do you have any ideas of what might appeal to you? What are your local options?

also GODDAMN, chitownbuffalo
 
Good thread. I've actually been really interested in picking up a martial art but didn't know exactly what I should be looking for. This thread should help.
 
I have been interested in BJJ but its out of my price range... I hear a lot about the Alliance camp which is local to me so maybe sometime in the future when I am more financially stable... I just started training in Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu for a few months. I enjoy it very much for my instructor tries to teach real world applications while sticking with tradition. He also teaches some BJJ as well. The last 30 mins of every class we roll which is a great workout and the part I enjoy the most!

Also did Hapkido for 3 years. I still enjoy it as well.
 
What are your fitness goals? Do you have any ideas of what might appeal to you? What are your local options?

Well, for me it's mainly to keep my own fitness up and to have something different next to my standard running schedule (which is one day on-one day off). It seems a great way to keep the whole body in shape and in balance.
I'm not necesarily opposed to human versus human martial arts, but it has to have more of a philosophical basis for a healthy body and a healthy mind than that it is a way to be on the defence/offence in human encounters, like Krav Maga seems to be to me. I guess that is not really my thing.
There is a school in my town that teaches Wing Chun Kung fu, which sounds interesting, but on the site they do emphasise the human vs human aspect. However, I just found out that they offer trial-lessons so I'm definitely going to check that out.
I have to look around a bit more to know what is offered locally though.
 
What are your fitness goals? Do you have any ideas of what might appeal to you? What are your local options?

also GODDAMN, chitownbuffalo

I know. I was pleasantly surprised at the technical level. But I wish they would empahsize more stuff like hip movement and arm placement.
 
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