ENVY ME
If anyone's curious, I had this made for me by Dreaded Fist of Shoryuken.com's forums (www.shoryuken.com/forums). He's a good guy, and this stick is great!
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ENVY ME
If anyone's curious, I had this made for me by Dreaded Fist of Shoryuken.com's forums (www.shoryuken.com/forums). He's a good guy, and this stick is great!
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How much was it?
ArcadeStickMonk
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Maybe it's the angle, but I don't see a second Xbox cord coming out of that thing.
olubode said:
$205 CDN including shipping and the Xbox adaptor.
ArcadeStickMonk said:
Your eyes wouldn't be lying
I went for a PS2 PCB because I figure it'd be better adaptor-wise in general. Plus I already 3 PS2->PC converters, so it made more sense that way as well.Oh yeah, I can use my DDR pad on my Xbox now
ArcadeStickMonk
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Best of luck with all that. [/Seinfeld]miyuru said:
But I mean it. I absolutely do not believe in adaptors (or leprechans) and will not use them (aside from my Dual Shock on the PC). You'll probably be ok in most applications, with Live being the most sensitive.
If you wanted to think about it, you could check for input lag by starting a practice mode in a fighter with 2P control being a pad, and do the same move on both sides. Rapid pausing gives you a frame-step effect and you can check if one side consistently finishes first. If the stick\adaptor combo always loses, then you have lag; try another adaptor.
But the last thing I want to do it detract from your new-stick-high, so leave that thinking till your ready.
* EDIT: Ok, he sold you an adaptor? I trust his judgement, but if it was me I'd still check.
Not that I'd have an adaptor
Also, I don't have many pictures of DF's work (I've gathered a large reference of all the reputable builders), he doesn't post every unit he builds like some do. Any other angle you send along would be appreciated, and I'm especially interested in internal shots.
BTW, even though it's obvious, go ahead and list the parts you had installed, so the kids get the idea that parts are everything in a quality unit.
I doubt I'll be opening this badboy up :lol I'll post more pics tomorrow.
The adaptor I'm using is the Dreambox adaptor. It's well-known to be lag-free (well, as far as human perception goes sans the technique you mentioned above) when used with Dualshock PCBs. I didn't notice any lag. Parries were all fine in 3S, though then again I should try in CVS2 since the timing is more strict. Either way, I'm definitely playing better than I was with the pad. I play better on this stick than at the arcade, considering their sticks are always busted :lol
Partswise, all buttons are convex Happ. Start/Select are on the front of the cabinet so you can't see them in the picture. I think maybe I should've gone for Sanwa though, not really sure. Either way, they feel really nice. I chose Happ buttons because at the arcade, that's what they use on the 3S machine. However, those are *concave* but I'd prefer convex. Still, maybe I should've gone for the Sanwa, or not. Considering my indecision, I didn't lose out or anything
The stick is also Happs just like at my local arcade. It's a competition stick, which I was recommended. I definitely prefer American sticks to Japanese, not used to Sanwas at all!
Err thanks.......it's more just the lighting in the picture. Yeah yeah the table's messy and the carpet is from the '70s, but other than that it's just a bunch of videogames
The adaptor I'm using is the Dreambox adaptor. It's well-known to be lag-free (well, as far as human perception goes sans the technique you mentioned above) when used with Dualshock PCBs. I didn't notice any lag. Parries were all fine in 3S, though then again I should try in CVS2 since the timing is more strict. Either way, I'm definitely playing better than I was with the pad. I play better on this stick than at the arcade, considering their sticks are always busted :lol
Partswise, all buttons are convex Happ. Start/Select are on the front of the cabinet so you can't see them in the picture. I think maybe I should've gone for Sanwa though, not really sure. Either way, they feel really nice. I chose Happ buttons because at the arcade, that's what they use on the 3S machine. However, those are *concave* but I'd prefer convex. Still, maybe I should've gone for the Sanwa, or not. Considering my indecision, I didn't lose out or anything
The stick is also Happs just like at my local arcade. It's a competition stick, which I was recommended. I definitely prefer American sticks to Japanese, not used to Sanwas at all!
Inumaru said:
Err thanks.......it's more just the lighting in the picture. Yeah yeah the table's messy and the carpet is from the '70s, but other than that it's just a bunch of videogames
ArcadeStickMonk
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It's no big deal. It's not even a deal. There'll be no more than six screws holding the bottom piece in, I'm sure. The only way it'd be difficult is it he put rubber feet over the screws, but I doubt he'd do that.miyuru said:
It's just circuits in a wooden box, barely more complex than a lightbulb; but do as you will.
Yikes Monk are you mad at me? I purchased this stick so I could play some 3S, I'm not interested in checking out DF's wiring right now.
Anyway here's my current setup. I got too many cramps from playing with the stick on the table like in the above pictures. However because my TV's relatively low, this makes for a weird viewing angle
Anyway here's my current setup. I got too many cramps from playing with the stick on the table like in the above pictures. However because my TV's relatively low, this makes for a weird viewing angle
Marty Chinn
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miyuru said:$205 CDN including shipping and the Xbox adaptor.
Your eyes wouldn't be lying
Oh yeah, I can use my DDR pad on my Xbox now
Yikes that seems pretty pricey for a stick, especially considering what goes into one.
The parts themselves aren't very expensive, neither is the actual cabinet. It is pricey.
But I don't think I'd be able to make a stick this nice unless I had much more experience (currently I have no experience :lol). I didn't mind too much, and the wasn't a problem really. I'm thinking of it as an investment, I can enjoy all my fighting games much more now.
I'm planning on modding an Ani stick through ASM's tutorial this summer if I have time though.
But I don't think I'd be able to make a stick this nice unless I had much more experience (currently I have no experience :lol). I didn't mind too much, and the wasn't a problem really. I'm thinking of it as an investment, I can enjoy all my fighting games much more now.
I'm planning on modding an Ani stick through ASM's tutorial this summer if I have time though.
Synbios459
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Hey, no offense miyuru, but when was the last time you cleaned your room?
Ninja Scooter
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thats a fucking awesome cooler.
mr_sockochris
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miyuru said:
Get a Magicbox (play-asia have them), they're lag-free unlike the Dreambox.
Water Turkey
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http://www.cliffracer.com/store/index.php/cPath/27 Cliff Racer has the Magic Box, & used to have the Dreambox. And they are in the U.S.
edit: oops - "This adapter does it all! The Magic Box is OUT OF STOCK until early next week. Make sure you PRE-ORDER now to ensure you get yours at the best price on the net! Grab one today while you can!"
edit: oops - "This adapter does it all! The Magic Box is OUT OF STOCK until early next week. Make sure you PRE-ORDER now to ensure you get yours at the best price on the net! Grab one today while you can!"
Hellraizah
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But they are rarely compatible with a lot of PCBs AND their memory card socket does not work with the Xbox Live headset.mr_sockochris said:
I never noticed any lag by using the Dreambox.
ArcadeStickMonk
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I'm not gonna leave you hangin'.robojimbo said:
High fives and all that. To me, it's the insides that matter the most. Let's see 'em.
You want I should link you to the Byrdo case plans? They're pretty small, and a little out of style, but they work great for Sanwa builds.
Rectangles are getting popular over at SRK
^^ Dude's yahoo album apparently doesn't like direct linking ^^
evilromero
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Dude, what the fuck? That coffee table is hideous. Get rid of that thing.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
clean your room
ArcadeStickMonk
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^^^ That kinda bullshit response is why I went to my friend's well furnished and clean apartment for my shoots. ^^^
Thread's not about coffee tables, you buncha dicks.
Thread's not about coffee tables, you buncha dicks.
evilromero
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I was just giving some hip tips.
Ash Housewares
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miyuru said:
well someone has to
Haha I can't stay mad at you guys It's just annoying to have a thread derailed, that's all.
For the record, it's not like I'm saying the furniture here is the shit. Just frankly, I couldn't care less. Comfy couch, TV, and controller in hand. I couldn't care less about the coffee table.
'Course if this was my place, I would.
robojimbo: Nice work with the stick! I hope it plays nicely!
It's just annoying to have a thread derailed, that's all.For the record, it's not like I'm saying the furniture here is the shit. Just frankly, I couldn't care less. Comfy couch, TV, and controller in hand. I couldn't care less about the coffee table.
'Course if this was my place, I would.
robojimbo: Nice work with the stick!
I hope it plays nicely!
Ninjas4Less
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BUY A NEW TV AND JOIN US IN THIS CENTURY!
The Guivre
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I'll keep my present stick for now.
Just because I know ASM cares and I really don't, then again that's probably why he beats me all the time.
:lol
Just because I know ASM cares and I really don't, then again that's probably why he beats me all the time.
:lol
ArcadeStickMonk
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\bows before teacher
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
miyuru said:
Who said anything about redecorating? CLEAN YOUR ROOM!
Fongul said:I would gladly give up my first born or other assorted souls for a custom VF stick. Playing VF4 Evo with a Tekken 5 arcade stick is wrong on so many levels (at least for an old school Sega fan boy like me!) :lol BTW Catch, long time no see too
Holy crap! Jesus Christ! Damn... Joe, where did we first meet? Was it on IRC? I know it was back in '97 and I was using my NetLink on Saturn. Man, it's been awhile... Joe, I know you would know as you had some "insider" info even waaay back then- what's up with Sega? Have they been working on 360 titles all this time, hence the lackluster releases this past year? Is there something more to the Microsoft-Sega relationship that happened during the time of the rumours of MS buying out Sega? Or are they that out of it? I got my theories...
BTW, I don't build no more... the Sanwa rep cut off communication... and the tools are all back in Arizona, as I'm back in Hawaii.
Fongul
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Catch22 said:
NetLink power represent
As much as I want to know about the 'mysteries' that is Sega at the moment, I haven't talked to any friends on the inside for a while (not at least since I stopped writing for Gaming Age and that is 5 years ago at least) I just check Kikuzo like everyone else now (great site BTW) to get my heaping spoonful of Sega information (it's not like it used to be though...the glory days of Dave Z's page, Seganet and HCG are gone, along with Sega themselves) I'll probably see a few old friends at E3 in a month and see if anyone has the scoop (if Sega themselves doesn't break out some Megaton's themselves...here's hoping!) If you ever pick up stick making again though, just remember me as I want dibs and a few of my friends do as well (my one friend even has a VF tattoo...good stuff!) My VF love runs deep (deeper than my skill :lol )
ArcadeStickMonk
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Thank you
The obvious things
- Secure the PCB
- Do something to keep the cord from being pulled out
- Use wire ties
Less obvious things
- Use a little less solder on the PCB, but props on using the small contact points
- Consider soldering your wire to the QDs, never have to recrimp 'em
- Use a 1st party PCB, I'm reasonably sure that's not one
- Adjust the stick height with an inset, not even sure this is needed
The obvious things
- Secure the PCB
- Do something to keep the cord from being pulled out
- Use wire ties
Less obvious things
- Use a little less solder on the PCB, but props on using the small contact points
- Consider soldering your wire to the QDs, never have to recrimp 'em
- Use a 1st party PCB, I'm reasonably sure that's not one
- Adjust the stick height with an inset, not even sure this is needed
Days like these... said:
Look you assfucks, it's the fucking basement. I'm not going to post pictures of my fucking room, but I'm telling you right now it's definitely more modern than the rest of my parents' house, and yes, it's rather clean except during exams, etc. (papers/texts everywhere).
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Nice sticks everyone
How long have you been (or were you) making sticks for? They look nice.ArcadeStickMonk
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Thumbtacks probably won't be good in the long run because they have smooth barrels and will most likely pull out eventually. Most builders use wood screws, as there is usually some small hole in the PCB somewhere.
Only you can determine if the cord is secure enough as is, but you don't want to trip over the cord and rip the wires right out of the molex. That'd be a disaster.
To me, 1st party PCBs aren't about longevity, indeed, I never even considered that to be a factor. To me it's about ideals. Ideally, you use the exact PCB that the system wants; kinda just a matter of principle.
However, this is compounded by two things.
- 1st party PCBS have the most success with adaptors (you know how I feel about those)
- I have personally blown the controller ports of at least six PS2s by plugging in a 3rd party PCB while the unit was on. (hotswapping)
Now, most will deny that the PS2 hotswapping issue even exists, and indeed it was mostly during the first two years, so things may have gotten better.
If you believe the hotswapping threat, and you should, then you have probelm if you are playing with a group of friends and someone wants to use a pad instead of the stick, or vice versa. That means a reboot, and often a re-config.
^^ I can't stand that shit anymore ^^ So my sticks use first party PCBs so I don't have to worry about hotswapping, and I wire my buttons for the game rather than configure them via software. Truely plug and play.
Of course, that leads to a whole mess of dimensia about controller ideals and standards that probably aren't of interest to you. I wrote a lil book about it for Rastex once; he was polite about it.
Now, when I want a PCB, I hit the local EBs, Game Stops, Game Crazy's or whatever and search for used controllers. I've found at least half a dozen PS1 controllers this way, and never paid more than $4 for them.
I'm not above paying a premium if I have to though. Recently I bought a new Pelican stick for $40 to use the PCB in a project box. It breaks a cardinal rule as it's 3rd party, but I'll only ever use it for Xbox and Gamecube. No soldering on that one either, BTW.
Only you can determine if the cord is secure enough as is, but you don't want to trip over the cord and rip the wires right out of the molex. That'd be a disaster.
To me, 1st party PCBs aren't about longevity, indeed, I never even considered that to be a factor. To me it's about ideals. Ideally, you use the exact PCB that the system wants; kinda just a matter of principle.
However, this is compounded by two things.
- 1st party PCBS have the most success with adaptors (you know how I feel about those)
- I have personally blown the controller ports of at least six PS2s by plugging in a 3rd party PCB while the unit was on. (hotswapping)
Now, most will deny that the PS2 hotswapping issue even exists, and indeed it was mostly during the first two years, so things may have gotten better.
If you believe the hotswapping threat, and you should, then you have probelm if you are playing with a group of friends and someone wants to use a pad instead of the stick, or vice versa. That means a reboot, and often a re-config.
^^ I can't stand that shit anymore ^^ So my sticks use first party PCBs so I don't have to worry about hotswapping, and I wire my buttons for the game rather than configure them via software. Truely plug and play.
Of course, that leads to a whole mess of dimensia about controller ideals and standards that probably aren't of interest to you. I wrote a lil book about it for Rastex once; he was polite about it.
Now, when I want a PCB, I hit the local EBs, Game Stops, Game Crazy's or whatever and search for used controllers. I've found at least half a dozen PS1 controllers this way, and never paid more than $4 for them.
I'm not above paying a premium if I have to though. Recently I bought a new Pelican stick for $40 to use the PCB in a project box. It breaks a cardinal rule as it's 3rd party, but I'll only ever use it for Xbox and Gamecube. No soldering on that one either, BTW.
Reply or start a new thread........ ah what the hell...
Reading stick talk for a while on this forum, discovering VF4 motions that I can't do on a dpad, and large influx of tax refund money got me to get an arcade stick of my own. Although I'm perfectly capable of building/modding my own, I'd rather not go through the hassle... so I went and got a Hori RealArcade Pro. Ironically enough, I ended up having to perform a repair minutes after I opened the box, as the plastic mold for a button part wasn't cut cleanly making the button sticky. Still, the insides were suprisingly user friendly and I just had to file it down some, and now everything is great and I'm very happy with it. Having to relearn how to play 2d and 3d fighters, as I've never really used a stick for anything other than basic arcade games... but I'm finally starting to get it down somewhat.
Of course, it's been a blast playing Bubble Bobble, Metal Slug 2, and Gradius V with it too.
BTW, tested for lag with a radioshack psx-usb adaptor vs straight keyboard on linux... couldn't see any, but it's not like it'll really matter.
Reading stick talk for a while on this forum, discovering VF4 motions that I can't do on a dpad, and large influx of tax refund money got me to get an arcade stick of my own. Although I'm perfectly capable of building/modding my own, I'd rather not go through the hassle... so I went and got a Hori RealArcade Pro. Ironically enough, I ended up having to perform a repair minutes after I opened the box, as the plastic mold for a button part wasn't cut cleanly making the button sticky. Still, the insides were suprisingly user friendly and I just had to file it down some, and now everything is great and I'm very happy with it. Having to relearn how to play 2d and 3d fighters, as I've never really used a stick for anything other than basic arcade games... but I'm finally starting to get it down somewhat.
Of course, it's been a blast playing Bubble Bobble, Metal Slug 2, and Gradius V with it too.
BTW, tested for lag with a radioshack psx-usb adaptor vs straight keyboard on linux... couldn't see any, but it's not like it'll really matter.