I'd rather hear a 'it is short' compaint then 'too much backtracking', esp with the way this holiday season is shaping up. Btw, I just woke up fromt he perfect 'metroid' dream for a game. If I were an EGM editor and I had to review MP2 the day after I had that dream, I would give echoes a 5!
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New EGM Scores (Halo 2 = GTA:SA > MGS3 > MP 2)
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ImNotLikeThem
Member
TWO 10's AND A 10 WILL ONLY DO!Joe said:
Giving a 10 when you have a scale with .1 decimals (basically a scale of 100, but in fact worse...) is much more difficult than when you have a .5 scale. It's really hard to justify not to knock down the score a bit with that big of a scale when the game has some little but obvious flaws.thorns said:
skip said:
Lets see:
*Control Scheme - how is this a complaint from the original, since it should be the exact same control layout eh?
*Difficulty - After all the easy games Nintendo keeps releasing, if this one is challenging, then it shouldn't get docked for that, unless it got knocked for being too easy.
*Key hunting - Similar to the Chozo artifacts maybe? This one I do not know.
As for the total detachment from Metroid staples. Its been noted often that this game will be more about the Luminoth and the Ing and less about Space Pirates and Metroids.
skip said:
It makes me smile to hear that reviewers are saying a Nintendo game (retro is owned by Nintendo!) is too hard.
I didn't expect perfect scores for this game after (1) the sales of the first one (2) all the message board complaints about the control scheme (3) the lack of online multiplayer and (4) the release date right next two Halo 2 and GTA:SA.
Actually, from my POV, the MP2 demo leads hope to the 2 biggest staples of the series, sequence breaking and speed runs (specifically under 1 hour). As long those are present I will spend another 2 years playing the game. I really wish a Metroid Fantatic would review MP2, there are somethings about Metroid games most people do not understand.
Duke Juan the Beast
Member
I was kind of worried about that myself.skip said:
Would you still say it offers an interesting story? Or at least not something that pales next to previous Metroid lore?
Duke Juan the Beast said:
the worlds, characters, enemies, art, etc. are all awesome, and they feel like they belong in the metroidverse. but the story itself...is pretty much nonexistent. certainly not as interesting as something like metroid fusion when it easily could have been.
TheGreenGiant
Banned
Joe said:
IAWTP - the fact that all the top games score 9+ is great. All great games and all will be played in due time.
How did EGM score PM2?
Duke Juan the Beast
Member
I can live with that. The original Prime was fairly skimpy on story as well but that certainly didn't keep it from being one of my favs from this generation.skip said:
I take it you would agree with the opinion that anyone who enjoyed Metroid Prime will love MP2?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Funny how Metal Gear Solid 3 getting an 8.5 from anyone would have sent me into an irrational rage, but at 9.0 I'm perfectly fine. I have no complaints...this time. I was hoping to come into this thread and find something to bitch about, but everything seems in order.
I'll just mosey along then.
I'll just mosey along then.
rod furlong
Member
It's almost too bad isamu was banned. His outrun-related ranting and raving would have been a thing to behold.
Grubdog said:
It's all relative to the time period in which the game is released. When MP2 is stacked up against Halo 2, GTA:SA, MGS3, etc. it isn't going to get 10s. The first one shocked most because of how it made an unexpectedly great transition to 3D hence the 10s. Just because the scores are lower, does not mean the game is worse than the original.
What about Metroid III? That is still a 10 today, unless you hate games.MarkMacD said:
deadlifter said:
Uhhh I sure as hell hope thats not the case. That means you are not reviewing a games as it is and taking hype into concideration. Yes hype, seeing as you assume Halo 2 GTA and MGS are untouchable before you review them.
TheGreenGiant
Banned
Grizzlyjin said:
me, personally? I find it hard to contest a score of a game unless I've played it. Welcome ot the real world.
pill?
Mr_Furious
Member
ferricideferricide said:
worst reviewar evar !! !!! !
(Today, 12:17 AM)
Nuff said. :lol
Society said:
personally, I'd say not quite. MP being the first metroid in a long time, in 3D with awesome art, and it actually being a faithful metriod game (not compared to MP2, but to expectations that retro and FPS would suckify it)...I think it made more of an impact and a better overall experience.
and a pre-emptive shut up, doug!
Society said:
I'm talking about after they are reviewed, as seen by these scores. Of course how others rate these games will be different, i'm just trying to make the point that just because the game didn't score 10s again, doesn't mean it isn't as good or better than Prime.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
TheGreenGiant said:
Zuh? People do it all the time. I've seen people go nuts because they're favorite game (which they haven't played yet) got a low score. Look how many people are whining about the great score MP2 got...I'm sure all of them have played the full retail version. It's very common for people to feel upset when a game they are looking forward to is raped in reviews. You argue your point without playing the game easily. You take a bunch of developer interview and content and feature lists and say it should have scored higher. No point in fighting the truth, sometime people just expect a certain score. I'm not saying it's healthy, but it's how things go down. You're part of a dying breed, mister.
Now sex me.
TheGreenGiant
Banned
GashPrex said:
No one love R+C anymore. Make that 5 brilliant games in November.
JackFrost2012
Banned
Suppose that the game was called "Space Hunter" instead of "Metroid Prime 2" - would the score have been higher or lower?
If Nintendo had released a mediocre sequel last year and Echoes was actually Metroid Prime 3 - not 2 - how would that affect the score?
If the EGM rating system was based on increments of .1 instead of .5, would the game have scored higher than a 9.0?
Is it true that the EGM staff is close personal friends with Tommy Tallarico and that he may have influenced your score for Metroid Prime 2?
Warp Pipe plans to support Metroid Prime 2's multiplayer mode online - did EGM take this into account when scoring the game?
If Nintendo had sent better freebies along with the Metroid Prime 2 reviewable, would you have given the game a better score?
Did you play the entire game in progressive scan mode? If not, do you plan to rereview the game in a future issue of EGM?
If Nintendo had released a mediocre sequel last year and Echoes was actually Metroid Prime 3 - not 2 - how would that affect the score?
If the EGM rating system was based on increments of .1 instead of .5, would the game have scored higher than a 9.0?
Is it true that the EGM staff is close personal friends with Tommy Tallarico and that he may have influenced your score for Metroid Prime 2?
Warp Pipe plans to support Metroid Prime 2's multiplayer mode online - did EGM take this into account when scoring the game?
If Nintendo had sent better freebies along with the Metroid Prime 2 reviewable, would you have given the game a better score?
Did you play the entire game in progressive scan mode? If not, do you plan to rereview the game in a future issue of EGM?
For the last time.....
A score of a certain number right now cannot be compared to the same score from years ago. As games as a whole progressively get "better" the ante continues to be upped and review scores shift accordingly. If this were not the case than games that got perfect scores originally, and have sequels that are even better would have to get scores that are off the scale to keep the comparative balance(IE since halo 2 is better than 10,10,10 halo:CE, it would get something like 11,11,11). As expectations are raised, the value of the different scores needs to be adjusted.
A score of a certain number right now cannot be compared to the same score from years ago. As games as a whole progressively get "better" the ante continues to be upped and review scores shift accordingly. If this were not the case than games that got perfect scores originally, and have sequels that are even better would have to get scores that are off the scale to keep the comparative balance(IE since halo 2 is better than 10,10,10 halo:CE, it would get something like 11,11,11). As expectations are raised, the value of the different scores needs to be adjusted.
JackFrost2012 said:
One thing to take into consideration is that this is the very first review of Metroid Prime 2 that has been released and there have been very, very few (if any) significant impressions from the finished game, so naturally people are curious about some of the aspects surrounding the review.
skip said:
Thats the second (or third) you said it does not feel like a Metroid game.
After reading those Metroid Prime 2 websites, I am anticipating a Metroid game (not necessarily MP2) that does not feel like a Metroid game. I want one that deals with the space program and the early days of Samus (or Mackenzie King). A real Prime game, one that has a person going into space for the first time, using new technology like the morphball, early suits and prototype weapons. I want this game to be made.
Ok, it just means it has more things wrong with it than the other games.
I just want to know whats wrong.