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[Folder]

Please do, at least in short notes. I missed it the first time.

Argh!
In a nutshell, but refer to earlier posts for details.
We were shown marketing info from Capcom back in the autumn of last year.
It made specific reference to the Xbox version of RE4. No room for error, totally explicit - the game is happening. It was a release that needed the consent of all three platform holders.
Then. Nothing. Happened.
*shrug*
You can take this at face value. I generally conduct myself well in here and post in good faith.
I expect the game to be shown at E3. It has to be, given that it was definitely planned. Either that, or it's been canned.
If it’s not, then something must have happened.
Okay, tacos to eat now. Might be a problem as I managed to bite a massive chunk out of my tongue earlier today.
Folder am cry.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Bring it on Nintendo! -1 PSP sale if true.
Sony, get your machine out in Europe already!

 

[Ecrofirt]

I believe you.

How about you let me show her my Nintendo party anyway?

 

[bogg]

Done. No bannings at stake. Just your pride for a week. Everyone feel free to jump in. I make the avatar for my side, SantaCruzer makes the avatar for his.

Im with you speevy. No fucking way Nintendo will show the next gameboy at e3.
Maybe DS SP...

 

[Odnetnin]

Argh!
In a nutshell, but refer to earlier posts for details.
We were shown marketing info from Capcom back in the autumn of last year.
It made specific reference to the Xbox version of RE4. No room for error, totally explicit - the game is happening. It was a release that needed the consent of all three platform holders.
Then. Nothing. Happened.
*shrug*
You can take this at face value. I generally conduct myself well in here and post in good faith.
I expect the game to be shown at E3. It has to be, given that it was definitely planned. Either that, or it's been canned.
If it’s not, then something must have happened.
Okay, tacos to eat now. Might be a problem as I managed to bite a massive chunk out of my tongue earlier today.
Folder am cry.

:lol :lol

a bit different. OUR VERSION INVOLVED A DRUNKEN CAPCOM REP.

 

[Folder]

:lol :lol

a bit different. OUR VERSION INVOLVED A DRUNKEN CAPCOM REP.

We covered that too!
Read the threads.
That was in the original piece to protect the guilty.

Stef you big bastard. Who the hell told you Resi 4 was confirmed for Xbox?

Give us a bell, I just rang you but got a wrong number.

Ta,

*******

I would never usually share something like this, but the Rsi 4 thing is bigger than all of us. I liked the use of big bastard too!

Im with you speevy. No fucking way Nintendo will show the next gameboy at e3.
Maybe DS SP...

Salt with those words?
Just wait until the show.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Maybe a 360 port, increase texture resolution. For me that would be acceptable.

 

[btrboyev]

RE4 on xbox aint happening

 

[Odnetnin]

We covered that too!
Read the threads.
That was in the original piece to protect the guilty.

I was here when it happened. nevah forget!

Folder's been right on occassions though (the LOZ trailer) and he's been good - even kept to his word to not patronise GAF for a bit during the drinky mod incident. Didn't keep away for a month but he did stay away.

I say wait and see. The way Nintendo fucked themselves over this last gen, if we see GBnext... I'll seriously won't be surprised if its at E3. They're so going to be hated by DS owners.

 

[ksinghsf]

I too would be (very pleasantly) surprised if Nintendo decides to show the next Game Boy at E3. During GDC, GC Advanced managed to interview Reggie who said flat out the next Game Boy would NOT be at E3:

"Game Boy Next? What is this Game Boy Next? People keep talking about Game Boy Next here and there. We're still committed to focusing all of our priorities on the GameCube, our portable systems including the DS, and the Revolution. The next Game Boy will not make an appearance at E3. It's also way too early."

http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4533

 

[Folder]

I was here when it happened. nevah forget!

Folder's been right on occassions though (the LOZ trailer) and he's been good - even kept to his word to not patronise GAF for a bit during the drinky mod incident. Didn't keep away for a month but he did stay away.

I say wait and see. The way Nintendo fucked themselves over this last gen, if we see GBnext... I'll seriously won't be surprised if its at E3. They're so going to be hated by DS owners.

I hope you use patronise in the nice way.
And FTR, I am a shitload more confident in new GBA (in whatever form it may take) being at E3 than RE4X.

 

[Odnetnin]

I hope you use patronise in the nice way.
And FTR, I am a shitload more confident in new GBA (in whatever form it may take) being at E3 than RE4X.

I knew it

Spoiler

The Nintendo DSSP.

 

[Folder]

I too would be (very pleasantly) surprised if Nintendo decides to show the next Game Boy at E3. During GDC, GC Advanced managed to interview Reggie who said flat out the next Game Boy would NOT be at E3:




http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4533

Remember this exact quote from Two Year Reggie F in May.

And:

Fucking. Hell.

 

[ksinghsf]

Fucking. Hell.

:lol

 

[Odnetnin]

Remember this exact quote from Two Year Reggie F in May.

And:

Fucking. Hell.

you'd think they'd hire a more photogenic vp

 

[Hollywood]

Folder do you stil back the original story that the DS will become a PDA style machine also? You also said that. You just as confident that will happen along with the new Game Boy?

 

[captainbiotch]

I still think Nintendo is going to integrate their next handheld with Revolution, and offer some sort of downloadable game service. Internet, harddrive, connectivity, and gyroscopes. Well I hope at least =<

 

[mrkgoo]

What really will the next gameboy be? SOme wacko machine like the DS? Or is that third pillar material only? If it's going to be a traditional handheld to carry on teh GB name, surely it must be at least in the ball park with PSP. What will be its draws? Will it have multimedia capabiliities? Huge screen? Powerhouse graphics? Remember, the GB line is hugely popular because of its affordability and appeal to kids aswell - the number of times I've gone to some Asian restaurant and seen teh kids being quiet because of Pokemon in the slot fo their GBA/SP/CGB/Brick GB (yes even today) is untold. It'll have to be durable, and I suspect backwards compatible. For these reasons alone, I can't see it being a PSP-like device. Then again, make some killer app, and it's game over.

 

[Pedigree Chum]

People who bought DS'ss: NINTENDOWNED

 

[Folder]

Folder do you stil back the original story that the DS will become a PDA style machine also? You also said that. You just as confident that will happen along with the new Game Boy?

The strategy is brilliant, simple.
As the piece said, there will be music, art, PDA packages shown at E3.
Here's the deal: Is everyone a gamer? No. Could most people use/enjoy some sort of portable digital entertainment device? Yes.
The DS will become the games machine for poeple who wouldn't normally have a games machine.
Throw in the fact that's going to bo online, for free, then remember: Third pillar.
The way Nintendo is underestimated on GAF is astonishing, but its understandable to a debree - we're all gamers and DS, really, isn't a gaming machine for us. It's a gaming machine for everyone else.

People who bought DS'ss: NINTENDOWNED

Did you think of that all on your own?

 

[Acosta]

Actually I never thought Rev would be playable at E3, I thought that the "Revolution will be in the E3" meant just that, that they will show it. I believe that we will see the three of them (PS3, 360 and Rev), but only one will be playable.

About the next Game Boy... it would be surprising. If true it´s going to be a storm, hope the machine it´s worth. I keep thinking that I will be excited if it´s a GC portatile with a great screen. It would make sense with launching the next Zelda and Mario 128 in that system.

 

[soundwave05]

The DS is a bit too clunky/heavy for non-gamers though I think.

I dunno if they could make it smaller/slimmer but that would certainly help.

 

[_Angelus_]

This new GameBoy that might be shown at E3,its not the successor to the real to the GameBoy,is it? If so then yeesh,thats way too soon to be showing it off,even if its in the preliminary stages,because the DS isn't even a year old in the states.

 

[mrkgoo]

The strategy is brilliant, simple.
As the piece said, there will be music, art, PDA packages shown at E3.
Here's the deal: Is everyone a gamer? No. Could most people use/enjoy some sort of portable digital entertainment device? Yes.
The DS will become the games machine for poeple who wouldn't normally have a games machine.
Throw in the fact that's going to bo online, for free, then remember: Third pillar.
The way Nintendo is underestimated on GAF is astonishing, but its understandable to a debree - we're all gamers and DS, really, isn't a gaming machine for us. It's a gaming machine for everyone else.

that makes a lot of sense.

You know, it's entirely possible that the next game boy will NOT be backwards compatible. This will leave room for making into a psp-level powerhouse of a machine, much more inline with the 'gamers handheld'. It makes sense to leave the GBA game playing with the DS - making it very much the 'third pillar', in that it will ahve its own place alongside the GAmeboy and home console.

 

[Acosta]

The strategy is brilliant, simple.
As the piece said, there will be music, art, PDA packages shown at E3.
Here's the deal: Is everyone a gamer? No. Could most people use/enjoy some sort of portable digital entertainment device? Yes.
The DS will become the games machine for poeple who wouldn't normally have a games machine.
Throw in the fact that's going to bo online, for free, then remember: Third pillar.
The way Nintendo is underestimated on GAF is astonishing, but its understandable to a debree - we're all gamers and DS, really, isn't a gaming machine for us. It's a gaming machine for everyone else.

I think Nintendo it´s a very intelligent company, but their strategies hardly can compete when Sony or Microsoft decides to drops millions of dolars out the window, at least for keeping it´s share.

For consumer it can be a little confusing, DS was launched as a game machine, it´s certain that it has a very casual appeal (and it´s games are mostly very simple to control), but it wasn´t launched as a "game machine for not gamers", but a handheld. Nintendo better be prepared for a huge effort to explain and execute that strategy.

 

[Folder]

The DS is a bit too clunky/heavy for non-gamers though I think.

I dunno if they could make it smaller/slimmer but that would certainly help.

I disagree. Possible adopters who would usually be unsure about such technology need something of a decent size, something tangible. The DS is designed not be confusing and features the most generic consumer electronics aesthetic of any Nintendo unit ever.

that makes a lot of sense.

You know, it's entirely possible that the next game boy will NOT be backwards compatible. This will leave room for making into a psp-level powerhouse of a machine, much more inline with the 'gamers handheld'. It makes sense to leave the GBA game playing with the DS - making it very much the 'third pillar', in that it will ahve its own place alongside the GAmeboy and home console.

I doubt the new GB will feature a cart slot, though Nintendo could deliver GBA/GB game to solid-state memory via WiFi...

 

[Folder]

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=43648

 

[Izzy]

Let's say Stefan's right. In that case Nintendo face certain dilemmas. Hardcore games (myself included) will wholeheartedly embrace the new GBA - especially if it as/or more powerful than PSP. I'd love to play Wave Race (both GC rev and the N64) on such hardware.

But what will the early DS adopters say? Third pillar talk by Nintendo. That's fine and dandy with us, but many casuals (especially in Japan) have embraced the handheld thinking it was the next gen GBA. It's not like DS is a poor seller, either. It's been outselling PSP in Japan for the past couple of weeks, you know.

I'm not saying it can't be done. (having GBA Next and DS coexist) But Nintendo is certainly faced with the proposition of splintering their handheld userbase between DS and GBA Next. Will they be up to task? It remains to be seen.

 

[border]

If Nintendo was planning on turning the DS into a shit-quality PDA, they should have told people first.

 

[Pedigree Chum]

Did you think of that all on your own?

Nope, the inspiration came from your posts/site.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Simple things Nintendo can do to keep Nintendo DS viable when releasing a new Gameboy:

• Emphasis on software other machines either simply don't have, some that they can't have and some that they can't do as well: ie-
- • Art games
- • Music games
- • Smooth controlling FPS
- • RTS
- • Point & Click Adventure
- • Brain / Puzzle games
- • Non-liesure software (dictionaries, translators, PDA-like apps)

• Peripherals that enhance the DS further (GBA-slot option paks)
- • Rumble Pak
- • DS Camera & photo manipulation tool

• Exploit both DS and online plan
- • Make Pictochat into a fully fledged online Instant Messenger
- • Voice chat without need of any peripherals
- • An online community, demos, file trading, single-pak online gaming


If the next Gameboy was in the area of PSP in the graphics department or even higher, DS would still be a good home for developer vanity projects, games that other machines can't do, and for smaller developers who traditionally work with mobile phones and things like that (ie. Gameloft)

They can definately co-exist. In fact, I definately think they're going to.

 

[WordAssassin]

This new GameBoy that might be shown at E3,its not the successor to the real to the GameBoy,is it? If so then yeesh,thats way too soon to be showing it off,even if its in the preliminary stages,because the DS isn't even a year old in the states.

Who cares about how old the DS is? The DS is a third pillar. The DS is not a GameBoy. It's been almost five years since the GameBoy hardware has been upgraded.

If the next Gameboy was in the area of PSP in the graphics department or even higher, DS would still be a good home for developer vanity projects, games that other machines can't do, and for smaller developers who traditionally work with mobile phones and things like that (ie. Gameloft)

Exactly. The GameBoy line will be for traditional games, the DS line is for games you can't get anywhere else. You'll never ever see a game like PacPix or Yoshi Touch & Go on another system. That's what makes the DS a third pillar. Want quirky non-games? Get a DS. Want regular games? Get a GameBoy.

 

[border]

It's been barely two years since the Gameboy was upgraded...

 

[WordAssassin]

The GameBoy Advance was released in 2001. It's now 2005...that's four years. Next year it'll be five. The GBA SP is not a new GameBoy. I said HARDWARE, not case design.

 

[Folder]

Nope, the inspiration came from your posts/site.

A retort as witty as it is eloquent and cutting.
I will avoid tangling with you in the future, that’s for sure.
Thanks for bringing so much to the table of what has been really a rather good debate.

 

[border]

I said HARDWARE, not case design.

Actually, you said "hardware upgrade". Adding properly lit screen is a hardware upgrade. So is adding a rechargable battery.

At any rate, making people buy a new system for "traditional" games seems a bit hokey when you consider that the "traditional" titles would work just as well on the current hardware. Is Nintendo just going to jettison all the anticipated "traditional" DS games off to the next Gameboy, and tell developers to do the same? Pretty much all of their heavy hitters are not touch or dual-screen oriented (Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, Castlevania, etc).

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I don't think there'll be a new handheld, but a 'better' merging of the DS and GBA lines. A DS that accepts original Gameboy perhaps, with smaller form factor?

 

[Pedigree Chum]

A retort as witty as it eloquent and cutting.
I will avoid tangling with you in the future, that’s for sure.
Thanks for bringing so much to the table of what has been really a rather good debate.

Haha, I love you too.

 

[WordAssassin]

Ok, FINE, I'll play that game. Touche. Do you count the GameBoy Pocket as a hardware upgrade from the GameBoy Brick? It has a black and white screen as apposed to the lovely yellow and brown.

It's been almost five years since the GameBoy TECHNOLOGY has been upgraded. The GBA SP doesn't play games that the GBA can't. The GBA SP doesn't have any extra gaming functions over the GBA. No extra buttons, no extra power, nothing. They're the same tech, and it's been around for over four years. It's time for the GameBoy line to be upgraded again.

If they don't show the new GameBoy at E3 it'll be at SpaceWorld (or whatever Fall 2005 event Nintendo is planning) for sure. If there isn't a new GameBoy out by the end of 2006 I will be absolutely shocked and you can make me an avatar that says I'm an idiot or whatever it is the other people in this thread are doing.

If I'm right you have to wear an avatar that says "Assassinated by the Word Assassin" because that's fucking retarded.

 

[snapty00]

The next Game Boy should be identical to PSP except:

-Cartridge format but far larger sizes than we've seen thus far on DS
-Fewer buttons and switches (I don't see any reason for two separate volume buttons, Home button, brightness button, music-filter button, Wi-Fi switch, etc.)
-Two analog nubs
-480x320 resolution (slightly higher than the PSP and exactly double that of the GBA -- ensuring that GBA games can be played on it full-screen with zero distortion)
-8 hours of playtime for the most taxing games; 12+ hours for less taxing games
-The power of the PSP when its CPUs are locked at 222 MHz
-Touch screen (not freaking separate from the main screen)

 

[border]

I'm not making wagers 20 months into the future.....though I hope I'm not still posting here at the end of 2006

They'll introduce a new handheld sooner or later, I just think that this concept of splitting the market by game type is a poor way to go about it.

 

[HCgamer]

The next Game Boy should be compatible with every Game Boy game in existance GB, GBC, GBA and it should also be able to play those tiny Gamecube discs. The system would be more powerful than the PSP and have an enormous library of games right from the start.

 

[Speevy]

The next Game Boy should be compatible with every Game Boy game in existance GB, GBC, GBA and it should also be able to play those tiny Gamecube discs. The system would be more powerful than the PSP and have an enormous library of games right from the start.

That WOULD be awesome, but also ridiculous, costly, and ultimately improbable from Nintendo's perspective.

 

[soundwave05]

The next Game Boy should be compatible with every Game Boy game in existance GB, GBC, GBA and it should also be able to play those tiny Gamecube discs. The system would be more powerful than the PSP and have an enormous library of games right from the start.

I think discs are out. A GCN level chipset or even a directly portable version of the existing GCN chipset I could see though, but using a smaller/more portable card/cartridge format.

It also conserves battery power big time and would allow Nintendo to repackage/resell older GCN titles for the Game Boy Next ... stuff like Metroid Prime Collection, or whatever since you wouldn't directly be able to play your home games on it.

Plus there are other issues to the GCN disc thing ... most GCN games don't support widescreen, so that means the screen ratio would have to be 4x3 (bleh), but in the above scenario, they could just reprogram titles for a 16x9 GBN screen.

They should really push Game Boy Next to be as small as possible IMO. If it was a flip out design ala the DS, but say more along the lines of a thicker i-Pod in size, that might be a bigger selling tool than even better graphics than the PSP, because it'd be much easier to carry around (and consequently use for other functionality ... like say MP3 playback). The top half could be entirely a 4+ inch LCD display when folded out.

Size is so important. If they dump the GBA cartridge slot, that could make the system even smaller, although its kinda nice to have and can also act as an EXT. slot.

 

[God's Hand]

The new Game Boy could be a bit of a surprise showing at E3. Just like Zelda was last year. ATi might be doing some amazing things with the hardware. Can't wait to see if they show!

 

[Bluemercury]

The new Game Boy will be a bit of a surprise showing at E3. Just like Zelda was last year. ATi is doing some amazing things with the hardware. Can't wait to see what they show!

ATI on the new GB??that's news to me......

 

[evilromero]

The next Game Boy needs to have a touchscreen. Just one screen, but touch, because it just offers so much to the gameplay. Besides, there's no reason to believe it needs to launch this year. We may be looking at a June 2006 or later date. That gives the DS almost two years to churn out some soft.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I'd say probably expect it late 2006, at the earliest. They might even release it on the 6-year anniversary of the GBA, in June 2007.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

They should really push Game Boy Next to be as small as possible IMO. If it was a flip out design ala the DS, but say more along the lines of a thicker i-Pod in size, that might be a bigger selling tool than even better graphics than the PSP, because it'd be much easier to carry around (and consequently use for other functionality ... like say MP3 playback). The top half could be entirely a 4+ inch LCD display when folded out.

I wonder about the analog control, though. Thoughts are mixed on the effectiveness of PSP's analog nub. My thought on the best way to have a somewhat decently large analog stick(s?) would be to have dimples in a non-screen portion of the flip-top, so that they'd be able to have an extra centimeter or so of play with the height, yet fold down fine and thus not be a problem for the pocket. Something like this image, only imagine those dark circles up there actually look like recesses.

Anything with controls or screen like the PSP or even more advanced... well, I don't think it will be feasible to have anything take up as little space as the GBA SP again.

 

[GaimeGuy]

they could always just put in an analog pad instead of a stick or a nub. I think that would work