New Geist Interview
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Yes, right question.. also something to the extent of, "I played your game demo and christ it sucked arse, the only decent thing on it was the reminiscient scenes of Perfect Dark and even then it was pushing the envelope. Are you guys going to chuck a Rare/Silicon Knights and shovel this tripe onto Revolution then be led into a bottomless pit of shit afterwards?"Speevy said:
Operations
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I hope he's not serious.
System Shock and Metroid Prime are both great examples. I will at least try this game.Of All Trades
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It's been done. Messiah had better visuals, too.Mejilan said:
SpoonyBard
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Of All Trades said:
You're insane, Junior.
DemonCleaner
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haters shut fucking up.
the two demos alone were more fun than any single fps for ps2.
i swear
the two demos alone were more fun than any single fps for ps2.
i swear
ThongyDonk
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i think the visuals will be much better at release.
Also from what i've heard the posessions are still in the final build
Also from what i've heard the posessions are still in the final build
radioheadrule83
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People on this board are too fixated with this company having made a Mary, Kate & Ashley game in their history, even though turnover may mean there's completely different staffers at N-Space now. They also forget that the size of the company may have meant that was literally the only work they could get until this came along. AND they're also overly fixated with the graphics. Potentially its a very good idea, and it reamains to be seen how well or badly they've capitalised on it.
It sounds like they chose a poor demo for GDC in terms of character abililties. I'm betting the final thing will be better than decent.
God forbid anyone tries to make something other the 9 millionth generic war shooter, futuristic alien conspiracy, or endeavour into hell to kill everything on screen.
It sounds like they chose a poor demo for GDC in terms of character abililties. I'm betting the final thing will be better than decent.
God forbid anyone tries to make something other the 9 millionth generic war shooter, futuristic alien conspiracy, or endeavour into hell to kill everything on screen.
radioheadrule83 said:
I was just thinking about those things after reading the interview. I think people should definately keep in mind that Nintendo didn't hit these guys up because they wanted to one up Bungie and id software. Nintendo has been harping about creativity for the last few years, and projects like this is where they show that they aren't just selling PR bullshit but are actually supporting or developing interesting projects. I think Nintendo deserves some credit for taking the risk and partnering with N-space. Hopefully both companies will benefit from the final product.
Gaia Theory
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For someone that doesn't like fps games in general - ie: me - a game like Geist gives me a reason to try one out. I personally think the ideas sound really cool, so what if it's dog food that I'm possessing. It's not always going to be. I think this game could be cool - despite being 'crude' as the 'booth babes' describe it.
That just sounds awful. If he seriously thinks that is one of the better and more exciting/interesting ideas fro the game he can share with us, then this game is in SERIOUS trouble.
I know a lot of people are holding out in hopes that this game will deliver in being interesting and cool, but let's face it. The developer has a poor track record, the game seems to have awfully low quality control and budget as far as visuals go, the demos year after year have gotten mediocre to negative impressions, and from every interview they give the ideas just sound more and more silly as opposed to actually cool and interesting. That just doesn't sound good. Anyone actually trying to spin this any other way is really playing laughable damage control. Sure it's POSSIBLE the game might be more than decent, but lots of things are "possible", just also "highly unlikely".
For the people trying to defend this game, I have a simple question. Amid all the negative impressions this game is giving everyone, besides the idea sounding "interesting", is there ANYTHING remotely positive about the game at all that you can cite? It could be anything, but it has to be solid and real (ie: either based on your own actual experience playing it or something you've actually seen) as opposed to wishful thinking and optimism. Because I'm really not seeing ANYTHING that tells me this game is anything but utter mediocrity.
I thought the example sounded cool. What will make or break the game will be how much freedom you have to get past obstacles. You could use brute force by posses some soldier and blasting your way through, or maybe you can be more clever and do things like that keypad example.
If the game is going to be heavily scripted, then it will fail miserably. But there's isn't indication of that so far, so I hold out hope for an engaging experince.
If the game is going to be heavily scripted, then it will fail miserably. But there's isn't indication of that so far, so I hold out hope for an engaging experince.
It sounds awesome. Get over yourself. I would rather have a developer talking about possessing objects and indirectly influencing AI than "you play a marine and you're on a planet with aliens and you have 25 different weapons and you can drive a buggy". No thanks; at least applaud the attempt to try something unusual while it's still unreleased.duckroll said:
Or maybe they just have a taste for different ideas? n-Space should not be ignored just because they have an irrelevant track record and supposedly low budget for visuals. Judging a game by pre-release demos is also wholly pointless. This is the exact logic we always see showing up around controversial Nintendo releases (note: Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, etc)duckroll said:
It was also "unlikely" that a first person Metroid would be totally fawesome and rock everyone's ass, or that a celshaded Zelda would be anything but infantile. Oops.duckroll said:
Potential. Like any other game that is interesting to the people that keep up with it.duckroll said:
On the other hand, you're not giving any reasons for it to be anything less than good other than other peoples' impressions and your apparent disdain for innovative gameplay attempts within defined genres. So what's your point? You want to dislike the game for the sake of it?duckroll said:
JackFrost2012
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I'm with duckroll, Geist sounds embarassingly poor.
Rahul said:
So you're comparing a game that looks and sounds painfully bad with your version of a very generic FPS? Both are bad, the game not being generic doesn't meant it can't be stupid too. :lol
Point 1: No, but they should be ignored because they don't sound like they're bringing a good game to the table.
Point 2: I dunno about you, but I don't think anyone doubted that Wind Waker would be awesome and Metroid Prime might have been different and questionable at first but at least it LOOKED great. There was never a negative word on either of these games when they were shown. Your comparison is weak and you need a better one.
Celshaded Zelda *is* infantile. That doesn't mean it isn't fun and awesome. Another bad comparison.
Sure, but this game isn't remotely interesting.
No, in this day and age of me-too developers and generally low quality-control in the gaming industry, games are guilty until proven innocent. Sorry.
Hey, didn't you also say this game looks as good as Metroid Prime? You might need new glasses.
Gaia Theory
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Rahul - you have taken the words out of my mouth. Good show.
1) The Gamecube has more life left in it than many consoles, like you said, because of Zelda. Sony, through SquareEnix, has some life left too, with FFXII, KH2, and the Xbox, with the shortest life left, still has some good stuff coming. None of the consoles are dead yet, but if you had to pick one out, it would be the Xbox, as it will be replaced by the end of the year with Xenon.
2) Just because Nintendo lacks some 'multi platform' titles, doesn't mean the system is dead. So Gamecube didn't get Punisher, or Burn out 3, and lacked all Sega Sports... the list is actually quite bigger than this, but Nintendo has done a good job supporting their platform, and their have been a ton of really great exclusives. Not having EVERY SINGLE game isn't always a bad thing.
3) The Gamecube isn't dead, it will be supported until the Revolution debuts and slightly beyond, if you are to believe Iwata, the company president. I'll take his word for it, seeing how he runs the company.
4) It may be dead for you, oh wait, except for Zelda, which doesn't launch till the end of the year, so it's got at least that left in it.
A couple of things I want to address here:sirris said:
1) The Gamecube has more life left in it than many consoles, like you said, because of Zelda. Sony, through SquareEnix, has some life left too, with FFXII, KH2, and the Xbox, with the shortest life left, still has some good stuff coming. None of the consoles are dead yet, but if you had to pick one out, it would be the Xbox, as it will be replaced by the end of the year with Xenon.
2) Just because Nintendo lacks some 'multi platform' titles, doesn't mean the system is dead. So Gamecube didn't get Punisher, or Burn out 3, and lacked all Sega Sports... the list is actually quite bigger than this, but Nintendo has done a good job supporting their platform, and their have been a ton of really great exclusives. Not having EVERY SINGLE game isn't always a bad thing.
3) The Gamecube isn't dead, it will be supported until the Revolution debuts and slightly beyond, if you are to believe Iwata, the company president. I'll take his word for it, seeing how he runs the company.
4) It may be dead for you, oh wait, except for Zelda, which doesn't launch till the end of the year, so it's got at least that left in it.
My point is that it neither looks nor sounds painfully bad, and on top of that it's trying to add something to the genericity of the usual FPS by innovating a little/lot. So rather than being [formulaic FPS title] like so many other games are (to whatever extent of perfection you wish to stretch them), it's now [formulaic FPS title] + [attempt-to-innovate gameplay system]. That sets it apart for me.duckroll said:
They should never be ignored just because pre-release demos aren't amazing. You did that with Radiata Stories too and OOPSduckroll said:
Oh come on, back when WW and MP were revealed EVERYONE was up in arms about how they didn't connect to their expectations. Metroid Prime is not a completely revolutionary-looking title; it does the job and has nice effects. Geist looks about equivalent. It does not look crap. It looks fine and definitely vastly improved compared to its E3 2003 debut. To complain that Geist looks "crap" is to automatically infer that Metroid Prime and Halo 2 look crap. Which they do not.duckroll said:
It's really not infantile, considering much of the subject matter and development throughout. Faerytale scenario != infantile. Rugrats the Game? That's infantile.duckroll said:Celshaded Zelda *is* infantile. That doesn't mean it isn't fun and awesome. Another bad comparison.
I can see you subjectively not being interested, but I'm arguing that you shouldn't write off its potential just because what you have seen before its release is not involving for you. But why am I even trying? It's always the same with you!duckroll said:Sure, but this game isn't remotely interesting.
Then you lose, buddy. That's too bad, though. Keep playing Ridge Racer!duckroll said:
JackFrost2012
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I feel obligated to point out that "possessing people" is hardly a new or innovative mechanic. It's been done before in Shiny's Messiah, Omikron: The Nomad Soul, and Requiem. What do those three games all have in common? Answer: they all sucked.
Either characters are too similar and the possession mechanic accomplishes nothing, or the characters are too specialized and the gameplay becomes too cutesy and scripted.
Possessing dog food might be new, however. Unless that was in Haunting starring Polterguy.
Either characters are too similar and the possession mechanic accomplishes nothing, or the characters are too specialized and the gameplay becomes too cutesy and scripted.
Possessing dog food might be new, however. Unless that was in Haunting starring Polterguy.
The Abominable Snowman
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IMO, this game sounds like it'll be horribly overscripted.
Yeah I know, I'm not implying that it's some unheard of revolution in FPS gameplay. However, it's certainly not the norm in current FPS titles. Metroid Prime avoided the norm by focusing on adventure, but it could be argued that previous FPS titles have done the same, making its attempts at being unique pointless. On the other hand, MP does what it does so well that it virtually redefines whatever extent of an "FPA" genre there was beforehand. Perhaps, though I'm not saying "it definitely will", Geist is looking for that same angle.JackFrost2012 said:
I just think judging a game by, like duckroll brought up, the "stupidity" of an example situation is a waste of time. With this kind of mechanic, the quality of the game is generally entirely dependent on the breadth of implementation that the mechanic sees. If n-Space can come up with a lot of interesting applications and challenges, then I see no reason why average graphics or other thusfar exposed attributes of the game should in any way affect the overall quality. I didn't think Metroid Prime was impressive visually, but it sure blew me away in terms of level design complexity.
As an example, I'd mention Viewtiful Joe. VJ is basically just a platformer with a "gimmick". It could have been a very uninteresting gimmick that just made fighting a little more fun, but it's not -- the gimmick is painted all over the game from platforming to puzzling, battling, boss tactics, etc. If Geist can pull off an array of integration to that extent, then I think it certainly has a chance of being more-than-average.
Pellham said:
Honestly, why are people so hostile to the game? The complaints/impressions I've seen have been almost exclusively about the visuals and such. Very little of the game's content has been revealed during the 2-3 years it's been in development. What exactly pegs the game as a guarenteed failure other than the fact that N-Space made some crappy license games?
Rahul said:
Yes, it really does.
Oops what? I'm never touching another tri-ace game again after SO3, it has nothing to do with how I feel about the quality of the game. You suck with comparisons, really.
What? I would like to know who this "everyone" was, sure as hell wasn't in here.
Yeah, I really wonder why you bother.... unless they're paying you. :lol
Good advice, I think I'll go play the HANDHELD game that looks better than Geist. :lol :lol :lol
I'm with Rahul. For point of fact, the only truly negative press this game has gotten is with THIS RECENT demo. This demo is indicative of a near-final game, as far as content goes. This was, in effect, the very first level of the game, BEFORE you acquire the powers and abilities that potentially will make this game a unique experience. It's not exactly like the FPA sub-genre is all that robust, on any platform.
The prior demos, though rougher looking, graphically, were tailored not so much to represent the early areas of a final game, but created to highlight the unique features of the later, deeper gameplay aspects. Contrary to that, this demo seemed to establish the initial story. If you combine the various demos that were released in the past, you can fairly realistically piece together a pretty optimistically hopeful vision of the game.
Will the final build live up to that vision? Who knows.
The only thing I know is that most of the impressions of the demo from 1 and 2 years ago (where people got to play around with the actual powers) were positive and optmistic, if occasionally cautiously so. So far, what I get, is that the game might have a fairly slow and generic opening area, but once you pass the first boss, it opens up. Sounds on par with the Metroid Primes, and that didn't hold those games up at all, imho.
Duckroll, you're a cool guy, but occasionally prone to overuse of hyperbole.
The prior demos, though rougher looking, graphically, were tailored not so much to represent the early areas of a final game, but created to highlight the unique features of the later, deeper gameplay aspects. Contrary to that, this demo seemed to establish the initial story. If you combine the various demos that were released in the past, you can fairly realistically piece together a pretty optimistically hopeful vision of the game.
Will the final build live up to that vision? Who knows.
The only thing I know is that most of the impressions of the demo from 1 and 2 years ago (where people got to play around with the actual powers) were positive and optmistic, if occasionally cautiously so. So far, what I get, is that the game might have a fairly slow and generic opening area, but once you pass the first boss, it opens up. Sounds on par with the Metroid Primes, and that didn't hold those games up at all, imho.
Duckroll, you're a cool guy, but occasionally prone to overuse of hyperbole.
Mejilan said:Duckroll, you're a cool guy, but occasionally prone to overuse of hyperbole.
Hey, I'm only saying how I feel about the game, which is rather extreme granted. But the stupidity of the game (again, my opinion) really OFFENDS me. When you have Rahul claiming that Geist looks as good as Halo 2 and Metroid Prime, now THAT'S hyperbole.
duckroll said:Hey, I'm only saying how I feel about the game, which is rather extreme granted. But the stupidity of the game (again, my opinion) really OFFENDS me. When you have Rahul claiming that Geist looks as good as Halo 2 and Metroid Prime, now THAT'S hyperbole.
That's true. It's one thing to say that a game looks good, meaning that it looks like it'll be a good, fun game, and another thing to say that a game looks good, as in graphically.
Geist will never win any graphical awards, but given the developer, I wasn't expecting much anyway. I'm just curious as to whether or not the game will provide a unique, fun, and well executed experience. It seems to control really well, and that's really the first major stumbling block, imho. The interface certainly seems intuitive also, according to the revelations from that recent interview.
I don't have very high expectations for the game, realistically, but I do have hope that it'll be a solid, varied experience.
JackFrost2012
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Mejilan said:
Ok I'm going to go on official record that if Geist comes out and kicks our asses like Metroid Prime and Wind Waker did, then I will photoshop an avatar of a duck eating crow and use it for 6 months. Until then, I will step on the game every chance I get until it is released and well, we'll see! :lol
evilromero
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Even I wish Nintendo would can this game and I'm the biggest N-whore on the board.
kobun to the rescue: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5136&type=wmv
Mejilan said:
Cube.ign said:
E3 2004
GC Advanced said:
GDC Hands-On
I just want to know where the optimism comes from, really. It looks awful. By all accounts it IS awful so far. And the only thing anyone has to be nice about it is that it has an "intruiging concept", which has NEVER EVER saved a game from being shitty before.