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[Particle Physicist]

You DO realize that you referenced "Nintendo" by name five times in that post...yet only spelled it correctly twice, right?

he also said 'this boards'

 

[radioheadrule83]

I think it'll look fine in comparison.

I'll betthis is nothing like DS <> PSP difference. Its a shame that until they show something thats probably the conclusion people will draw.

"Hollywood" for instance - i'm betting that has all manner of up to date shader effects, and maybe one or two Nintendo-specific quirks. Providing the games run at a fair clip, even lower poly counts shouldn't really matter too much if that is the case. They're not having to create games for 720p or higher as standard remember either.

 

[quetz67]

Nintendo will probably go for a dual core system with maybe some reduced frequencies to avoid heat problems. Maybe less RAM but a more efficient structure again. Probably about the same difference between Rev/360 as GC/Xbox. And that at a low costs one year from now.

 

[ThunderEmperor]

he also said 'this boards'

damn, its ok :lol

 

[dark10x]

Nintendo will probably go for a dual core system with maybe some reduced frequencies to avoid heat problems. Maybe less RAM but a more efficient structure again. Probably about the same difference between Rev/360 as GC/Xbox. And that at a low costs one year from now.

If the difference was as minor as the one that exists between GC and XBOX, the Revolution would be, for all intents and purposes, equal with XBOX360...and that probably isn't going to happen (for reasons ranging from heat, cost, size, etc.)

 

[drohne]

the lower resolution alone will keep it from being a proper next-generation console. i don't know if the gap from revolution to ps3 will be quite the gap from ds to psp, but it's clearly going to be much bigger than the gap from gamecube to xbox.

 

[Prine]

the lower resolution alone will keep it from being a proper next-generation console. i don't know if the gap from revolution to ps3 will be quite the gap from ds to psp, but it's clearly going to be much bigger than the gap from gamecube to xbox.

No point, they wont listen

 

[jett]

If the revolution has relatively the same power as the other two consoles, but at a lower res, that'd be enough for me(and for the majority of gamers, I assume). No HDTV in the near future for me.

 

[radioheadrule83]

the lower resolution alone will keep it from being a proper next-generation console. i don't know if the gap from revolution to ps3 will be quite the gap from ds to psp, but it's clearly going to be much bigger than the gap from gamecube to xbox.

Not necessarily. It'd be one thing coming out with a machine weaker than Xbox 360 to that extent this year.... but 6 months from now it's more of a 'thing'.

I mean none of us know for sure. You could be right. It could fall quite short of X360s mark, but I don't think it will. Not for people with SDTVs anyway. PS3 could be looming at that point in at least one territory, you never know, so I just don't see it happening to any great extent.

Hollywood will put out contemporary graphics, and Revolution will output graphics you can consider next-gen, whether its weaker than the other two or not. Thats just how I see it happening. I see screens and vids for games on the other systems, and no doubt I'm impressed, MGS4 blew my mind (I can't seem to get the ASX to encode for my PSP), but I'm not buying the hype that these are super computers. PCs will catch up in a couple of years like they always do. And I have no reason to believe ATI will start fabbing a chip thats behind the times for Nintendo.

 

[Taker666]

the lower resolution alone will keep it from being a proper next-generation console. i don't know if the gap from revolution to ps3 will be quite the gap from ds to psp, but it's clearly going to be much bigger than the gap from gamecube to xbox.

In the same way that the retro style controllers on Xbox360 and PS3 will keep them from being proper next gen consoles.

 

[Doc Holliday]

A small part of me wishes now that the PSP kicks the crap out of the DS after reading that

Im trusting Iwata on this one until i see the games. But i fear that nintendo might be crazy enough to actually just use the Gamecube specs next gen and count on the rev interface. Could you imagine the reaction to that?!

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Our goal is to attract the occasional players and especially the people who do not play or which is not interested by the video games

That's not inspiring. I don't really care about them having the least powerful machine, I don't think that matters much after the screenshot wanking is over. But I don't know why the hardcore, long-term gamer isn't as important to them whenever they talk about gaming.

 

[Akai]

Except Ninty's already confirmed that the Rev is more powerful than the GC... =)

Edit: And I have no idea what ass people are pulling this idea of "ignoring hardcore gamers"...If that were so then we wouldn't be seeing Metroid Prime 3 or Smash Brothers...And you wouldn't see Iwata and Miyamoto talking about balancing the Revmote controller so both non-gamers and current gamers could enjoy it...And since when do "non-gamer games" not appeal to gamers? I sure as hell enjoy Nintendogs and I'd love to get Brain Training if it ever makes it over here...

 

[djtiesto]

That's not inspiring. I don't really care about them having the least powerful machine, I don't think that matters much after the screenshot wanking is over. But I don't know why the hardcore, long-term gamer isn't as important to them whenever they talk about gaming.

Because, the non gamer/casual gamer market is much, much bigger - and potentially much more lucrative? It's sad, but us hardcore gamers* make a disproprtionately small customer base and there are very few companies out there exclusively catering to us (Atlus is one, certainly Activision and EA are not).

*depending on whatever your definition of hardcore gamer is, but I think it's safe to say if we're posting on a gaming message board we probably fit the definition

 

[Ruzbeh]

But i fear that nintendo might be crazy enough to actually just use the Gamecube specs next gen and count on the rev interface.

I swear... Everytime...

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Because, the non gamer/casual gamer market is much, much bigger - and potentially much more lucrative? It's sad, but us hardcore gamers* make a disproprtionately small customer base and there are very few companies out there exclusively catering to us (Atlus is one, certainly Activision and EA are not).

*depending on whatever your definition of hardcore gamer is, but I think it's safe to say if we're posting on a gaming message board we probably fit the definition

I know, I know and I agree but they take it for granted even though I'd guess that outside of children, the long time sentimental gamer is probably the main market for Nintendo. Obviously that's not the biggest market to get new people from (well...kids maybe ) but it seems to me that their speak and goals could intersect better.

Basically, the GC showed they weren't really meeting the needs of either party.

 

[Mihail]

That's not inspiring. I don't really care about them having the least powerful machine, I don't think that matters much after the screenshot wanking is over. But I don't know why the hardcore, long-term gamer isn't as important to them whenever they talk about gaming.

Yeah, I agree with all parts of your post. I don't know if it's bad translation, but I really can't imagine Iwata completely shunning existing gamers. I am guessing that he's taking it as a given that Nintendo will continue to cater to hardcore gamers which is why his speeches just discuss non-gamers. EDIT: :/ EDIT2: I just want a F-Zero sequel with extremeley, tight, responsive Rvltn controls and I'll be a happy man.

 

[Unison]

That's not inspiring. I don't really care about them having the least powerful machine, I don't think that matters much after the screenshot wanking is over. But I don't know why the hardcore, long-term gamer isn't as important to them whenever they talk about gaming.

Nintendo DOES see the analog attachment as a device designed specifically with hardcore gamers in mind, and they've confirmed that it will be packed in, so I don't know that you could really argue that they're planning on abandoning traditional or hardcore gamers.

 

[AssMan]

What about RE4 this generation? The game looks almost as good as any next generation game (real time gameplay-wise) and I'd be happy if REV. games look 3 times better than RE4. AM I RITE!?

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Nintendo DOES see the analog attachment as a device designed specifically with hardcore gamers in mind, and they've confirmed that it will be packed in, so I don't know that you could really argue that they're planning on abandoning traditional or hardcore gamers.

because all their interviews and even their justification for having a less powerful system is joined by their parrot call to get non-gamers playing their games? if an analog attachment device settles the issue for you, than you probably have little to be dissapointed about in the future.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I swear... Everytime...

Relax, i dont think they will do it. Im just saying it wouldnt surprise me.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

But i fear that nintendo might be crazy enough to actually just use the Gamecube specs next gen and count on the rev interface.

Of course the Revolution will use the GameCube GPU and CPU! Nintendo just gave millions to IBM and ATI for no reason, especially not to create an advanced GPU and CPU for their upcoming next-gen system, they were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs this entire time. :lol You people crack me up.

 

[SantaC]

No point, they wont listen

While you speak the truth, you might consider using that pic on yourself sometimes. (cue Rare or Xbox game thread)

translation, don't be a hypocrite.

 

[fresquito]

the lower resolution alone will keep it from being a proper next-generation console. i don't know if the gap from revolution to ps3 will be quite the gap from ds to psp, but it's clearly going to be much bigger than the gap from gamecube to xbox.

So, a regular TV will keep everone that have a PS3 or Xbox360 from playing proper next gen games? Nosense, I say.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Nintendo should just outright lie about all this crap for now, it would ease everyone's mind. I dont think it will be a generational difference at least not at first glance. If they really cut back on the specs they need to make ease of development their top priority. A "
low" speced system than is fun to hack could really go a long way.

 

[Gaia Theory]

the revolution's case is too small to accomodate big hot chips, it doesn't support hd resolutions, and virtually every nintendo employee you ask has been downplaying the importance of graphics. now the president of nintendo has come right out and said that it won't be as powerful as xbox 360 or ps3. and some of you still won't draw the obvious conclusion. :/

Get off your high horse. As much as you might like to believe it, not everyone cares about which system is more powerful. Through and through, most people, when it comes down to it, want the system with 'their' games on it.

 

[Ruud_Luiten]

Hm... I still haven't seen any next-gen game which is enormous better (graphics AND gameplay) then games of this generation.
A lot of games could even be done on consoles of this generation, with slightly less graphics. If that doesn;t change, I don't see why the next-generation will be any impact.

Plus: Revolution will ofcourse be more powerful than Gamecube. For me Gamecube graphics looks nice (with the last zelda photo's in mind). So, no problem ...

Personally I think this generation will NOT be about graphics. We've seen it all. Photorealism shall never be a reality, so new gameplay is what we need.....

 

[argon]

That's not inspiring. I don't really care about them having the least powerful machine, I don't think that matters much after the screenshot wanking is over. But I don't know why the hardcore, long-term gamer isn't as important to them whenever they talk about gaming.

When did they say that? They seem to be paying attention to hardcore gamers as well. In fact, Iwata specifically mentioned FPS games in his keynote address.

 

[Diffense]

YOU WILL SAY WOW!

 

[gamergirly]

typical Nintendo. shit, typcail babelfish at that.

people used to think PS2/xbox would push 70 Milllion + polys at one point, while GameCube would only push 12 Million Tops remember?

judge after you see the games.

As much as some are concerned with having a beast of a machine at the expense of selling your car to own it, let that point be brought back up......

PS2 didnt need graphics and power to outsell the competition, even after superior machines like GC and Xbox came out a year later. So, why is the Xbox360, PS3, and Rev race going to be any more different? It's not power achievement that determines the success of a console, it's the people that buy the games for it. Nobody is buying a PS2 bc it is technologically weaker than the Xbox just as few are going to be concerned with geek battles on the internet over which console is best......

So, why is it that a more graphical and powerful machine like Xbox is NOT outselling PS2? If people want power and graphics more than games, why is Xbox & GC being outsold several times over combined?

 

[imastalker co.]

night train or i mean phantomile, anything new on the rev you might want to share.

to hell with you guys :lol

im just kidding. although i've decided to keep my mouth shut for the most part. makes no difference though anyways, my word means nothing here anymore anyways. ; )

 

[Ruzbeh]

to hell with you guys :lol

im just kidding. although i've decided to keep my mouth shut for the most part. makes no difference though anyways, my word means nothing here anymore anyways. ; )

You're gonna spill the beans, Johnny... I swear... One of these days...

 

[Doc Holliday]

As much as some are concerned with having a beast of a machine at the expense of selling your car to own it, let that point be brought back up......

PS2 didnt need graphics and power to outsell the competition, even after superior machines like GC and Xbox came out a year later. So, why is the Xbox360, PS3, and Rev race going to be any more different? It's not power achievement that determines the success of a console, it's the people that buy the games for it. Nobody is buying a PS2 bc it is technologically weaker than the Xbox just as few are going to be concerned with geek battles on the internet over which console is best......

I agree with for the most part but we have one difference. The rev is coming out after the xbox 360 and more than likely after the ps3. If the rev controller and its games are something amazing to behold than it can put up a fight. But people are going to need a lot of convincing to buy another console esp if its "weaker" when the 360/ps3 are out already.
The ps2 came out one year ahead of the xbox and gc, it also had the advantage power wise over the DC. Not to mention it had a better brand than sega at the time.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

I think the fact that the Revolution GPU will feature Shader 3.0 similar technology, suggest that it will be a very capable machine. When it comes to raw power, it will fall short of matching the Xbox360/PS3 in this area. You may not see as many characters on screen at once, but whats there will look identical.

I don't think Nintendo will take a shortcut on memory.

 

[imastalker co.]

i will say though, that contrary to popular belief, Nintendo has taken hits on hardware launches. they lost about $50 on every GameCube at launch.

in the past, they've also managed to launch systems that came with revolutionary controllers, more powerful / smaller hardware, and $100 cheaper than the competetion. why can't they do that again?

you guys should know that Nintendo is just being modest as usual. the hardware will be more than adequate enough to compete.

 

[Ulairi]

Graphic whores post on the net. If Nintendo gets good games, people won't care.

 

[vitaflo]

That's not inspiring. I don't really care about them having the least powerful machine, I don't think that matters much after the screenshot wanking is over. But I don't know why the hardcore, long-term gamer isn't as important to them whenever they talk about gaming.

It wasn't important to Honda in the 50's when they introduced their underpowered small motorcycle. They had the exact same mindset as Nintendo does now, cater to people who have never thought about motorcycles and ignore the hardcore, and they steamrolled the entire industry back then.

I'm not saying the same thing will happen with Nintendo, I'm just saying it's not a flawed mindset to have. It's worked before.

 

[gamergirly]

I agree with for the most part but we have one difference. The rev is coming out after the xbox 360 and more than likely after the ps3. If the rev controller and its games are something amazing to behold than it can put up a fight. But people are going to need a lot of convincing to buy another console esp if its "weaker" when the 360/ps3 are out already.
The ps2 came out one year ahead of the xbox and gc, it also had the advantage power wise over the DC. Not to mention it had a better brand than sega at the time.

What does brand perception have to do with whether somebody is buying a console for its power? If that was the case, Xbox and GC would be outselling PS2. PS2 would be "known" and IS commonly known to not be as powerful as the other systems. Yet, it continues to outsell the competition.

If anything, power's a conceptial benefit to some but not the determining factor in the majority of purchases as history shows. After all, if the games turn out great and as exciting as Nintendo has said, who will care about the graphics for Rev? They'll be buying it for the games. Hardcore gamers' opinions are overestimated.

 

[Tony HoTT]

If it's significantly less powerful than PS3 and Xbox360 then we're basically left with Xbox graphics...

Which is not gonna happen.

I expect the graphics to be comparable, maybe not as good but to the untrained eye it won't matter.

 

[Timen]

i will say though, that contrary to popular belief, Nintendo has taken hits on hardware launches. they lost about $50 on every GameCube at launch.

in the past, they've also managed to launch systems that came with revolutionary controllers, more powerful / smaller hardware, and $100 cheaper than the competetion. why can't they do that again?

you guys should know that Nintendo is just being modest as usual. the hardware will be more than adequate enough to compete.

On a scale from nothing to everything, what do you know.

[nothing]--------------------------------------------------[everyting]

I'm just curious

 

[vitaflo]

If it's significantly less powerful than PS3 and Xbox360 then we're basically left with Xbox graphics...

You can be less powerful and still be quite a bit better than Xbox. DC was less powerful than GC, but it was quite a bit better than N64.

As long as it's more powerful than GC, I personally don't care. GC style graphics are still quite adequate for my tastes. Hell, SNES graphics are adaquate for me (see GBA), as long as the games are good.

 

[El Papa]

the revolution's case is too small to accomodate big hot chips, it doesn't support hd resolutions, and virtually every nintendo employee you ask has been downplaying the importance of graphics. now the president of nintendo has come right out and said that it won't be as powerful as xbox 360 or ps3. and some of you still won't draw the obvious conclusion. :/

I disagree, Iwata didn't come right out and say that. He said: 'If you want only to compare the design features of each console, Nintendo Revolution will probably not have the best capacities compared to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. However, if the player tries to connect the consoles on their televisions, it will not note large differences between the machines.'

What does that mean? Is he talking about graphics or other shit like a HDD, Blu-Ray/HD-DVD playback, etc.? The only time he mentions anything about grphics is when he comments about players not seeing a big visual difference on thier TVs. The only way we're going to know for sure about the Rev's power without seeing games is when we see a spec sheet or some kind of developer leak.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Satoru Iwata (Nintendo): 'If you want only to compare the design features of each console, Nintendo Revolution will probably not have the best capacities compared to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. However, if the player tries to connect the consoles on their televisions, it will not note large differences between the machines. Our goal is to attract the occasional players and especially the people who do not play or which is not interested by the video games, I do not think that to propose only better graphics would go for this type of anybody, because finally one would not see really the difference.'

Blind people, stupid people, and non-gamers. After the rev-mote thread, I'm starting to think this is what now comprises the current Nintendo demographic (ie. current Nintendo fans). Yup...I went there. :lol PEACE.

 

[imastalker co.]

It's worked before.

TO SAY THE LEAST.

to this day, the Honda Super Cub is not only the best selling motorcycle of all time, but it's the best selling vehicle of all time. 30 million sold world wide.

it's a flawless.

200 miles to the gallon bitches. i looooove super cubs. aka passports in the US. you can get one in near mint condition for about a grand.

 

[Ruzbeh]

On a scale from nothing to everything, what do you know.

[nothing]--------------------------------------------------[everyting]

I'm just curious

For reference, this is me:
[nothing]X-------------------------------------------------[everyting]

Blind people, stupid people, and non-gamers. After the rev-mote thread, I'm starting to think this is what now comprises the current Nintendo demographic (ie. current Nintendo fans). Yup...I went there. :lol PEACE.

:huge fucking roll eyes:

 

[GitarooMan]

Our goal is to attract the occasional players and especially the people who do not play or which is not interested by the video games

This is a fine business strategy, but I don't see how any gamers (i.e., most people on this board) can't be disapointed by this turn. Do people here really want simpler games? I mean all this talk about people not interested in games or occasional players seems like a big FU to "regular" gamers. Basically Nintendo is conceding that market to Sony/MS, and turning in another direction. I don't think it's a bad move by Nintendo business wise, but I'm surprised some gamers on this board are so happy about the strategy. I guess many people might just be jaded about gaming as it exists today....

 

[Zerodoppler]

Since the more powerful hardware of the other two consoles have yet to push out in game graphics that are wow-worthy to me, I can finally call BS on the tired Iwata quote.

 

[gamergirly]

Blind people, stupid people, and non-gamers. After the rev-mote thread, I'm starting to think this is what now comprises the current Nintendo demographic (ie. current Nintendo fans). Yup...I went there. :lol PEACE.

There needs to be a crying emoticon. For you if Rev expands the market. You'll have a hard time trying to tell new gamers that youre the "real" gamer

 

[Timen]

TO SAY THE LEAST.

to this day, the Honda Super Cub is not only the best selling motorcycle of all time, but it's the best selling vehicle of all time. 30 million sold world wide.

it's a flawless.

200 miles to the gallon bitches. i looooove super cubs. aka passports in the US. you can get one in near mint condition for about a grand.

oh, ignore me why don't you...

For reference, this is me:
[nothing]X-------------------------------------------------[everyting]

Yeah, Maybe I should specify this being about the hardware and software currently under development. On second thought, anyhone indicating they know anyting will be hunted down by frothing PM messages. But tease us and then keep your mouth shut

 

[imastalker co.]

On a scale from nothing to everything, what do you know.

[nothing]--------------------------------------------------[everyting]

I'm just curious

[nothing]---------------------------------------X-----------[everyting]

but don't take my word for it.