TheGreatLugia
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In Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon's postgame, you'll travel through Ultra Space with Anabel to take her back to the Battle Frontier, only to end up at the Battle Resort instead.
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They are humans that simply live in another dimension, which is something that the game had been building up since the Hoenn remake when they split the timeline into two half and Sun and Moon expanding on that.
Because the gen 6 games were rushed out of the door, so Game Freak cut corners.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
There are always complaints about removed features in Pokemon games, but this and the response the resulting backlash has to be among the worst things GF has done.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
I know X/Y and Sun/Moon both had a 3 year dev cycle. Can't remember if Black/White had a similar timeframe.
I'm also wondering how long HeartGold/SoulSilver took to make compared to Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire's 2 year dev cycle.
Can we dispense with that narrative. It is inaccurate.
Bobo Dakes
Member
More like 30% and most of those difference won't come until late game.
They seem to live in a world that "necrozma stole the light" from, and there is a futuristic citadel. I'd say they are humans form the far future.
Reminder:
"Q:Why wasn't the Battle Frontier in the remakes?
A:This question is connected with my previous answer. We didn't put the BF in ORAS for this very reason. Interviewer's note: In short he means that they didn't include the BF because only a very small part of the players would have fully appreciated and made use of this feature; nowadays players get bored and frustrated more easily and they aren't interested in things that are so demanding/challenging."
And then Joe tells us how this is actually a good thing, people don't really want a Battle Frontier.
The worst part is when I saw it I thought it meant it would be unlocked after some quests or something
In terms of sheer numbers...
Exactly as predicted.
That's such a poor excuse. By that logic there should be no competitive scene.
Why even do anything only less than 90% of your audience is interested in.
I mean you're right.
Don't know if you saw in the Community thread but I worked out that in VGC 2016/17, less than 0.2% of Pokémon Sun & Moon owners actually participated in a VGC event.
I agree that the Frontier or a Frontier-esque facility should be in the games as it's a cool thing for people, but I do get why it's not.
I remembered that right after I commented. Fortunately, 101 is a prime number.
With QR Codes it's way more accessible now. Maybe that way we can have a new BF.
I mean, that is an incredibly tiny percentage. But I think that stuff like the Battle Frontier can be a motivator for getting more people into competitive, which is surely in The Pokemon Company's best interest.
But I get why they're hesitant if the percentage of players willing to spend time on it is that tiny. Ah well.
I'm thinking of how the Distortion World was marketed.
SciencePilot
Member
This game is looking pretty good. I think I would buy it if I lacked other things to play, but there is enough coming out I don't think I can justify retreading large portions of OG Sun and Moon.
To be fair, the same applied to previous third versions besides Black and White 2.
ArchedThunder
Banned
When Pokemon become Tron
This art is the raddest shit.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
The Player looks pretty buff in that art lol.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Battle Frontier is about gimmicks.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Honestly all I really want is the Battle Factory, getting to use pre-trained Pokemon I otherwise never would is fun.
The Shadow Knight
Member
Benefits of chucking all those Pokeballs.
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I'm a bit bummed about UB Assembly's typing. The other one has a decent typing at least.
WonderRade
Member
soooooo just like in smash bros, all those items and non-competitive stages and special modes
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
soooooo you think smacking a sandbag makes you want to be involved with the competitive scene
And to top it all off the biggest game in the world right now is an INCREDIBLY demanding shooter. I know that the audiences are different, but I really think GF downplays how much of their audience are actually older because we've been playing since we were kids. If you look at the competitive subset; there are FAR more Masters than Juniors or Seniors at any event, they really should do the research because I would be willing to bet that this correlates with the wider audience of the games.
So?
People enjoyed it and having some variety made it more inviting and accessible than more limited battle facilities.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
nice edit, so you agree to the notion that Battle Frontier pushes people into VGC?
I think the Battle Facilities in general do that, but the Battle Frontier actually having more meat than just standard gauntlets of single and double battles makes it easier for people to get into and enjoy. It's why people keep asking for the idea to return.
Because nostalgia in these games is too strong.
Honest answer. Sun and Moon didn't do it for me and the concept of Ultra Beasts doesn't do it for me. I don't care for venturing into their turf to catch them all and assuming it's post game content I haven't liked what Pokemon has done with post game content since B/W 1 and 2. Also I've been craving a surprise like revisiting characters or old areas but multiple years later in Pokemon ever since Gen 2.
It'd be cool if Ultra space was some sort of parallel to the main adventure with a story and a deeper world to explore. That might actually raise my excitement.
I just think I've been playing these games too long and I need a break until I see the next generation of Pokemon come to fruition on better hardware.
Exterminieren
Banned
Nah, afraid I dont agree. A new endgame dungeon for dealing with the cover legendary, new postgame content for catching legendaries and new antagonistic characters that you encounter throughout a mostly-similar main quest maps pretty directly onto Platinums improvements over Diamond and Pearl. A few new mini games doesnt change that.
Not even touching the Battle Frontier, either.
WrenchNinja
Member
My favourite dumb answer is their excuse for not having trainer customisation in ORAS.
Slamtastic
Member
When Pokemon become Tron
As much as I am lukewarm about the ultra games, this is an amazing piece of artwork.
The most depressing part is seeing the in-game representation of this and it's not even close.
I guess it's kinda cool that Necrozoma seems to be outright evil, for a change.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I wonder if they'll be wild Pokemon living in the Ultra Spaces?
I mean, I know it's alternate dimensions, but maybe some random Pokemon got sucked in and now live there? It'd be cool if there's a lot of high-level, full-evolved Pokemon hanging around.
It seems there's humans in them, because I'm pretty sure that one area from one of the old trailers that looked like a Japanese-style forest was Karatana's Ultra Space, and you can make out what look to be rice paddy farmers.
I mean, I know it's alternate dimensions, but maybe some random Pokemon got sucked in and now live there? It'd be cool if there's a lot of high-level, full-evolved Pokemon hanging around.
It seems there's humans in them, because I'm pretty sure that one area from one of the old trailers that looked like a Japanese-style forest was Karatana's Ultra Space, and you can make out what look to be rice paddy farmers.
When Pokemon become Tron
Someone edit Decidueye out of the picture and it would barely look like it's from a Pokémon game.
I know, it also look pretty tall for someone that's supposedly is 10 years old.
Yeah that was stupid as their reasoning was "Oh it's a Kalos thing and that the original Hoenn game didn't have it."
You know what else wasn't in the original Hoenn game didn't have Game Freak? Fucking Mega and Primal forms.
Though my favorite dumb answer from Game Freak was why Tembo the Badass Elephant wasn't on the Wii U, now that topped the cake.
WonderRade
Member
The formula for getting someone into a competitive scene is to simply a take someone who loves a game and convince them they could do well competitively. Thats it.
Smash built its competitive scene, before there was online play, on the notion of "hey im better than all my friends", i could do well! The reason they had this thought was because they had hours upon hours playing the game with their friends, and having all these modes and options only incentivizes people to continue to spend time actually playing the game. Heck, even in a Mega smash or playing on a banned stage there still can (and often does) exist a feeling of competitiveness.
A battle frontier done right provides a great incentive to a variety of team building, and continue using the pokemon they got through the main game. If I had my wish it would be the absolute core upon which the notion of taking a "casual" and making the a "competitive player" would be founded.
Would anyone here argue that the arcade mode in overwatch made the game any worse or less competitively minded?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I heard you're talking shit about my mosquito bro
they should edit Decidueye out of the game
GiantBreadbug
Member
Bad Opinion®
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I know right? Shitting on Buzzwole and promoting Decidueye are bad opinions.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
I'd be more excited if it was a single third version like Platinum. The reveal of two versions made me think it would be more drastically different like Black 2 and White 2. I know the games are still a month off, but from the B2/W2 map alone I could tell the original region was being heavily reworked.
Best trailer yet, I think I'm finally convinced to buy this. Haven't bought a 3rd version since Emerald.
And wow, UB Adhesive actually looks normal compared to the other UBs. Err, or more accurately, I just like its design the most.
Ya I know I apparently missed out on B/W2 and Platinum, oh well.
And wow, UB Adhesive actually looks normal compared to the other UBs. Err, or more accurately, I just like its design the most.
What.
Don't talk shit about my precious daughter.
Back on topic, I find myself more excited than before about these games, so I guess the trailer did its job. We're in TRON now. I ain't even mad; it looks sweet.
NipplesAndToes23
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UB Adhesive looks like a real pokemon.
AlexFlame116
Member
I'll be Camp Pheromosa.