Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Last time Sony showed its console before MS no?
And so?
Does it matter?
I don't think so.

People are really trying to read the situation as they want to.
I believe - Sony has everything planned for a long time and will do what they think is right.
They didn't seem to be pressured by MS to reveal their design.
 
The heating issues are too detailed to be completely manufactured. IT's a fact that Sony is reluctant to showing the PS5 even at this late stage and has only presented slides and (non sustainable) spec numbers numbers so far. Something is going on.
PS4 form factor was revealed around E3 time, there is no "late stage", stop giving things for granted like you are some CEO, you know shit for sure as the rest of us.
Also "too detailed" lol have you any idea of how many INCREDIBLY DETAILED leaks have been made about PS5 and SeX on this thread? They were all false. If some stranger with a basic knowloedge of hardware wants you to believe something, he will make you believe at all cost, it's exactly what fake experts do on any matter: throw professional words around and pretend to consider many details. Also the TWO fake renders we got on PS5 were very believable, another guy was saying "no it's impossible that someone actually take the time to do this on blender, gotta be real". Guess what?
I suggest everyone to calm down and do not flip flop ideas on any leak for the sake of mental health. Leaks on such extremely complex and high-level matters are simply not accurate at all, this is not a random game or fucking Modern Warfare 2 remastered being leaked, it's the foundation of an entire division that makes bilions, even leaks as Github are not completely accurate as we saw.
 
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That's it boys pack it in, PS5 just lost the war... /s

Fastest AND most powerful... they really are going into this head strong and it makes me wonder if indeed they are actually paying for creation and spread of FUD on forums if they are marketing against PS5 with 'fastest' messaging. Some people claimed GitHub fiasco was bought and paid for, to create FUD and make PS fans root for impossibly high TF figures only to be left feeling bad when official announcement came. The insider debacle could also make sense if MS planned that strategy and now going all in on console war themselves.

Well, PS brand is giant so I don't see them winning this generation either.

That's it, sums it up.
 
PS4 form factor was revealed around E3 time, there is no "late stage", stop giving things for granted like you are some CEO, you know shit for sure as the rest of us.
Also "too detailed" lol have you any idea of how many INCREDIBLY DETAILED leaks have been made about PS5 and SeX on this thread? They were all false. If some stranger with a basic knowloedge of hardware wants you to believe something, he will make you believe at all cost, it's exactly what fake experts do on any matter: throw professional words around and pretend to consider many details. Also the TWO fake renders we got on PS5 were very believable, another guy was saying "no it's impossible that someone actually take the time to do this on blender, gotta be real". Guess what?
I suggest everyone to calm down and do not flip flop ideas on any leak for the sake of mental health. Leaks on such extremely complex and high-level matters are simply not accurate at all, this is not a random game or fucking Modern Warfare 2 remastered being leaked, it's the foundation of an entire division that makes bilions, even leaks as Github are not completely accurate as we saw.
Yes the form factor was revealed around E3 time but by February of 2013 we had seen gameplay of Knack, Killzone and Driveclub. You're conveniently forgetting to mention that. It's not just that we haven't seen the form factor, the hardware isn't finalised and developers have confimed having received at least 3 different devkit iterations by now. Does that sound like a manufacturer that is facing late cycle design issues to you? All I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case based on the information available and it's not just those youtube comments although they bring an enormous amount of detail around the theory of the cooling issues.
Finally don't forget that the github leak was mostly thrown in the middle of the garbage pile alongside all the other leaks although Digital Foundry had independently verified the XSX part of it. Yes people "leak" what they want to see leaked but also people "believe" what they want to believe.
 
No .ps4 console form factor was shown june 2013. Ms showed it may 2013.
Strange. I'm pretty sure Sony had an event before MS in 2013. That's right. It was to show us gameplay of Knack, Evolution's Driveclub and Killzone Shadowfall. A guy from Quantic Dream was on stage in FEBRUARY to tell us that "With the PS4, there's no more limitation. The only limitation is your imagination" (looks like the lack of hyperotimised SSD was still kind of a major limitation not related to my imagination after all, if I believe the latest hype).
Notice a difference between 2013 and 2020 now? Don't worry I know you did all along.
 
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Yes the form factor was revealed around E3 time but by February of 2013 we had seen gameplay of Knack, Killzone and Driveclub. You're conveniently forgetting to mention that. It's not just that we haven't seen the form factor, the hardware isn't finalised and developers have confimed having received at least 3 different devkit iterations by now. Does that sound like a manufacturer that is facing late cycle design issues to you? All I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case based on the information available and it's not just those youtube comments although they bring an enormous amount of detail around the theory of the cooling issues.
Finally don't forget that the github leak was mostly thrown in the middle of the garbage pile alongside all the other leaks although Digital Foundry had independently verified the XSX part of it. Yes people "leak" what they want to see leaked but also people "believe" what they want to believe.
Just saying that even github, that is probably the closest thing possible to an accurate leak regarding the console, wasn't that accurate nor complete at all, let alone the rest.
We have no idea how devkits are NOW, devs also reported that PS5 devkits are more advanced than SeX. Who's wrong? Who's right? Both? What is the majority? What more advanced means? How PS4 devkits were handled? The fuck we know?
MS didn't show anything either, aside for old games and a cut scene of Hellblade (plus form factor, yeah). But to me it's evident Sony could show at least some old games as MS did, but didn't for some reasons. If they have almost 100 games working on PS5, how there isn't at least ONE with 5 minutes of stable and presentable gameplay? Maybe not the whole game is compatible, but there is not a single cut you can take from there? I personally don't believe it. Maybe I'm wrong, but it was Sony choice for some reason. We will see.
 
Last time Sony showed its console before MS no?
No, they didn't. Microsoft showed the console at their reveal event in May 2013 (the infamous "Xbox, watch TV" one).

Sony didn't show how the PS5 looked until their E3 conference in June, even though they already had a console presentation back in February.
 
Do you think that if I would quote Dictator to remind him this I would be banned too? :)

Timestamped: PS5 is not going to have hardware-based ray tracing



This guy and the Microsoft have been heavy with their FUD. They know they've shown all their best cards and they're empty-handed now. We're gonna enjoy our regular global dominance with the PS5 yet they spend all their energy spreading BS.
 
… To sum it all up, right now I am cautiously excited for the PS5 however I am going to wait for more Information about every other detail about it and especially about exclusive games for PS5 before I'll buy it, and not to forget - I really hope they'll release a PSVR 2.0 also. I can't wait for VR to get mainstream in Hardware and Software.
I'm pretty much here as well. I'm sure the PS5 will be amazing and have amazing games - but I'll wait for PSVR2 and get a PS5 Pro so I have the best VR experience. And by the time that's available, I'll have a nice healthy back catalogue of exclusives to sink my teeth into.

Hard to tell, X360 was their biggest success no doubts, however the 512MB RAM thanks to Cliffy B and Gears as well as RROD failures cost them quite a lot, but on the other hand, forcing a paid online on not even dedicated servers they had to supply but on P2P protocol basically gave them shitloads of free money month after month, year after year, for like a whole decade, as oppose to PS3's free PSN. It would even explain why they wanted to force the "always online" concept so much with XB1.
Don't forget as early as 2009, the PS3 lost Sony well over USB$4 Billion. In fact, some of NeoGAF's own 'in the know' members declared it the worst financial disaster in the history of gaming. The old rumour was that the Playstation 3 lost Sony all of the profits from the original PlayStation and the PlayStation 2 combined. The original Xbox lost money, but Microsoft turned a profit from the 360, and the Xbone. But, Microsoft has never made "PlayStation" money off their Xbox division. Will the Series X turn the corner? Frankly, I'm doubtful. I think they'll climb to 360 heights, but only if Phil's gamble on the new first party studios pays off. And I think the "Always Online" was Mattrick's and Balmer's strategy. They didn't want success, they wanted control. They didn't want loyal customers, they wanted customers who couldn't escape. That was Microsoft's MO for decades - lock you in. People forget the kind of shit Gates pulled during his run as CEO, and the absolutely brutal tactics employed to monopolise their markets. But, the current CEO Satya Nadella runs a much different ship, and Phil Spencer runs Xbox the way gamers have been asking for it to be run. So, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is their generation. If the rumours of Sony's troubles with the PS5 - BOM, cooling, corona virus delays - hold water, maybe the stars will align. Of course, rumours are that Halo Infinite is edging towards further delays and might not make launch... so knows?
 
Dictator just issued a press release:

Utter Trash Neogaf - this place is utter trash.

OMG. How about you quote what I actually said. I said PROBABLY wont have it. Checkmate bitch.

How about this NeoGAF moderation! Please do something!! I have been up all night because of this Sony fuckboy correcting me. All I wanted to do was downplay consoles, and now I have to get people like nib95 banned for quoting what I said even though I was the one who asked him to quote me.

I am being harassed on twitter by the Technical Art Director at Naughty Dog who hurt my feelings so bad I cant sleep at night, and browse gaf and era all night even though I said I am taking a break. Yes, as you can probably tell, when I said something, be it about ray tracing, SSD or leaving forums forever, i mean the complete opposite.

Gaf just shot themselves in the foot. I dont think you know much about the insufferable PC master race culture (I am an expert), but downplaying consoles and crying to mods is a huge part of it. If you screw someone over in our community, we just turn to our distant cousins and unleash the full wrath of xbox era discord who will show up here in droves reporting every post, asking all of my posts to be threadmarked, engaging Micorsoft MVP mods and offering me gratitude and blowjobs for being brave enough to spread FUD about Sony consoles.

Mods, please ban this fake italian Rusco Da Vino or kiss my account goodbye.

This is very satisfying to read, it's like a poem. Good work, Rusco Da Vino Rusco Da Vino :lollipop_tears_of_joy:
 
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Strange. I'm pretty sure Sony had an event before MS in 2013. That's right. It was to show us gameplay of Knack, Evolution's Driveclub and Killzone Shadowfall. A guy from Quantic Dream was on stage in FEBRUARY to tell us that "With the PS4, there's no more limitation. The only limitation is your imagination" (looks like the lack of hyperotimised SSD was still kind of a major limitation not related to my imagination after all, if I believe the latest hype).
Notice a difference between 2013 and 2020 now? Don't worry I know you did all along.
Lol are you OK? U make no sense haha.

U lied and I corrected you . Xbox showed the console first and sony waited till June 2013 to show it .end of discussion. Dont lie and spread fake fud next time.thanks
 
Lol are you OK? U make no sense haha.

U lied and I corrected you . Xbox showed the console first and sony waited till June 2013 to show it .end of discussion. Dont lie and spread fake fud next time.thanks
No amount of selective reading or name calling can change the fact that Sony was bragging about the PS4 in February 2013. You can put the sword down, warrior.
Your favourite toy maker dropping the ball shouldn't engage you this much emotionally. Jim Ryan wouldn't give a damn about you if it was the other way around lol.
 
No, they didn't. Microsoft showed the console at their reveal event in May 2013 (the infamous "Xbox, watch TV" one).

Sony didn't show how the PS5 looked until their E3 conference in June, even though they already had a console presentation back in February.
I obviously meant "revealed", "presented", "introduced", whatever happened at the Playstation meeting event from February 2013, months before MS revealed/showed/presented (whatever is allowed) the Xbox One.
 
No amount of selective reading or name calling can change the fact that Sony was bragging about the PS4 in February 2013. You can put the sword down, warrior.
Your favourite toy maker dropping the ball shouldn't engage you this much emotionally. Jim Ryan wouldn't give a damn about you if it was the other way around lol.
Dropping the ball?
PS4 has 3 exclusives coming, Sony got no interest in showing PS5 native games. If anything MS should have drop Infinite gameplay already, they are the ones who should go even harder, they didn't do anything special either considering their position.
 
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If PS5 is sold at $400, we don't even need to bring xbox into the discussion. It'll be DOA, it will sell half of what it sold this gen. When big talk starts with huge games on the table, we are gonna enjoy the juicy games that xbox can't even dream of. Enjoy Pirates of the First Star at 4K@120fps.

If the PS5 is $500 and XSX is $400 (not gonna happen) then XSX "might" sell around 40mil in 7 years.
 
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Yes the form factor was revealed around E3 time but by February of 2013 we had seen gameplay of Knack, Killzone and Driveclub. You're conveniently forgetting to mention that. It's not just that we haven't seen the form factor, the hardware isn't finalised and developers have confimed having received at least 3 different devkit iterations by now. Does that sound like a manufacturer that is facing late cycle design issues to you? All I'm saying is I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case based on the information available and it's not just those youtube comments although they bring an enormous amount of detail around the theory of the cooling issues.
Finally don't forget that the github leak was mostly thrown in the middle of the garbage pile alongside all the other leaks although Digital Foundry had independently verified the XSX part of it. Yes people "leak" what they want to see leaked but also people "believe" what they want to believe.

Okay so your first attempt trying to make Sony look bad failed because you were talking bullshit so now you are looking for another angle to reach your goal.

Yeah try harder.
 
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If PS5 is sold at $400, we don't even need to bring xbox into the discussion. It'll be DOA, it will sell half what it sold this gen. When big talk starts with huge games on the table, we are gonna enjoy the juicy games that xbox can't even dream of. Enjoy Pirates of the First Star at 4K@120fps.

If the PS5 is $500 and XSX is $400 (not gonna happen) then XSX "might" sell around 40mil in 7 years.

Oh boy! be prepared for the replies.
 
Oh boy! be prepared for the replies.

Yes, globally, xbox is an inferior brand with one of the most hated brands behind it.



 
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Well, point to you, I appreciate the honesty actually.
I do agree that MS should start showing next gen gameplay very soon. They dont' have the Last of Us 2 or GOT that they could overshadow by doing that nor do they have equivalent games coming out on the One, even if I'm very impatient for Grounded and GamePass is giving me an insurmountable backlog.
The good news is Phil indicated in yesterday's IGN interview that the issue they have going forward is not having enough time to give the deserved marketing to all the Xbox games in the pipeline.
 
I obviously meant "revealed", "presented", "introduced", whatever happened at the Playstation meeting event from February 2013, months before MS revealed/showed/presented (whatever is allowed) the Xbox One.

They've showed the Controller in February, but not the Console. But don't forget, Sony is talking about PS5 since last year.
 
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If PS5 is sold at $400, we don't even need to bring xbox into the discussion. It'll be DOA, it will sell half what it sold this gen. When big talk starts with huge games on the table, we are gonna enjoy the juicy games that xbox can't even dream of. Enjoy Pirates of the First Star at 4K@120fps.

If the PS5 is $500 and XSX is $400 (not gonna happen) then XSX "might" sell around 40mil in 7 years.

PC plays all XSX games. I doubt it'll reach 40 mil even if it comes $100 cheaper than PS5. That's overly optimistic. I mean:
  • Xbox does not sell in Asia and Japan.
  • It sells less than 10% in Europe.
  • IGN poll which has mostly US audience has overwhelmingly chose PS5 over XSX.
 
As gamers, we care about the games, the main issue is fanboys boasting about Gamepass yet it only gives good value but not good games necessarily.

Sony took over with ease because of MS's early hiccups and truly varied and diverse exclusives. This should be the argument but once both show something for their respective consoles.
 
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PC plays all XSX games. I doubt it'll reach 40 mil even if it comes $100 cheaper than PS5. That's overly optimistic. I mean:
  • Xbox does not sell in Asia and Japan.
  • It sells less than 10% in Europe.
  • IGN poll which has mostly US audience has overwhelmingly chose PS5 over XSX.

This post makes me feel bad for Xbox. It's like that little kid who's a genius and has a good heart but whom nobody likes just because he's not cool, hip, and snazzy.
 
XBONEX and PRO is closer in Design, no ESRAM, the gap is 43%, the results ehhhhh! certainly not as good and consistent for the bigger badder wolf on paper.....Now for next gen the PS5 is 17% less in TFLOPS, but whilst everything was faster on XBONEX vs PRO on paper.....PS5 has several elements faster than Series X and it has lots of custom silicon that was designed to simply eliminate bottlenecks...........PS5 is the interesting piece of kit to look forward to....If Cerny's vision proves successful at runtime and I'm confident it will, you can expect many future XBOX designs to go Cerny's route, perhaps even Series XX or XXX........See how MS dropped the ESRAM. they've now added a share button on Series X and an audio Jack...They will follow the leader eventually...
 
As gamers, we care about the games, the main issue is fanboys boasting about Gamepass yet it only gives good value but not good games necessarily.

Sony took over with ease because of MS's early hiccups and truly varied and diverse exclusives. This should be the argument but once both show something for their respective consoles.
Sony had shit exclusives for several years. It was hardware and Microsoft bad PR that destroyed them. The good games did not come until 2-3 years in. Sony has the best studios out there but it took them time to get moving. I just hope Sony has more ready this time in the first 2-3 years from the big dogs.
 
Just being curious. Do Microsoft and Sony engineers acquire units of one another's consoles to evaluate their performance relative to their own, respective consoles? If so, do they go out to a store and buy one / order one online like a regular person? Or do they acquire one via other means, perhaps even before they're officially released?
 
If PS5 is sold at $400, we don't even need to bring xbox into the discussion. It'll be DOA, it will sell half what it sold this gen. When big talk starts with huge games on the table, we are gonna enjoy the juicy games that xbox can't even dream of. Enjoy Pirates of the First Star at 4K@120fps.

If the PS5 is $500 and XSX is $400 (not gonna happen) then XSX "might" sell around 40mil in 7 years.
I dont think MS is going to sell more than 25M this gen since there is no point to upgrade from XBX, the lack of exclusivity for 2 years, and because all their games would be playable in PC.

In any case, with all info available right now, I could conclude that MS has built a very powerful mini standard PC that is going to be filled with AA games. I would not say that is going to be an empty box because there will always be games like CoD, Fifa, etc to boost sales, but, man, it is going to be hard if they dont match Sony's price.

I could be quite wrong, I am not an expert, but then you see the twiter of Matt Booty with MiniCraft and It does not invite me to be very optimistic :messenger_grinning_sweat:

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Sony had shit exclusives for several years. It was hardware and Microsoft bad PR that destroyed them. The good games did not come until 2-3 years in. Sony has the best studios out there but it took them time to get moving. I just hope Sony has more ready this time in the first 2-3 years from the big dogs.

Infamous second son was an excellent game and a near launch title.

Killzone SF was also arguably the best online shooter around at launch. The SP wasn't very good tho.
 
Been reading a lot and was going only PS5 this gen but have been playing loads of "Ori and the Will of the wisps" on PC and have been hankering to play in the living room. If Xbox has more games like this then I see a fourth attempt at owning and Xbox in my life.

Darn PS5 and series X gonna cost me a lot.
 
Infamous second son was an excellent game and a near launch title.

an excellent game if you like awful controls, terrible collision detection, super repetitive gameplay and if you never played one of it's vastly superior predecessors.

all that was excellent about it were it's graphics, everything else was just bad.
 
an excellent game if you like awful controls, terrible collision detection, super repetitive gameplay and if you never played one of it's vastly superior predecessors.

all that was excellent about it were it's graphics, everything else was just bad.

Repetitive side missions sure but the gameplay itself was flawless IMO.
 
an excellent game if you like awful controls, terrible collision detection, super repetitive gameplay and if you never played one of it's vastly superior predecessors.

all that was excellent about it were it's graphics, everything else was just bad.

This is not true, I guess you simply didn't like it's game play.
 
Repetitive side missions sure but the gameplay itself was flawless IMO.

the gameplay was just as bad.
for example, in order to reload your powers you can suck smoke out of broken cars... now, you can melee attack a car in order to reload there.

but what happens if you do that, due to the awful gameplay, is with every melee attack you do on that car, the game tries to push you towards the car. which can often result in you clipping inside it, which then results in the game pushing you on top of the car.

so the simple act of replenishing your ammo basically, is so fucking tedious and broken it's kinda funny to be honest.

ontop of that, the collision detection on many world objects is absolutely awful, resulting in tedious platforming and traversal.

both Infamous and Infamous 2 were vastly superior in every way possible. Second Son was very obviously rushed and all they actually cared for is that it looks good when it hits store shelves because a new generation needs shiny new games that look the part.

that's what usually happens with launch window titles, look at fucking Ryse... what an absolute disaster of a game... but it looked nice!
 
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I was watching this video and came across a pretty convincing and alarming post about the PS5. What do you guys think?

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This reads like many of posts I've been reading on GAF from XBOX fans......Who is this person here on GAF, reveal thineself….

This article states exactly what I was trying to say, game developers will have to get used how to utilize these new specs and we will probably see some awesome results because of that. However we should'nt expect too much.

Because even if they can now use more assets and so on , someone will have to produce them. That takes time, time is money/cost. Open World games already take several years and hundreds of people to create, so ressources are limited. To be honest, I would probably bet on Rockstar Games to utilise these new specs in a new GTA, if they knew about the next gen specs early enough.

Oh boy this covid-19 shit virus is already doing so much harm and because of this quarantine stuff I've got way more time and that means time is only moving forward slowly, which makes waiting for the new console generation ( or even real news about it ) even more tedious. ( Yeah 1st world problems I know )
I think artists will be happy, whilst now lots of their work goes on the chopping block, next gen, most of their work, their more ambitious designs will make it in.....I very much doubt its an issue where they wont be able to produce as much content, since they produce lots of content even now, which gets chopped...

PS5 is also much easier to triangle, so it's also important to realize that development on PS5 has been made much easier over all previous consoles, there are less bottlenecks, so development is going to fly, the transpositions from the artists and level designers will be fluid.....Less time worrying about constraints and bottlenecks, more time creating content and advancing complexities and more ambition in game and level design, character design, map design etc....I think it's going to change everything and how devs go at it.....So it's looking like game design is going to evolve, it will change significantly for the better.....Devs see that, that's why they are so excited for PS5 and next gen in general......Like anything else, some devs will be more ambitious and are more talented than others, so expect some really impressive improvements from Santa Monica, Guerilla and ND nextgen as far as design complexity…..
 
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