sonomamashine
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My man !
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Shmunter
Member
Xbox can mandate whatever they want as the platform holder, it's their platform.
As clearly quoted by JAMMA, what they have said thus far points to games releasing 2 years into XSX still being playable on their current gen systems, nothing has been said to draw distinction between 1sr, 2nd or 3rd party.
Not pleased in the slightest about this messaging, and I welcome some evidence to the contrary or at least a statement that is clear enough to make that interpretation.
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Evilms
Banned
Hey guys,
I was thinking about the case of the XSX and some things don´t add up. For example the ports on the back are in the middle of the machine. Most ports are soldered directly to the mainboard. When you think about the case, you will came up with something like this:
What do you think about that?
scie
I was thinking about the case of the XSX and some things don´t add up. For example the ports on the back are in the middle of the machine. Most ports are soldered directly to the mainboard. When you think about the case, you will came up with something like this:
- I don´t think the ports are soldered on a riser card. It would increase the cost to produce instead of using one single board
- You can clearly see, where the bluray drive will be. Just flip the case
- the PSU doesn´t have to be massive. You can get a 750W SFX PSU in 12,5cm x 6,4cm x 10cm size, so it can be easily at that position
- the cooling block can also be a massive size like 10cm x 10cm x 15cm given the case size of 30cm x 16cm x 16cm
- I think on top will be a fan pulling hot air out
What do you think about that?
scie
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Obviously talking about first party output. Third party games will look the same on every platform with only resolution differences.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
It can't be, I've written the message twice with the translator and twice it has been accidentally deleted. I will summarize a lot.
Sorry, I have not quite understood what BS means.
When I say it is irrelevant I mean in this specific case. Obviously TFs are important.
But when you have a TV 8k 50" everything looks very clear. Wonderful. But if two TVs of 50" of 16k and 17k appear, the difference between their resolutions will become irrelevant and their respective image filters will be more important.
Your eye will not notice the difference between 16k and 17k. If they were 16k and 32k with the appropriate panel it is possible that you noticed the difference. But is not the case.
That is why I say that the differences in this case will be given by other characteristics. Like hardware and software (by type of project, developer and budget).
Logically I also understand that the owner of a 17k TV will always boast that it is sharper than that of 16k, but in practice it will hardly matter.
I do not know if I explained well. That's why I say that the war will be marketing.
PS. I hope that no TV lover has been offended by my rude example. I know that not everything is so simple like a resolution, but it was simply to exemplify a situation.
Cheers (I hope the translation is good because the original has been deleted again)
Sorry people and BGs I miss read you... you're right.. consoles being that close TF won't matter..
With this said with the information circulating and knowing SONY I think PS5 will be more heavy customized machine.. made with love and care by Cerny with the solo purpose of being the ultimate games machine... so curious to see this little gem..
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'm going with 12TF team so I can be disappointed and maybe understand what my father meant when he said he was so disappointed in me and my decisions.
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#me2 but 10 TF for PS5, XSX = 12 TF
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Once again, they never said they would do crossgen for two years after XSX. In an interview from middle of November 2019 Matt Booty said that they would do cross gen titles for the next year or two.
"All of our games... will play up and down that family of devices" – Xbox's Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it - MCV/DEVELOP
We catch up with Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios,
www.mcvuk.com
It would be easy to think that Microsoft's veritable army of developers would be targeting the Series X's launch day. But Booty agrees with us when we propose that this will be a very different kind of console launch, with first-party games being compatible across all Microsoft's hardware, existing and new, ending the usual platform reset we've seen in the past with such launches.
"As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices," Booty explains. "We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we're committed to them with content."
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ResilientBanana
Member
This is one of those biased arguments where people are trying to grasp at straws as to why Xbox is fucked outside of them having the power crown.
Games are scalable these days, it's all good.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Well, those insiders have said that since E3. Where Reiner reported that he heard that at that point PS5 was faster than Xbox. And that's true, because Xbox devkits didn't exist back then, they only launched in November. So while PS5 was using Ariel and Oberon devkits at that point, Microsoft was at best still using PCs with target specs. And surprise, the best Navi based GPU available at that time was
5600 XT: 36 CU, 1.75 GHz, 8 Teraflop
vs.
Ariel: 36 CU, 1.8 GHz, 8.3 Teraflop
vs.
Oberon: 36 CU, 2 GHz, 9.2 Teraflop
The more powerful 5700 XT didn't arrive until a month after E3.
Damn, suddenly Sony is in that exact same ballpark that Reiner reported. Except he didn't account for the fact that actual XSX devkits were not out yet.
Later "insiders" then just went with what Reiner reported to pretend to be credible. Or simply were fed information from back then, but they don't necessarily have newer information just because they say it later.
Shmunter
Member
You're quoting a journalists extrapolation of the situation, the actually quotes from MS do not support his reasoning. Check JAMMA post on previous page, he already addressed this.Once again, they never said they would do crossgen for two years after XSX. In an interview from middle of November 2019 Matt Booty said that they would do cross gen titles for the next year or two.
"All of our games... will play up and down that family of devices" – Xbox's Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it - MCV/DEVELOP
We catch up with Matt Booty, head of Xbox Game Studios,
It would be easy to think that Microsoft's veritable army of developers would be targeting the Series X's launch day. But Booty agrees with us when we propose that this will be a very different kind of console launch, with first-party games being compatible across all Microsoft's hardware, existing and new, ending the usual platform reset we've seen in the past with such launches.
"As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices," Booty explains. "We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we're committed to them with content."
Inconclusive.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Otherwise Cyberpunk wouldn't be delayed if scalability is so easy
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
You think a game that was built for seven years exclusively on current gen consoles suddenly has problems running on these consoles because there are now next gen devkits? Come on.
ResilientBanana
Member
This could be an issue for a variety of reasons. Improper planning could be one of them.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
You are making stuff up. I gave you the exact quote, made in 11/2019. "Our games released in the next one, two years". 11/2019 + 2 years = 11/2021. Which is a year after XSX launch, no matter how you want to misinterpret it.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Oh, you didn't know?
According to polish insider :
Dev Responds to Rumours That Cyberpunk 2077 Was Delayed Because It Runs Badly on PS4 and Xbox One
"No hidden agendas"
www.pushsquare.com
TLZ
Banned
You speak like Mr. Miyagi...... You're alive..... You're ALIVE!
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
No is not.
MS message is all over the place again... Lockhart, crossgen for two years, google and amazon being the real competition...
I get it MS is trying to create a new market.. but the problem is wile they wonder away SONY will do is thing and if they don't disappoint offering a bad console they will again crush MS in the traditional games market.. and further cement their position...
After all these years MS really don't understand games traditional marked...
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Did you even read that?Oh, you didn't know?
According to polish insider :
Dev Responds to Rumours That Cyberpunk 2077 Was Delayed Because It Runs Badly on PS4 and Xbox One
"No hidden agendas"
"So there you have it, CD Projekt Red is basically saying that the rumours are a load of nonsense."
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Looks like you just read 1/3 of the article
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Quick, somebody posted positive "insert console" news! All fans of "insert other console" need to spam the thread up with bullshit!
Repeat as needed.
Seriously, I don't know why Sony fans atm have their knickers in a twist, it's like any positive news you hear about Xbox and you shit the bed. The other day Xbox fans were doing the same when Sony got some good news rumours.
It's about as transparent as a glass dildo.
Repeat as needed.
Seriously, I don't know why Sony fans atm have their knickers in a twist, it's like any positive news you hear about Xbox and you shit the bed. The other day Xbox fans were doing the same when Sony got some good news rumours.
It's about as transparent as a glass dildo.
it_wasn't_me
Banned
I do believe that history proves otherwise...
Yeah, Ark is truly a gem. One of a kind across all platforms
Agnostic2020
Member
Bro you really need to understand what target spec is and it is different from dev kit specs . Both ms and Sony had sent target specs from early 2019 to devs (yes ms target specs was always 12 tf even early 2019 .as early as feb 2019 for MS).
traget specs don't change like devkit specs .
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Shmunter
Member
You're right, facepalm. How could I have entertained games releasing in 2019 and before the XSX launch even, would somehow be XSX exclusives. It's nice to be assured that current gen games will work on current gen consoles, that was a close one.
It's obvious the MS statements are so vapid, you and others read into them whatever they want.
All I desire is a clear statement that assures Games published on the platform need not be compatible throughout the entire Xbox family. I place no credence on interpreting statements that are looser than my best friends ex wife. You can run with your loose interpretation all you like, no harm, no foul.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Source for those target specs? Because those were not known until today. Or are you a dev and got them back then?
it_wasn't_me
Banned
Spec sheets with target specs were sent to devs year in advance, even before the first version of dev kits were out. It was always like that. Also Matt on ERA said that because he is a dev and surely he knows more than you, me and others
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cragarmi
Member
Patience, I'll be sharing via Mod of War from now on, he's made me aware of the rules of engagement. And if you look at my profile I'm hardly a new member! You can understand how someone's source might be reluctant to divulge who they are and who they work for, these companies don't dick around.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
If he knew, he would've broken his NDA, which is a stupid idea if people know who you are. So I'd say he doesn't have target specs but just heard about them. It's also not impossible to undersell target specs. It's easy enough to develop for 8 TF and then have 12. It's only a problem if you have to do it the other way around. But we are entering purely speculative territory now. Facts are: In June the only GPU devs could use to develop towards Xbox Series X specs was a 5600 XT with 8 TF.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Pretty sure they already said that E3 will be about games and only games, not XSX. And I expect the focus to be games, xCloud, Game Pass.
ANIMAL1975
Member
Thanks, when did you provide your documentation to
Mod of War
?Can we count on a update anytime soon?
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sonomamashine
Member
Your father is still proud of you either way.
RX 5700 is 36CU 7,95TF already.
geordiemp
Member
Man even timdog is more fun to read than you, constantly repeating Ps5 as 8-9 TF on every page., every minute of every day. Give it a rest.
Get some air, and sorry to dis timdog, at least he is amusing.
If Ps5 is 36 CU it will be 8 TF and under 1.8 and targeting price if Sony choose to do that. Or its allot more CU and disabled cores for the BC.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I hope they phase out old systems a little faster than other markets phase out old tech. I don't want gaming to be held back by having to make everything work on old Xbox consoles. Sony first party is gonna look crazy good compared to other stuff if that ends up being the case
Gamernyc78
Banned
And after all these years and fuck ups and hot air ppl definitely shouldn't be giving Microsoft the benefit of doubt.
spazz121lol
Banned
blah blah specs blah blah have sex with my console blah blah
sony needs to reveal ps5 this month!
sony needs to reveal ps5 this month!
01011001
Banned
specs will most likely be released before E3
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
So now next gen is defined on Sonys SSD? This is amazing.
Please, continue.
Please, continue.
Shmunter
Member
This is seemingly the path MS is striving for. And frankly it sucks to high heaven. Let's hope it's all a misunderstanding due to piss poor communication and it turns out to be false.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Oh the upper end Xbox will probably run them at higher res and framerate and such simple things that don't change the fundamental design of the game. However will they have less seamless worlds because the Xbox One doesn't have an SSD? Will they have less complex animations and such other details that aren't as easy to change? Hell there are PS2 remasters on PS3 that run at 1080p 60fps but nobody holds them up as graphical showcases for the system compared to many 720p 30fps games that were actually made for the PS3
Agnostic2020
Member
A French magazine in feb 2019 leaked the target specs of 2 models xboxes (xsx and xss?)exactly what windows central published in December after the reveal of xsx .even zhuge mentioned it in his tweet that they r identical . I ll see if I find it for you .
saintjules
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, Sony quite literally announced that as the very first defining feature over the current gen, down to showing a comparison video with it.
sonomamashine
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