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Stop calling each other fanboys. it's childish and petty, especially in glass houses.
Shmunter
Member
The 128gig statement is based on a technological growth curve increase. He's probably right without looking into it. There is nothing here discrediting his person. Irrelevant anyway, the damage by XsS is ever present and burying head in sand won't change it.
nickthebiggeek
Member
It wasn't a dice dev as someone pointed out.
Who is Angel Kavazov?
Working in QA.
He in the end said this previously deleted that tweet :
Surely he was posted deleted tweet in bad faith. Yeah, he knows quality = XSS /s
Much appreciated
Dibils2k
Member
plz tell me you didnt think this was real, even for a second...WTF is happening to this man?
"The message we wanted to send with Xbox All Access is that we will stop at nothing to get every single human being on Earth to sign up for Game Pass. We heard some people might not do it because they prefer the PS5, so we decided to just buy them one," said Phil Spencer, VP of Gaming at Microsoft. "Will you sign up for Game Pass now? We want it so bad."
Microsoft Announces Xbox All Access Will Now Include a PS5
REDMOND, Wash. — Microsoft announced that the new Xbox All Access monthly subscription would include an Xbox Series X console, EA Play, Game Pass, Xbox…thehardtimes.net
EDIT: It's a joke.
cause if you did thats a really worrying state of mind
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Only jumped to that quotations, didn't really read the article. You know, too much to read too little time.
Neo Blaster
Member
According to specs released by MS, XSS' SSD has the same speed as XSX's. To think that Kena loads from menu in 2 seconds, 12 is not 'just a couple more seconds'.
Neo Blaster
Member
They already said there would be no PS5 news this week, when was the last time we saw Sony reacting to MS?EEEEE Yeah so PS5 will not reveal any information today as well. Same pattern next week.... Probably be last minute pre order open in November.
MasterCornholio
Member
The only theory I have is that maybe Microsoft didn't focus on eliminating I/O bottlenecks as much as Sony has.
Just looking at the specifications it should only take twice as long to load something. Anything more than that is probably due to some sort of bottleneck or bad optimization.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Robert is ex Infinity Ward (2012), founded Robotoki (2012).If you ask me again, I will answer the same:
it is a very shallow train of thought -at best case scenario- that leads people making such comments.
if a console manufacturer broadens up the nextgen customer base, that is also broadening up the business (and the proceeds) of those that are whining now. they have to work for it though, that's the "caveat".
I don't know in which part of the earth you live, but as a general rule most people finances are under uncertainty since some months because of the pandemic.
Try to imagine that sony came out and told you "Hey, you know what? because some of us are going through insecure or difficult times, I have also a scaled down version of Playstation 5, with which you can play all the same new games, but at a lower resolution. So here, take this option under consideration too if you like"
Would your response be the same?
Don't even answer. I know the answer, everybody does.
Now
I don't think that quoting developers for console war ammunition is mature,
but anyway, since you called me for that reason specifically, here are some things I saw earlier,
and clearly, 100% prefer their way of thinking:
(Infinity Ward, COD)
(DICE, Battlefield)
So,
are we good, or do I need write more?
Angel is DICE QA.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
And Robert Bowling was the Community Manager, not really a full on dev.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
what are you even talking about? he is a quality analyst at dice and not only for battlefield but for star wars too.
you think he doesn't know what he says? you think he is lying?
some of you guys have already exceeded any boundaries of ridiculousness, but still keep pushing it to unknown territories
its only a console, its only two consoles. get a grip of yourselves ffs
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So i see the era thread about actual devs raising issues about the xss specs was locked in two hours. Over a dozen devs, but nope, things got heated so entire thread closed. Now only the threads praising the xbox series s are allowed.
Thank god for gaf. I cannot believe you are not allowed to discuss negative aspects of a console on video game forums nowadays. Note to mods: keep up the good work and please dont let this place turn into another era where we cannot discuss things that might upset a fanbase of a console.
Thank god for gaf. I cannot believe you are not allowed to discuss negative aspects of a console on video game forums nowadays. Note to mods: keep up the good work and please dont let this place turn into another era where we cannot discuss things that might upset a fanbase of a console.
kyliethicc
Member
It might have some unique improvements over S games, but it can't play all Xbox One X games if Xbox One X games had up to 9 GB of RAM.Is that Series S only playing One S versions of BC real?
So yeah its probably gonna have to just run One S games, maybe upscaled or at a higher frame rate.
Shmunter
Member
QA is Quality Assurance.
It is about enforcing a documented and consistent process to ones work. It is unrelated to understanding underlying tech. QA certified here by the way.
Faithless83
Banned
Looks like. Less available ram than XOX. I'm curious how they will sort this out.Is that Series S only playing One S versions of BC real?
Shmunter
Member
Microsoft is a protected class now?
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Likes to shit on MS. Check.
Went to Reeee to see the Series S thread. Check
Hopes mods don't shut down the thread where some devs don't like Series S. Check
Brown noses mods in hopes thread stays open. Check
Brings up Xbox fanbase being upset at the news, yet got banned a week ago for console warring himself. Check
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Shmunter
Member
It cannot be unreal. The ram is what it is.Is that Series S only playing One S versions of BC real?
bitbydeath
Member
PS5's theoretical peak is 22gb/sec while XSX theoretical peak is 6gb/sec.
And then we have the bottleneck differences and 22gb/sec was also measured before they purchased oodle texture compression/decompression.
Faithless83
Banned
Come over here devs. We are eager for information and you'll be treated like kings.
Also, we know how to handle information without thinking everything is a personal attack.
Most of us at least.
MasterCornholio
Member
I've seen some people say that the XSX and XSS haven't shown the full potential of their I/Os yet. I'm mostly trying to figure out what would prevent them from doing that. All I can think of is bottlenecks to be honest.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
THIS!Come over here devs. We are eager for information and you'll be treated like kings.
Also, we know how to handle information without thinking everything is a personal attack.
Most of us at least.
Or it is a game running In BC mode that has no work done. The series x has a hybrid IO with no work done the software side don't work so it is just a fast SSD. It is not hard to understand.
kyliethicc
Member
But didn't it take 12 seconds? To load like 5 or 6 GB?
MasterCornholio
Member
Well then they should stop producing unoptimized demos to show off the I/O. It makes them look like amateurs in my opinion.
P.S They also did this with SOD.
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I never heard QA being translated to "quality analyst", which would make them even less technichal than the usual "quality assurance" (what it usually means). The technical knowledge of QA and an engine developer isn't even comparable. From my experience, they only have basic knowledge of how things work and no hands on experience/detailed understanding. From how and what you write, I guess it is comparable to your own knowdlege?
And actually, it is about a console potentially bottlenecking a whole generation (6+ years) of games; on consoles and on PC. I think that is a point to be annoyed about, if it turns out to be true.
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
I won't lie.
The white Series S controller looks sexy as fuck. Dare I say it, it looks more premium than Dual Sense IMO.
ZehDon
Member
I think it makes them look honest, personally. I'd much rather they show me how fast my third party games are potentially going to load at launch, rather than a hypothetical load time that will be achieved at some point by a first party developer.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
When talking software, a quality analyst is not the same as a QA officer. go do some googling
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
I never understood 'Go fuck yourself'
How is it possible one can get self fucked? If someone on the street told me that, i'd laugh instead of feel offended.
devilNprada
Member
Is that like the cool stoner guys in grandma's boy?
MasterCornholio
Member
They can always do something similar like Sony and show off something like Ratchet. I think Sony did a good job in showing off their I/O.
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thebigmanjosh
Member
The one game that would clear up a ton of speculation would be Minecraft RTX.
Lets see how that runs on XSS.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
your comprehension is minimal, and I am not your parent to feel obliged to teach you things.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Didnt you see Mod of war's post above? Stop trying to call each other fanboys and start shit.
I have zero interest in starting shit with fanboys. i literally said fanbase and did not use the term fanboys to make sure no one here got triggered by my post. But i should be allowed to discuss the specs of this console without people like you jumping down my throat. thank you.
It's infuriating. But read the post above. basically the same thing happened there. adhominem attacks, antoganistic behavior, everyone who doesnt like to see a console with a GPU weaker than a 5500m is labelled a fanboy and the thread derails, gets locked and we end up burying the discussion. I really fucking hope that doesnt happen here, but apparently just saying that is too much.
whats bizarre is that he's saying that to me. i have taken so much shit from ps fans over these last few months because they believed i have been criticizing them too much. it was literally my first ban on new gaf and ive been a regular in this thread for almost 2 years, and yet i am labelled a fanboy, my opinion instantly dismissed and topic immediately derailed all because i dared to criticize a 4 tflops GPU in a thread where we spent 2 years dreaming of a 14 tflops console.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
I feel that your effort to explain things is 100% wasted here. its like every new page there is a complete reset in everything, and trolling starts again from point zero. like groundhog day, remember how I called this thread?
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Metroiddarks
Member
To be honest I didn't expect so many disappointed/angry opinions came in such little time, they are really not happy.
The changes of generation usually works as breaths of fresh air for the studios as they reach
the limit of what is plausible to optimize in the end of each gen, looks like they feel Xbox is offering
in one hand a good view to future with XSX and now with the other hand the old one, is like
"did you remember the current gen ? don't worry that doesn't go to far".
If they now decide not release some games or delayed it to Nintendo Switch because the delta is
just too big even when the sales could be good enough, what will happen if Xbox doesn't reach a
good part of the market ?
bitbydeath
Member
Is there any written confirmation that work needs to be done on the software side or is it only an assumption at this point?
ZehDon
Member
Well, Sony told us loading was going away - instantaneous asset streaming! Their Ratchet demo has masked loading screens in the form of transportation portals, that just take the player through what appears to be a series of on-rail sections, with only one or two meaningful "jumps" into actual gameplay. While I appreciate it's still pretty darn impressive how much they can load, their demo immediately deflated Cerny's hype, for me. The particle, lighting, and shadow effects were more impressive than their IO.
Like I said, I think Microsoft are just being honest with what they're delivering up front, and I'd prefer that. I'm sure we'll see Microsoft's "no loading" Next Gen game when it exists and they can deliver it.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
yes there is. and I am pretty sure that on ps5 backwards compatible games that are not specifically optimized for ps5 will not take full advantage of ssd features and compression too.
devilNprada
Member
True... But why quote somebody nobody knows who or what the fuck they even are? In a dev debate?
bitbydeath
Member
Do you have a link? I'd love to read more about it.
The value you bring to this thread with your posts is zero. Then, after googeling, what does a "quality analyst" in software development do? I could tell you what QA does in our company, but you threw that title around..
Perfect description of yourself!
Neo Blaster
Member
SSD will definitely help on that matter, but while XSS will need to park less assets in RAM than should be needed with HDD loading, probably about 10 seconds of gameplay, PS5 will only need 1-2 seconds parked.
kyliethicc
Member
I'm just confused. The Series S has a 2.4 GB/s raw SSD.
Xbox One games use 5-6 GB of RAM. Thats less than 3 seconds raw.
Why would it take any longer than that?
Xbox One games use 5-6 GB of RAM. Thats less than 3 seconds raw.
Why would it take any longer than that?
MasterCornholio
Member
Sony is being honest as well with their I/O. As for loading screens going away I'm pretty sure Sony won't hesitate to demonstrate that.
ethomaz
Banned
Well now I want to know.
yewles1
Member
They could always bring up Denis Dyack... *runs*
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