Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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DaGwaphics said:
The thing about theoretical maximums with compression tech, is that if used to the max, end users wouldn't like the results. Oodle is lossy, the max theoreticals they post would result in horrific image quality.
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Yeah Sony knows their SSD better than anyone here. We should trust their estimates as what the SSD is capable of. Anyone expecting it to be faster than what they think it is are more than likely wrong
 
Larryfox said:
Yeah Sony knows their SSD better than anyone here. We should trust their estimates as what the SSD is capable of. Anyone expecting it to be faster than what they think it is are more than likely wrong
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I was just goofing around tbh. Sony did announce their numbers based on Kraken alone.
 
SlimySnake said:
Sorry, but I was told to wait and let the games speak for themselves back in March when Cerny showed up without a demo.

So I did.

Then the games were shown in June and I was like where is this SSD being used? I looked through their own PR to see if it was being used for anything other than loading and nope. It's like they literally had to build the game around this gimmick to take advantage of it. Spiderman, GT7, Demon Souls, Horizon and all the other games shown in September are not using the SSD.

So now the goalposts have shifted. Now im supposed to wait 2-3 years to see what games can do. Sorry but thats the same shit MS fanboys have been telling me since july. no thanks. when i buy a new console, i want next gen experiences on day one.

And no one is saying that they cant improve the I/O. He couldve built the I/O and still went with a cheaper 2.4 gbps ssd. you dont need 5.5 gbps for the two games this gen that might end up using it. 2.4 gbps is still 40x what we had last gen, still a massive leap. And you dont have to settle for 650 GB of usable storage.

22 seconds for cold boot after all shoving that ssd down our throat for months is simply unacceptable.

And look at the ray tracing performance in spiderman. look at how DMCV can only do ray tracing at 60 fps at 1080p. you need all the tflops you can get. it was true last gen. it will be true next gen and the gen after. tflops are the most important piece of the puzzle. you can have the best cpu in the world capable of all the destruction, NPC counts, and physics and your GPU still needs to be powerful enough to render it. If anything, as games get more and more complex you need more. a 5x increase in tflops simply isnt enough. especially when it comes at the expense of an SSD that no one is gonna be utilizing beyond loading.

If a year ago, an MS fanboy came here and said the PS5 would cost the same as XSX, has fewer tflops, worse ram bandwidth, smaller SSD and be a bigger console, he would literally get laughed off outta here. I understand the need to defend Sony, ive been there as a sony fan myself, but lets not kid ourselves here. we waited for the games to be shown and lets just say we are still waiting.
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Damn my dude. You are jumping the gun really hard here. First generation of games rarely take full advantage of what new consoles have to offer. It takes time. Same goes for the Series X. Both these consoles are the equivalent of a high-end entry-level gaming PC. That is a high bar for any new console to reach. I'm not sure what else to say here. I mean, the footage of Demon's Souls in performance mode looks amazing. We're just at the starting line here.
 
Dodkrake said:
You're accusing me of being triggered while you're crying like a little bitch. Lol
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Nah I'm just criticizing a video game company. You are acting like I'm insulting your boyfriend cerny.

Don't get so attached to video game developers. Cerny gives no shit about how much you get triggered over him getting criticized.
 
Dibils2k said:
man people keep saying there isnt a big enough jump this gen but for me SSD is one of the greatest additions to consoles since HD graphics

i am so excited to have these consoles
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I remember a time when all I heard was "people were tired of another SSD thread", now it's application and realtime performance is proven essential for this gen....Who would've thought......
 
Dave_at_Home said:
The question is: How do you know you're not seeing it already?

It's possible the reason Ratchet and Clank can have so much shit on screen at the same time could, in part, be due to the I/O. The density and quality of Demons Souls environments could be attributed to the I/O as well. We just don't know yet. Possibly reasons relating to NDA, but maybe developers haven't gotten around to talking about that stuff. It may also be possible that it's not entirely taken advantage yet. It may take a bit more time to fully be taking advantage of. Either way, there's no trickery here.

Sony did this for a very specific reasons which you know, but some others trolling here may not.

  • Improve the quality and quantity of data that the GPU can draw.​
  • Massively reduce load times.​
  • Address memory constraints as best as possible through those SSD and I/O speeds​
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We have seen Spiderman running on the ps5. This received extensive upgrades according to insmoniac themselves. Yet i am struggling to see any ssd related enhancements here aside from loading. Spiderman isn't flying faster like cerny said. The quality of data being rendered is pretty much the same. Cerny said this i/o should just work without developer input implying that it would enhance graphics. Well we are seeing games in action and not seeing this stuff in action.

I don't know. Ive heard this before. I received several PMs from insiders who quoted devs that were raving about how the ps5 would have more detail and better graphics than the xsx because of the ssd and io. It's October now and i have yet to see a single game doing this.
 
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sircaw said:
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you got to get your positive spin when you can, i mean lets say Sony's ssd time for older games are better.

Let's say Red dead redepemtion loads in 40 seconds on the xbox and 20 seconds on the ps5, we have already heard some people calling the xbox remarkable. what would that make the ps5 then.

It certainly would take the shine of the xbox, so yer i guess they are making sure they get there pr now.

that's my guess.

all i know is a 5-6 second loading time on Doom for me is very acceptable, if ps5 matches that i am happy, if they go below that even more thrilled.
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Well let's hope its not lies. Sony will get blamed for it.

smallpotatosan said:
to be honest, other than us who hopeless spent too much time in game forums, regular ps customers don't even care what Xbox does. I have been playing games recently and was not following news. those Xbox video didn't even reach me without me actively looking for it. MS is approaching social media in an interesting way. But again their goal is to defend the turf, which seems working judging how active Xbox friends are recently.
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Not surprised. Reality is casuals made their minds up after the lockdown showcases. The numbers on social was double/triple way back in may/june than recent showcases. At this stage casuals don't care its just pre-order & buy games time. Defending turf?? PS Brand will always have bigger numbers across media. What do they have to defend?

DaGwaphics said:
Repeating nonsense over and over hoping that something sticks would be a weird tactic. Has anyone ever made that work?

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Hmm gaming & US politics not the same but Touchy,tricky. Let's leave it as. Luckily we are not all in the US.
 
SlimySnake said:
Nah I'm just criticizing a video game company. You are acting like I'm insulting your boyfriend cerny.

Don't get so attached to video game developers. Cerny gives no shit about how much you get triggered over him getting criticized.
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Don't blame me or anybody that calls you out on your BS because you lack the brain cells to understand the tech behind both consoles. Yes, I said both.
 
Evilms said:
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That's a standard protection mechanism. all consoles have them, but I'm just glad Sony went the route of designing the system to stay within constraints of it's power budget and that it's cooling system exceeds the threshold of it's max power budget....


Funny enough, someone said they were expecting a 360 gen or some hardware failure fiasco.....I hope this does not occur with any hardware, but after two hours of play to have the console shutting down is not a good thing......
 
SlimySnake said:
Sorry, but I was told to wait and let the games speak for themselves back in March when Cerny showed up without a demo.

So I did.

Then the games were shown in June and I was like where is this SSD being used? I looked through their own PR to see if it was being used for anything other than loading and nope. It's like they literally had to build the game around this gimmick to take advantage of it. Spiderman, GT7, Demon Souls, Horizon and all the other games shown in September are not using the SSD.

So now the goalposts have shifted. Now im supposed to wait 2-3 years to see what games can do. Sorry but thats the same shit MS fanboys have been telling me since july. no thanks. when i buy a new console, i want next gen experiences on day one.

And no one is saying that they cant improve the I/O. He couldve built the I/O and still went with a cheaper 2.4 gbps ssd. you dont need 5.5 gbps for the two games this gen that might end up using it. 2.4 gbps is still 40x what we had last gen, still a massive leap. And you dont have to settle for 650 GB of usable storage.

22 seconds for cold boot after all shoving that ssd down our throat for months is simply unacceptable.

And look at the ray tracing performance in spiderman. look at how DMCV can only do ray tracing at 60 fps at 1080p. you need all the tflops you can get. it was true last gen. it will be true next gen and the gen after. tflops are the most important piece of the puzzle. you can have the best cpu in the world capable of all the destruction, NPC counts, and physics and your GPU still needs to be powerful enough to render it. If anything, as games get more and more complex you need more. a 5x increase in tflops simply isnt enough. especially when it comes at the expense of an SSD that no one is gonna be utilizing beyond loading.

If a year ago, an MS fanboy came here and said the PS5 would cost the same as XSX, has fewer tflops, worse ram bandwidth, smaller SSD and be a bigger console, he would literally get laughed off outta here. I understand the need to defend Sony, ive been there as a sony fan myself, but lets not kid ourselves here. we waited for the games to be shown and lets just say we are still waiting.
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Man, I'm excited about this new generation of consoles, but you're depressing me. I can understand being leery, but you see and expect the worst. I see new capabilities and new games for both machines that are going to provide me years of entertainment. I hope you can look at it a little more positively and you should be happier, and those around you too.
 
Dodkrake said:
Don't blame me or anybody that calls you out on your BS because you lack the brain cells to understand the tech behind both consoles. Yes, I said both.
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lol i like how you said both. I never saw you get triggered over the hundreds of posts I've made criticizing Microsoft and the Xbox on this board.
 
SlimySnake said:
Then the games were shown in June and I was like where is this SSD being used? I looked through their own PR to see if it was being used for anything other than loading and nope. It's like they literally had to build the game around this gimmick to take advantage of it. Spiderman, GT7, Demon Souls, Horizon and all the other games shown in September are not using the SSD.
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You have absolutely no clue how any of these games use the SSD. None.
 
Zoro7 said:
Either someones fucking with us or this is real? Isn't this the second screenshot now?
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FunkMiller said:
Literally says Xbox One.

Come the fuck on people.
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Hix said:
Your Xbox One console is designed to automatically shut down to protect it from insufficient ventilation...
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FunkMiller said:
Dude... STOP. All of these say XBox One.

FFS.
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LiquidRex said:
What is this... Are people having issues with thier Xbox One.
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That screenshot was posted by someone else to show that the message looks the same on the X1. However, the tweet says "Xbox console". Still think its bullshit, but just pointing out that you're not looking at the screenshot that's being debated.
 
MastaKiiLA said:
That screenshot was posted by someone else to show that the message looks the same on the X1. However, the tweet says "Xbox console". Still think its bullshit, but just pointing out that you're not looking at the screenshot that's being debated.
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It's FUD bullshit. All they've done is delete the word 'One' and shift the rest up. It would say XBox Series Xif it were real... and probably wouldn't look exactly the same UI wise.
 
Ptarmiganx2 said:
Yet can't demonstrate a game on the system 30 days before launch. The delayed Halo game look like 360 title and is running on HW more powerful than the XSX.
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I see Microsoft did the ol' switcheroo and this time the next gen games are hidden in the power brick instead of the next gen hardware.
 
LiquidRex said:
Is Xbox Series X RT inferior to PS5 even with the difference in CU count.
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I'm thinking that some devs might have issues with the GDK. Which is why some games might lack RT at launch. Devil May Cry is one such title for example. I personally believe it's only a temporary issue though. Nothing to do with the actual hardware just the dev kits.
 
I should've been clearer, over all ps5 buyers the average hype isn't more than the average hype over all xbox buyers.
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Yeah, the old hype per product versus hype per person mixup. Its a common cause of misunderstanding.

Edit: forgot to insert the quote 😬
Its a response to x-fighter. Sorry for the additional confusion.
 
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Orky said:
Not this shit again. This was posted several times. Someone tries to spread FUD about Xbox. It's 100% fake.

btw why do you keep posting this shit?
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if it is one, then has to be a good job. so much, that she set to private the twitter account.

the letters are from the same font, the noise is around every letter. then again, someone else with more knowhow should analyse it.
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SlimySnake said:
We have seen Spiderman running on the ps5. This received extensive upgrades according to insmoniac themselves. Yet i am struggling to see any ssd related enhancements here aside from loading. Spiderman isn't flying faster like cerny said. The quality of data being rendered is pretty much the same. Cerny said this i/o should just work without developer input implying that it would enhance graphics. Well we are seeing games in action and not seeing this stuff in action.

I don't know. Ive heard this before. I received several PMs from insiders who quoted devs that were raving about how the ps5 would have more detail and better graphics than the xsx because of the ssd and io. It's October now and i have yet to see a single game doing this.
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Why would Spiderman be flying any faster than he is now?

Whatever.

Listen, I don't really think the Spiderman upgrade is the best example of PS5 prowess. Demons Souls is the best example we got so far. A game built from the ground up for PS5. The game looks amazing in performance mode and the clearly the load times are fast as fuck. If you don't see how great that game is looking and can't see the potential future of PS5 titles, than I don't know what to tell you here. Series X will have dope shit eventually too. Launch games are typically never the best example of the developers utilizing everything at full sprint. I know you know this. These things always take time, and with the world being what it is today, it may take a bit longer.
 
King Harkinian said:
if it is one, then has to be a good job. so much, that she set to private the twitter account.

the letters are from the same font, the noise is around every letter. then again, someone else with more knowhow should analyse it.
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well if she is lying, if i was Microsoft, i would sue her arse. that's on twitter how many people could see that, that's beyond a joke, thats pure defamation or there is another word for it.
 
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sircaw said:
well if she is lying, if i was Microsoft, i would sue her arse. that's on twitter how many people could see that, that's beyond a joke, thats pure defamation or there is another word for it.
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Well ... ace of spades already said it
"improper use" deliberate or not, to stir up the pot who knows why.

But why would Microsoft suddenly change the text? for this message? And so far, everyone stated that it´s stupidly quiet running BC games.

Maybe she placed the XSX inside a cabinet? Or put a book on top of it :P
 
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