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Next Gen Titles selling > 500k (US NPD LTD through June 2004)

You can disregard the GBA/PSOne titles. Their totals are off as they are only sales totals since July 2003 forward. The totals for PS2, XBX, & GCN are 100% correct and up to date with NPD through June 2004.

What will be the next million seller for the Xbox? Ghost Recon is @ 930k, but isn't selling much on a monthly basis (averages ~10-15k monthly). Madden 2004 sold 780k last year and wasn't on live. Or will we have to wait until Nov, when Halo will clearly sell over a million it's first month?

EDIT: Changed title to "Current Gen games, which is what I meant, but instead put NextGen

Code:
        Rank   Format         Title                            LTD Sales
           1   PS2            GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE                6,049,775
           2   PS2            GRAND THEFT AUTO 3                   5,394,643
           3   PS2            GRAN TURISMO 3:A-SPEC                3,495,069
           4   PS2            MADDEN NFL 2004                      3,392,101
           5   XBX            HALO                                 3,347,332
           6   PS2            MADDEN NFL 2003                      2,720,558
           7   GCN            SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE                2,320,448
           8   PS2            FINAL FANTASY X                      2,121,285
           9   PS2            MEDAL HONOR FRONTLINE                2,102,552
          10   PS2            TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR3                2,081,255
          11   PS2            KINGDOM HEARTS                       2,014,463
          12   PS2            METAL GEAR SOLID 2                   2,009,160
          13   PS2            MADDEN NFL 2002                      2,000,463
          14   PS2            NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND                1,991,069
          15   PS2            SPIDER-MAN: THE MOVIE                1,854,636
          16   PS2            ATV OFF ROAD FURY                    1,633,984
          17   PS2            NBA STREET                           1,630,768
          18   GCN            MARIO KART: DOUBLE                   1,609,711
          19   PS2            JAK AND DAXTER:LEGACY                1,600,831
          20   PS2            MAX PAYNE                            1,560,008
          21   PS2            TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4                1,539,640
          22   PS2            MIDNIGHT CLUB:STREET                 1,529,648
          23   GCN            SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE                 1,525,643
          24   GCN            ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER                1,476,718
          25   PS2            CRASH BANDICOOT:CORTX                1,465,186
          26   PS2            LORD OF RINGS: TOWERS                1,415,011
          27   PS2            SOCOM:SEALS W/HEADSET                1,413,285
          28   GCN            LUIGI'S MANSION                      1,411,482
          29   PS2            BOND:AGENT UNDER FIRE                1,407,359
          30   PS2            TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND                1,395,546
          31   PS2            ACE COMBAT 4                         1,377,018
          32   PS2            TEKKEN TAG TOURNAMENT                1,323,144
          33   PS2            SIMPSONS: ROAD RAGE                  1,315,866
          34   PS2            ENTER THE MATRIX                     1,238,826
          35   PS2            TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA                1,236,442
          36   GBA            MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4                1,200,069
          37   PS2            NBA LIVE 2004                        1,189,679
          38   PS2            MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY                1,168,367
          39   PS2            MEDAL HONOR RISING                   1,164,741
          40   PS2            ATV OFF ROAD FURY 2                  1,162,206
          41   XBX            PROJECT GOTHAM RACING                1,158,654
          42   GCN            METROID PRIME                        1,152,510
          43   PS2            WWE: SHUT YOUR MOUTH                 1,139,046
          44   PS2            FINAL FANTASY X-2                    1,134,095
          45   PS2            SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS                 1,089,523
          46   XBX            GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK                1,069,536
          47   PS2            DEVIL MAY CRY                        1,063,045
          48   PS2            NBA STREET VOL 2                     1,059,171
          49   PS2            NCAA FOOTBALL 2004                   1,056,452
          50   PS2            BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE                  1,048,144
          51   PS2            TEKKEN 4                             1,045,922
          52   PS2            NBA LIVE 2003                        1,001,996
          53   PS2            T.CLANCYS GHOST RECON                  991,212
          54   PS2            NEED SPEED: PURSUIT 2                  975,476
          55   PS2            HITMAN 2: ASSASSIN                     969,266
          56   PS2            NAMCO MUSEUM                           964,144
          57   PS2            NCAA FOOTBALL 2003                     954,185
          58   PS2            WWE SMACKDOWN: BRING                   939,520
          59   GCN            MARIO PARTY 4                          939,306
          60   PS2            MADDEN NFL 2001                        937,382
          61   XBX            T.CLANCYS GHOST RECON                  930,032
          62   PS2            TWISTED METAL BLACK                    922,636
          63   PS2            THE SIMS                               913,262
          64   PS2            THE GETAWAY                            910,998
          65   PS2            RATCHET & CLANK                        907,441
          66   GBA            POKEMON RUBY                           903,312
          67   GCN            SONIC ADVENTURE 2                      894,219
          68   PS2            DRAGONBALL Z:BUDOKAI2                  881,098
          69   PS2            RESIDENT EVIL CODE: X                  855,105
          70   XBX            DEAD OR ALIVE 3                        851,754
          71   GCN            SW: ROGUE SQUADRON II                  848,981
          72   PS2            LORD RING:RETURN KING                  845,501
          73   PS2            TIGER WOODS PGA 2004                   844,579
          74   PS2            CRAZY TAXI                             827,630
          75   PS2            WWE: HERE COMES PAIN                   824,769
          76   GBA            NAMCO MUSEUM                           820,446
          77   PS2            JAK II                                 803,712
          78   PS2            SPY HUNTER                             798,071
          79   GBA            POKEMON SAPPHIRE                       797,144
          80   PS2            NFL 2K3                                794,794
          81   XBX            MADDEN NFL 2004                        783,661
          82   GBA            MARIO & LUIGI SAGA                     778,450
          83   PS2            ONIMUSHA WARLORDS                      777,064
          84   PS2            SCOOBY-DOO:100 FRIGHT                  767,263
          85   PS2            SOCOM W/O HEADSET                      761,887
          86   GCN            STAR FOX ADVENTURES                    757,582
          87   PS2            YU-GI-OH! DUELISTS                     755,687
          88   PS2            PAC-MAN WORLD 2                        746,288
          89   PS2            NBA LIVE 2002                          740,119
          90   XBX            MAX PAYNE                              738,251
          91   GCN            ANIMAL CROSSING                        715,552
          92   PS2            SIMPSONS: HIT & RUN                    712,134
          93   GCN            MARIO PARTY 5                          704,591
          94   XBX            SPIDER-MAN: THE MOVIE                  698,010
          95   XBX            SW: KNIGHTS REPUBLIC                   697,196
          96   PS2            STATE OF EMERGENCY                     674,061
          97   PS2            HOT SHOTS GOLF 3                       668,112
          98   PS2            TEST DRIVE                             667,603
          99   PS2            MVP BASEBALL 2004                      664,145
         100   GBA            PAC-MAN COLLECTION                     659,789
         101   GBA            DONKEY KONG COUNTRY                    653,349
         102   PS2            MIDNIGHT CLUB II                       649,864
         103   GBA            YU-GI-OH! SACRED CARD                  649,336
         104   PS2            TIGER WOODS PGA 2003                   647,896
         105   PS2            DARK CLOUD                             647,770
         106   GCN            PIKMIN                                 641,363
         107   PS2            NCAA FOOTBALL 2002                     632,648
         108   XBX            MEDAL HONOR FRONTLINE                  632,412
         109   PS2            DEF JAM VENDETTA                       630,451
         110   PS2            SSX                                    625,543
         111   PS2            NFL STREET                             624,118
         112   PS2            SSX TRICKY                             622,870
         113   PS2            VIRTUA FIGHTER 4                       620,712
         114   PS2            HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER                  614,772
         115   PS2            TETRIS WORLDS                          614,593
         116   XBX            NEED SPEED: UNDERGRND                  607,824
         117   GCN            SOUL CALIBUR II                        605,102
         118   XBX            MECH ASSAULT                           603,520
         119   GCN            POKEMON COLOSSEUM                      601,931
         120   XBX            NFL FEVER 2002                         588,344
         121   PS2            RED FACTION                            586,466
         122   GBA            FROGGER'S ADV: TEMPLE                  585,772
         123   PS2            FIGHT NIGHT 2004                       581,880
         124   PS2            CONFLICT:DESERT STORM                  581,458
         125   PS2            GRAND THEFT AUTO PACK                  577,307
         126   PS2            DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO                  569,628
         127   GCN            SPIDER-MAN: THE MOVIE                  568,348
         128   PS2            SLY COOPER & THIEVIUS                  567,631
         129   GBA            DISNEY'S FINDING NEMO                  562,953
         130   GBA            FINAL FANTASY TACTICS                  558,707
         131   PS2            RATCHET & CLANK:GOING                  556,202
         132   PS2            SOUL CALIBUR II                        551,708
         133   PS2            SMUGGLER'S RUN                         542,994
         134   XBX            HITMAN 2: ASSASSIN                     541,308
         135   PS2            STUNTMAN                               540,242
         136   PS2            TOKYO XTREME RACER                     539,671
         137   XBX            AMPED: SNOWBOARDING                    536,585
         138   PS2            EYE TOY                                532,107
         139   GBA            SPONGEBOB: BATTLE                      529,822
         140   XBX            TRUE CRIME:STREETS LA                  524,387
         141   XBX            MADDEN NFL 2003                        522,962
         142   PS2            SPYRO:ENTER DRAGONFLY                  512,778
         143   XBX            ENTER THE MATRIX                       507,777
         144   PS2            SILENT HILL 2                          506,648
         145   GCN            SONIC MEGA COLLECTION                  503,270
 

NWO

Member
sonycowboy said:
The totals for PS2, XBX, & GCN are 100% correct and up to date with NPD through June 2004.

So where's Splinter Cell for the Xbox....I thought that topped 1 million?
 

explodet

Member
Ghost Recon will crawl past the 1 million mark, but slowly and steadily.

Maybe KOTOR has a shot to go past a million if it does well as a Platinum Hit. But it's quite possible that Halo 2 will be the next (multi-)million seller.

... Did Vice City pass 6 million without me noticing? Huh.
NWO said:
So where's Splinter Cell for the Xbox....I thought that topped 1 million?
I think it's closer to 1.5 million. And yeah, where the hell is it?
 
explodet said:
... Did Vice City pass 6 million without me noticing? Huh.

Yep, it did recently I believe. It's also the best selling game for this and last generation (in the US). All this from a game that certain people SAID wouldn't even sell half as much as GTA3.
 

MaddenNFL64

Member
I thought this was going to be about next gen titles expected to sell over 500k, or something :p.

Will someone, group PS2, Xbox, GC, and GBA games seperately?
 

jarrod

Banned
SolidSnakex said:
Yep, it did recently I believe. It's also the best selling game for this and last generation (in the US). All this from a game that certain people SAID wouldn't even sell half as much as GTA3.
I thought Pokemon GS and RB both passed 10 million in the US alone? Anyone have numbers?
 

cvxfreak

Member
The Pokemon GB games (Red, Blue, Yellow) were at 5 Million apiece. So 15 Million. Gold and Silver sold 3.5 Million apiece, Crystal in the neighborhood of 2 Million. 9 Million for those. Ruby and Sapphire are currently at 3 Million combined so far.
 

jarrod

Banned
GBA games over 500k...

*million seller

-Crash Bandicoot: The Huge Adventure (VU Games)
-Disney/Pixar's Finding Nemo (THQ)
-Disney/Pixar's Monsters Inc (THQ)
-Donkey Kong Country (Nintendo)
-Dragon Ball Z: Legacy of Goku (Atari)*
-Dragon Ball Z: Legacy of Goku II (Atari)
-Harry Potter: The Chamber of Secrets (EA)
-Harry Potter: The Sorcerer's Stone (EA)
-Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (Nintendo)
-Frogger's Adventures: Temple of the Frog (Konami)*
-Golden Sun (Nintendo)
-Kirby: Nightmare in DreamLand (Nintendo)
-Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Nintendo)*
-Mario & Luigi: SuperStar Saga (Nintendo)
-Mario Kart: Super Circuit (Nintendo)*
-Namco Museum (Namco)*
-Pac-Man Collection (Namco)*
-Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire Version (Nintendo)***
-Spider-Man: The Movie (Activision)
-Sonic Advance (THQ)*
-Sonic Advance 2 (THQ)
-SpongeBob SquarePants: Revenge of the Flying Dutchman (THQ)
-Spyro: Season of Ice (VU Games)
-Spyro: Season of Flame (VU Games)
-Super Mario Advance (Nintendo)**
-Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World (Nintendo)**
-Super Mario Advance 3: Yoshi's Island (Nintendo)*
-Super Mario Bros 3: Super Mario Advance 4 (Nintendo)*
-Tetris Worlds (THQ)
-Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (Activision)
-Wario Land 4 (Nintendo)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Eternal Duelist Soul (Konami)*
-Yu-Gi-Oh! The Sacred Cards (Konami)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Worldwide Edition: Stairway to the Desined Duel (Konami)


...Castlevania: CotM is only about 40k away from 500k. If Konami would do reorders all the GBA Castlevanias would've sold better I bet...
 
NWO said:
So where's Splinter Cell for the Xbox....I thought that topped 1 million?

Missing... as if erased from reality. Serioulsy, I have no idea what happened to it. I will have to check on it when I get back home.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
sonycowboy said:
Missing... as if erased from reality. Serioulsy, I have no idea what happened to it. I will have to check on it when I get back home.

yeah, i remember it topped like 600,000 during the first couple weeks of it being out
 

FightyF

Banned
The GC/Xbox numbers are quite impressive considering the size of their userbase! Isn't it five times less than the PS2?
 
Fight for Freeform said:
The GC/Xbox numbers are quite impressive considering the size of their userbase! Isn't it five times less than the PS2?

Xbox is ~ 3 times less, GCN is ~3.5 times less or so.

The GCN/Xbox numbers are completely unimpressive.

The data I listed does not support your conclusion in any way whatsoever. The biggest reason is because of the 500k cutoff. It includes a disproportionate number of PS2 titles.

Total units for titles > 500k
---------------------------------
PS2 115,105,079
GCN 17,276,757
XBX 15,339,545
 

Culex

Banned
Titles 500k and above:

PS2: 111

Xbox: 19, including Splinter Cell

GC: 17


Titles 1 million and above:

PS2: 42

GC: 6

Xbox: 4
 

FightyF

Banned
Xbox is ~ 3 times less, GCN is ~3.5 times less or so.

The GCN/Xbox numbers are completely unimpressive.

The data I listed does not support your conclusion in any way whatsoever. The biggest reason is because of the 500k cutoff. It includes a disproportionate number of PS2 titles.

Total units for titles > 500k
---------------------------------
PS2 115,105,079
GCN 17,276,757
XBX 15,339,545

The total titles just goes to show that the PS2 has more games than either the Xbox or GC, something we already know.

What's impressive is that the top GC and Xbox games were bought by more of it's userbase than PS2 games.

Let's multiply Halo's numbers by 3...that would make it's sales nearly 10 million! Heck, as it stands, it has sold just as well as Gran Turismo 3, a game that has been a greatest hits title for years now.

Do the same with Smash Bros, and you have over 6 million, more than Vice City.

On the other hand, Xbox and GC users have far less variety to buy. Still, it doesn't make these numbers less impressive.

If you don't understand, post some userbase numbers. I'll do the ratios for you.
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
sonycowboy said:
Total units for titles > 500k
---------------------------------
PS2 115,105,079
GCN 17,276,757
XBX 15,339,545

Or we can spin it the other way and look at games individually against userbase.

We could play this game all night.
 
Fight for Freeform said:
If you don't understand, post some userbase numbers. I'll do the ratios for you.

No need, you've already given the reason as to why the big seller ratio isn't as high on the PS2. That's because there's much more game diversity and more users with different gaming tastes on the platofrm compared to the other 2.
 

FightyF

Banned
No need, you've already given the reason as to why the big seller ratio isn't as high on the PS2. That's because there's much more game diversity and more users with different gaming tastes on the platofrm compared to the other 2.

I don't think he realizes that. As it doesn't make the Xbox/GC sales any less impressive.
 
Pokemon Ruby only made 900K? Between it and Sapphire, it's only around 1.8M -- the popularity of Pokemon seems to be waning in the US. It's about freakin' time; how can we ever get Nintendo to go third-party if they have thriving franchises to sell hardware with?
 
SolidSnakex said:
"PS2 115,105,079
GCN 17,276,757
XBX 15,339,545"

Domination doesn't cover it.

Culex said:
Titles 500k and above:
PS2: 111
Xbox: 19, including Splinter Cell
GC: 17


Titles 1 million and above:
PS2: 42
GC: 6
Xbox: 4

Fight for Freeform said:
I don't think he realizes that. As it doesn't make the Xbox/GC sales any less impressive.

Somehow, I don't think I'm the one that's not getting it. Multiply the above numbers by the difference in the userbases and see what you get.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Fight for Freeform said:
I don't think he realizes that. As it doesn't make the Xbox/GC sales any less impressive.

Nope but it does make the PS2 sales all the more impressive in showing that is a system that caters to a whole range of tastes and choices...

<runs away>
 
Fight for Freeform said:
I don't think he realizes that. As it doesn't make the Xbox/GC sales any less impressive.

When you take into account the amount of million sellers on other platforms they're unimpressive. Just look at last gen and the N64 which had a similar userbase but had quite a few million sellers.
 
Drinky Crow said:
Pokemon Ruby only made 900K? Between it and Sapphire, it's only around 1.8M -- the popularity of Pokemon seems to be waning in the US. It's about freakin' time; how can we ever get Nintendo to go third-party if they have thriving franchises to sell hardware with?

Read the text in the initial post. GBA & PSone games are just cumulative sales from July 2003-June 2004 not LTD.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Damn....Sony's all about the ownage this gen. That's just ridiculous.
SolidSnakex said:
Yep, it did recently I believe. It's also the best selling game for this and last generation (in the US). All this from a game that certain people SAID wouldn't even sell half as much as GTA3.
:D

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DopeyFish said:
how can the xbox have a higher software ratio than gamecube, have 1 million more hardware units sold in the US (in comparison to gamecube) and still come out lower than gamecube in software units? Those numbers are really fubar

The answer lies in the sales below 500k:
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Total Sales:
GCN Total 48,909,761
PS2 Total 200,094,682
XBX Total 60,924,262
 

jarrod

Banned
SolidSnakex said:
When you take into account the amount of million sellers on other platforms they're unimpressive. Just look at last gen and the N64 which had a similar userbase but had quite a few million sellers.
N64 had twice the userbase of XBox actually. N64 and PS1 were pretty close from 1996 to 2000 actually, PS1 didn't really pull ahead until this generation in America.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
sonycowboy said:
The answer lies in the sales below 500k:
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Total Sales:
GCN Total 48,909,761
PS2 Total 200,094,682
XBX Total 60,924,262


yeah i sorta re-read the post and edited my stuff out
 
jarrod said:
N64 had twice the userbase of XBox actually. N64 and PS1 were pretty close from 1996 to 2000 actually, PS1 didn't really pull ahead until this generation in America.

PSOne pulled clearly ahead in 1998. They had 30 million units worldwide vs 20 for N64. And it only got bigger from there.
 

jarrod

Banned
Drinky Crow said:
Pokemon Ruby only made 900K? Between it and Sapphire, it's only around 1.8M -- the popularity of Pokemon seems to be waning in the US. It's about freakin' time; how can we ever get Nintendo to go third-party if they have thriving franchises to sell hardware with?
Pokemon RuSa managed around 3.5 million in the US actually. Worldwide it's now over 13 million total... which is a drop from the GBC games but still makes it the best selling game this generation by a good 2-3 million units. Even multiplatform GTA3 and Vice City can't catch it.
 

jarrod

Banned
sonycowboy said:
PSOne pulled clearly ahead in 1998. They had 30 million units worldwide vs 20 for N64. And it only got bigger from there.
I'm talking US only. PS1 is now around 30 million units US iirc.

edit-Anyone have Sony's userbase comparsion slides from a year ago. On the old board they showed PS1 at around 24 million and N64 around 18 million both in the US from 1995-2000 iirc.
 
jarrod said:
I'm talking US only. PS1 is now around 30 million units US iirc.

It was a similar percentage in 1998. Clearly the US was N64's strongest region, but it was the PSOne's strongest region as well. At the end of 1998 they had 20 million units vs N64's ~14 million. The PSone is actually at 40 million units US :) The N64 had ~30 million worldwide.
 

Defensor

Mistaken iRobbery!
bishoptl said:
I wish I owned the Pokemon IP

I could buy myself an army of gold-encrusted ponies
If I owned the Pokemon IP, I would buy myself a solid gold house and a rocket car.
 

jarrod

Banned
sonycowboy said:
It was a similar percentage in 1998. Clearly the US was N64's strongest region, but it was the PSOne's strongest region as well. At the end of 1998 they had 20 million units vs N64's ~14 million. The PSone is actually at 40 million units US :) The N64 had ~30 million worldwide.
Actually I always thought PAL was PS1's strongest region. During it's active lifespan (1995-2000) it didn't even outdo NES (1985-1990) in the US. PSone has had great sales as a budget supplementary platform though, something Nintendo's really never done outside Japan for Famicom & Super Famicom.

Also, N64 is actually about 34 million worldwide. It outsold Genesis even iirc.
 
jarrod said:
Actually I always thought PAL was PS1's strongest region. During it's active lifespan (1995-2000) it didn't even outdo NES (1985-1990) in the US. PSone has had great sales as a budget supplementary platform though, something Nintendo's really never done outside Japan for Famicom & Super Famicom.

Also, N64 is actually about 34 million worldwide. It outsold Genesis even iirc.

???. Do you have a source for your numbers? PSOne did better in the US through 2000 than any system has ever done. In every single region. And everything I've ever seen for the N64 shows it at ~29 million as of 2002, and I can't imagine that it's squeezed out another 5M since them.

2000/12/31 79.61 million units (Japan: 18.22million/ USA: 30.30 million/ Europe: 31.09 million)

Lifetime
{including 25.95 million "PS one" units (Japan: 3.37 million/ USA: 11.83 million/ Europe: 10.75 million)}
 

jarrod

Banned
sonycowboy said:
???. Do you have a source for your numbers? PSOne did better in the US through 2000 than any system has ever done. In every single region. And everything I've ever seen for the N64 shows it at ~29 million as of 2002, and I can't imagine that it's squeezed out another 5M since them.

2000/12/31 79.61 million units (Japan: 18.22million/ USA: 30.30 million/ Europe: 31.09 million)

Lifetime
{including 25.95 million "PS one" units (Japan: 3.37 million/ USA: 11.83 million/ Europe: 10.75 million)}
The numbers came from Sony's slide comparisons (I think it was E3 2002 or 2003). Their own numbers put NES (28M) ahead of PS1 (24M) in the US and N64 over 30 million worldwide (I think around 32M). I'm going off memeory so the numbers may be off slightly but I remember getting into a discussion over the NES being more widesperad than PS1 for their active lifetimes in America.
 

cvxfreak

Member
sonycowboy, do you have Resident Evil totals? Basically every RE game sans CODE: Veronica X PS2? And Silent Hill 3? Oh, and P.N. 03? :D Thanks for any help you can give.
 
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