NHL October 2016 |OT| Friendship ended with PK, now Shea is my best friend

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bonesmccoy said:
I can't tell what is going on with Andersen. The opposition seems to have so many high danger scoring chances that it's impossible to tell whether or not he's being told to do something different, or he's feeling he has to do something different.
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I think you'd be surprised at how many scoring chances for and against the Leafs have actually been involved in. The funny thing about defence is it always looks a lot worse when your goalie doesn't make the save. People don't tend to remember the breakdowns that happen when the goalie makes the save, especially when he reads the play and is in position so the save doesn't look remarkable.

In reality, while they have allowed a lot of scoring chances defensively, they have had many more offensively. The main difference is their opponents' goalies are making the tough saves, and their own goalies aren't.
 
Weird, a goalie goes from playing behind one of the best teams in the league to playing behind the worst team in the league and suddenly starts playing like shit, real mind boggling.
 
Red_Man said:
Weird, a goalie goes from playing behind one of the best teams in the league to playing behind the worst team in the league and suddenly starts playing like shit, real mind boggling.
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Oh wow I totally didn't know Andersen was playing for the Habs now
 
In all seriousness, the NHL needs to do some serious adjustments if they want to keep this league competitive

Adjustments such as

  • Beating the Jest should only earn you 1 point, because it honestly feels like cheating, way way too easy, I almost feel dirty
  • Avs beating the Stars should earn them -2 points, because why not
 
Pikma said:
In all seriousness, the NHL needs to do some serious adjustments if they want to keep this league competitive

Adjustments such as

  • Giving Dallas a 30 point head start so they can make up for all the incessant whining coming from the fanbase about the refs
  • Giving Dallas a free playoff spot anyway when they inevitably blow their 30 point head start
  • Retiring Roussel's number league-wide
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Huh, well if you say so man. I'm for these changes.
 
19 & 21 said:
Oh right you're a NJ fan

We all know NJ fans are secretly Avs fans anyway so welcome to the fam, fam
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No, I mean I've never complained about the refs

Well, maybe I've complained about refs once or twice before but I swear it was a totally legit complaint.
 
First win for the Sens in Rogers Arena since 2004 :O

Nucks have definitely dominated us in Vancouver up until yesterday.
 
I see my Wings are one of four teams with double digit points on the season and get excited. Then I see two of the other 3 are Montreal and Edmonton, my excitement evaporates. We are sadly much closer to those two then Stevie's Bolts.
 
SmackCrackleNPop said:
Andersen uses mostly his size and solid technique to stop shots, plays the percentages. He's kind of out of position, a little too aggressive, skates should be top of the blue paint not past it. Doesn't have the athleticism to react to rebounds and redirects. Just needs to adjust a bit and get used to having Toronto's defense.

You know, Clayton Stoner is very available for future considerations (or nothing in return). He'd help Andersen get back into fine form
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You're absolutely right, the Leafs need a shutdown guy like Stoner to shut things down.

When are the ducks signing that hot euro free agent Lindholm?
 
eyeless said:
corny attempt at hating on a kid doing something cool, it's not "6 games" it's his first 6 games ever played in the nhl, it's an impressive thing to do

if he was a blue jacket or something people would give him props and move along rather than reacting with hostility
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LOL nobody would give a shit
 
zroid said:
I think you'd be surprised at how many scoring chances for and against the Leafs have actually been involved in. The funny thing about defence is it always looks a lot worse when your goalie doesn't make the save. People don't tend to remember the breakdowns that happen when the goalie makes the save, especially when he reads the play and is in position so the save doesn't look remarkable.

In reality, while they have allowed a lot of scoring chances defensively, they have had many more offensively. The main difference is their opponents' goalies are making the tough saves, and their own goalies aren't.
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The Leafs have their entire media and most of their fanbase throwing this guy under the bus, and I don't think they're being honest about the position he's been put in.

Last night against Tampa Bay, you had Matthews throwing a half-assed breakout pass into bodies - leading to Stamkos by himself in front of the net. You had Polak letting his man go and standing dumbly as Killorn shoveled the puck into the net. You've got pucks bouncing off Leafs towards the net or to open Lightning players. You've got EVERY Leafs PKer letting both Namestnikov and Stamkos behind them on a PP, at the same time. 3-on-1's and Stamkos one timers, what is he supposed to do? Save 4 of those to keep the Leafs in it?

You went and got an average goaltender and then put him in a position to fail behind a razer-thin defense. Your best defenders are your youngest defenders and you don't exactly have a good veteran forward group either. But yeah, it's all his fault. It's not that the team isn't very good, even when it's scoring at rates that can't and won't continue.
 
Sheroking said:
The Leafs have their entire media and most of their fanbase throwing this guy under the bus, and I don't think they're being honest about the position he's been put in.

Last night against Tampa Bay, you had Matthews throwing a half-assed breakout pass into bodies - leading to Stamkos by himself in front of the net. You had Polak letting his man go and standing dumbly as Killorn shoveled the puck into the net. You've got pucks bouncing off Leafs towards the net or to open Lightning players. You've got EVERY Leafs PKer letting both Namestnikov and Stamkos behind them on a PP, at the same time. 3-on-1's and Stamkos one timers, what is he supposed to do? Save 4 of those to keep the Leafs in it?

You went and got an average goaltender and then put him in a position to fail behind a razer-thin defense. Your best defenders are your youngest defenders and you don't exactly have a good veteran forward group either. But yeah, it's all his fault. It's not that the team isn't very good, even when it's scoring at rates that can't and won't continue.
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I can't speak for the Leafs media, because they're all hacks. However, I am not throwing Andersen under the bus, he's fine. But he's been bad. The point is the Leafs are bad defensively and good offensively -- no one is expecting Andersen to stop all the quality chances that are being sent his way, but he should be stopping more than he is. The idea that if the defence allows a high quality chance then the goalie isn't at fault is rubbish. Average NHL quality goalies stop high quality chances all the time.
 
zroid said:
I can't speak for the Leafs media, because they're all hacks. However, I am not throwing Andersen under the bus, he's fine. But he's been bad. The point is the Leafs are bad defensively and good offensively -- no one is expecting Andersen to stop all the quality chances that are being sent his way, but he should be stopping more than he is. The idea that if the defence allows a high quality chance then the goalie isn't at fault is rubbish. Average NHL quality goalies stop high quality chances all the time.
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The current iteration of the Leafs would fail with a goaltender that is performing. You can't outscore 5 bell mistakes in the NHL, it doesn't work.

Too many are putting this on Freddie Andersen, and the Leafs are on their way to killing yet another goaltenders career because of it.
 
Sheroking said:
The current iteration of the Leafs would fail with a goaltender that is performing. You can't outscore 5 bell mistakes in the NHL, it doesn't work.

Too many are putting this on Freddie Andersen, and the Leafs are on their way to killing yet another goaltenders career because of it.
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That's bullshit. There is no excuse for an .850 save %. As bad as the Leafs are defensively they aren't so bad as to warrant that. Andersen hasn't been good enough, but the good news is we know he can be better. Just give it time and he'll figure it out. Hopefully the defence will help him out more as well.

A few months from now this will probably all be ancient history. I feel pretty confident it will come together.
 
Silexx said:
Well, technically, Sens beat the Canucks at the Heritage Classic in Vancouver a couple years ago.
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At BC Place ;)

On another note, did anyone else laugh at the quick highlights they showed of the Leafs game last night on TSN? There were 10 goals scored in that game, 7 by the Lightning and the only goal they showed was Matthews.
 
zroid said:
In reality, while they have allowed a lot of scoring chances defensively, they have had many more offensively. The main difference is their opponents' goalies are making the tough saves, and their own goalies aren't.
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Agree with everything but the conclusion. I don't think any but the elite tier of goalies would have been able to make a difference last night.
 
bonesmccoy said:
Agree with everything but the conclusion. I don't think any but the elite tier of goalies would have been able to make a difference last night.
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He is letting in some bad goals, but every goaltender let's in a bad one now and again.

Seven rookies and a new goaltender isn't the best way to start the season if you want to go flying out the gate.

I'm actually kinda glad they're getting rocked in the early season. Keeps expectations roughly where they should be: a young team that has a lot of growing to do.
 
Razorskin said:
You're absolutely right, the Leafs need a shutdown guy like Stoner to shut things down.

When are the ducks signing that hot euro free agent Lindholm?
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As soon as we get that Stoner money off the books! We can throw in Bieksa too if he waives his NMC

This is how much we need:
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This is how much we have:
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I think with Despres on LTIR there might almost be enough.
 
bonesmccoy said:
Agree with everything but the conclusion. I don't think any but the elite tier of goalies would have been able to make a difference last night.
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I just don't buy it. You can't let in 7 goals on like 20 shots. That's like penalty shot conversion rates. I can let Freddie off the hook for maybe 4 of those goals, but at the same time I expect an average NHL starter to stop those at least half the time. That's their job.
 
GSG Flash said:
At BC Place ;)

On another note, did anyone else laugh at the quick highlights they showed of the Leafs game last night on TSN? There were 10 goals scored in that game, 7 by the Lightning and the only goal they showed was Matthews.
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Lool yess, they showed it after the sens 1st period.

Come on Flash. You clearly have no soul if you don't like getting pig face forced gagged in your throat until you can't breath no more and man liquids come out of your nose.
 
Sheroking said:
The current iteration of the Leafs would fail with a goaltender that is performing. You can't outscore 5 bell mistakes in the NHL, it doesn't work.

Too many are putting this on Freddie Andersen, and the Leafs are on their way to killing yet another goaltenders career because of it.
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The Leafs D isn't any worse than last season, and Reimer managed .918% in 32 games and Bernier .908% in 38 games. The current .851% clip by Andersen is ridiculously bad. Any average goalie should be at least close to .900 even when playing poorly.
 
Cake Boss said:
Lool yess, they showed it after the sens 1st period.

Come on Flash. You clearly have no soul if you don't like getting pig face forced gagged in your throat until you can't breath no more and man liquids come out of your nose.
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Guess I have no soul :(
 
yyzjohn said:
The Leafs D isn't any worse than last season, and Reimer managed .918% in 32 games and Bernier .908% in 38 games. The current .851% clip by Andersen is ridiculously bad. Any average goalie should be at least close to .900 even when playing poorly.
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I'd say the d-corps is a fair bit weaker: Phaneuf's gone and Hunwick and Polak are older and slower.
 
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