CrazedArabMan
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Does anyone know what Clarkson's Clearsi Rel is?
Pretty high, but not as good as Cleary's, might be slightly higher than Quincey's though.
Does anyone know what Clarkson's Clearsi Rel is?
Important note, because my first post was short and vague: I don't think anyone argues that shot quality doesn't exist - obviously a tap-in to an empty net is different from a dump in from centre ice. But attempts to *measure* shot quality end up being less useful than you'd think, because of all the reasons mentioned already (how to define all the elements, how to gauge one shot from a nearly identical one etc) and a growing suspicion that shot quality for and against is pretty random. A few years ago the advanced stats crowd was going nuts for shot quality but after a lot of attempts I don't think anyone was able to come up with a system that showed a meaningful difference from team to team never mind player to player. And if there's no real difference (ie a difference beyond noise/luck) in a stat between good teams and bad then it's not worth tracking.
The other aspect of shot quality that has gone out of favour is the notion that good defensive teams force the other team to take 'bad' shots from the outside. While you can see a connection between good defensive teams and puck possession there isn't one with shot quality, which is to say that good defensive teams give up high quality shots in a seemingly random fashion, or at least the numbers between good and bad quality shots against are so close it may as well be random That's another knock against shot quality as a useful metric.
I want another beautiful picture of our lord and savior (Cleary) as the only thing in the OP. Screw it, that should just be the title for the official first month of the season.
The only measureable way I can think of for approximating Shot Quality is by using position on the ice from where the shots are taken from and the % of the time a shot from that position goes in.
ie. % of shots from the slot that result in a goal vs. from the half-boards
But yea I don't know if that would really tell you anything
DopeyStats vs the Clearsi
It was because of that stat and looking at how NHL was rating shot quality as the primary reason for me forming this stat.
Shot distance is a poor metric, because of how important angles are. Close up shots (less than 5 feet) when goalie in position will have likely be a very poor quality. (as shot angle potential make it easier for goalie to save)
Slot and out of slot is poor because of the amount of goals scored at the hash marks and point corners.
Point shots have the benefit of obstructed shots. Closer shots have the benefit of less reaction time.
I want another beautiful picture of our lord and savior (Cleary) as the only thing in the OP. Screw it, that should just be the title for the official first month of the season.
Dopey you can't account for every single possible variable that could affect the chances of a shot going in or not.
Why not just split the O-Zone into a grid, and use that to look at % of total shots resulting in goals. Deflections and reaction time are variables you can't really account for practically in any way.
Lol im separating the ozone into zones and then using variables for the purposes of weighting.
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Bon Jovi trying to bring NFL to Toronto? Noooooo keep that terrible sport away.
Bon Jovi trying to bring NFL to Toronto? Noooooo keep that terrible sport away.
I think the city has suffered enough.
Bon Jovi trying to bring NFL to Toronto? Noooooo keep that terrible sport away.
Bon Jovi trying to bring NFL to Toronto? Noooooo keep that terrible sport away.
Wasn't the Bills in Toronto a disaster?
So, new CoD MP looks actually good, may pick it up down the line on sale as my MP for this year will be Halo for competitive and Destiny for co-op.
But do you think subjectivity could be eliminated? Ignoring the astronomical amount of work required, that's the biggest problem for me.That's an insane amount of work, but IF you could do it I bet it would make shot quality potentially useful. I just don't think it's possible for even a dedicated group of volunteers to track it, this would be much more difficult to do than Bill James' Project Statsheet was back in the 80's because tracking baseball plays is inherently easier.
Really, what you should focus on is trying to figure out a way to use technology to do that shit for you. If you could so something similar to what's done in the NBA, using video to track players, then you wouldn't need to do a thing with the data itself. Simply having a better, more consistent way to track ice time and shot attempt locations would be a massive evolution to hockey analytics, because even today most hockey stats are tracked by hand. Are you a video data expert by any chance?
But do you think subjectivity could be eliminated? Ignoring the astronomical amount of work required, that's the biggest problem for me.
Wasn't the Bills in Toronto a disaster?
Right. Those are objective fields. If that's what Dopey has resigned to, then I'll leave the rest to you guys.No I think dividing the offensive area into equal sized "zones", collecting shot data from each of those zones and then % of goals from those shots from each zone is pretty objective, its more about whether it tells you anything useful.
The other things (like amount of people in front of the net) and whatever else don't think thats possible.
The absence of a plan is still a plan.Are the Jets tanking for Connor McDavid?
I wish I could believe the Jets had an actual plan like that.
*dare to dream*
But do you think subjectivity could be eliminated? Ignoring the astronomical amount of work required, that's the biggest problem for me.
I was being a bit polite, it's a huge - probably impossible - if.
Unless they find a way to automate it, either with cameras or sensors in the equipment and pucks to constantly get telemetry from everything moving, I don't think it works well enough to get usable data for something like shot quality. And I'm sure the NHL and most of the teams are working on ways to track stuff like that without guys in the video room making notes by hand for hours during and after every game, which is basically what they do now.
Jets are gonna relocate to Seattle.
Tabris guarantee.
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Seattle probably deserves a team the most in a striking while the iron is hot manner. Should be able to latch onto the great atmosphere with MLS/NFL and create a possibly rivalry with Vancouver.
I posted that partly as a joke, but I do want Seattle to get a team. And I want the Sonics back, too.
BAHAHAHAHA! Love it.
Robin Williams is dead.
This is upsetting.
Robin Williams is dead.
This is upsetting.
So, new CoD MP looks actually good, may pick it up down the line on sale as my MP for this year will be Halo for competitive and Destiny for co-op.
Apparent suicide
Really fucking upset. What the fuck
I thought the same, so this made me laughBad timing for my Call of Duty map pack review, which seems trivial in comparison to this news.
RIP Robin Williams.