KO Traveling Hobo
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He did have that epiphany in D ending.
I think he needed his hate to keep him going, which is why he doesn't really let go of it until he's dead.
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He did have that epiphany in D ending.
I think he needed his hate to keep him going, which is why he doesn't really let go of it until he's dead.
Iriscomeback
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Yeah I realize that now
. For some reason I thought she was talking about 9S...It was a long gaming session. Will replay it tomorrow
It's fascinating to see how 9s and a2 basically 180 from each other before ultimately colliding at the finale.
In general I find 9S's meltdown very interesting. Yoko Taro didn't even pretend to make him heroic in the end. It's the closest Automata got to Drakengard.
So there isn't anything in the game regarding where magic went, right?
Because I just remembered that Devola and Popola were throwing that shit around in Nier, so it's not like people could have forgot since there's still robots from that era around.
I like the idea that magic is what the aliens use though. Would explain the angelic script and the machine bullets looking like magic bullets.
Because I just remembered that Devola and Popola were throwing that shit around in Nier, so it's not like people could have forgot since there's still robots from that era around.
I like the idea that magic is what the aliens use though. Would explain the angelic script and the machine bullets looking like magic bullets.
AgentLampshade
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There's also a D-type, and I don't think we ever found out what that stood for. In-game anyway.
I don't blame people for being confused about the end. I didn't do that side quest until after I got e.
So 2a name dropping this elusive type e android didn't mean much at the time.
Something I still found strange with 9s is his objective at the end.
1. Kill all machines.
2. Kill 2a.
You'd think the ordering would be reversed? Wonder if it has to do with their logical programming?
So 2a name dropping this elusive type e android didn't mean much at the time.
Something I still found strange with 9s is his objective at the end.
1. Kill all machines.
2. Kill 2a.
You'd think the ordering would be reversed? Wonder if it has to do with their logical programming?
One of the moments I can't stop thinking about is when the game forces you to pick between 9S and A2. You just got through a boss battle that flawlessly has you alternate between the two, and then it perfectly ends with each of them on opposite sides of each other. Then it just slowly dawns on you what the "choice" is, and I'm like "Fuuuuucccck, why can't y'all be friends!"
And yea, you get to pick the other option afterwards, but in that moment, it was chilling nonetheless.
And yea, you get to pick the other option afterwards, but in that moment, it was chilling nonetheless.
DrunkShogun
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Makes you wonder what would have happen if A2 put 9s down rather than 2b. No hacking skills so less info but curious whether 2b and A2 would have found some common ground and team up.
Via Purifico
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I finished it and I didn't want it to be over but those endings and character development
Jean Paul can go die in a fire
2B would had went yandere mode.
darkwing-buck
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I finished it and I didn't want it to be over but those endings and character development
Jean Paul can go die in a fire
Clearly the most detestable character.
Oh, definitely. Anyone else killing 9S than her? Hell hath no fury.
darkwing-buck
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YES! Such a great moment and I like how Yoko pull's no punches in showing that 9S isn't really a good guy at that point.
Marmaladefire
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I suspect he planned to self destruct after that and wanted 2A to be the last "person" he killed.
In regards to 9S, I feel like he's a fairly realistic depiction of racism, including having "a good one" in Pascal who he's actively shown to care for in the face of his "kill all machines" fervor.
By the end, I think he just needed something to keep going. He needs to kill machines and he needs to kill A2, because he has nothing else.
By the end, I think he just needed something to keep going. He needs to kill machines and he needs to kill A2, because he has nothing else.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I loved how unheroic 9S became at the end.
Where RPGs tend to have goody two shoe protagonists, it was refreshing to see all of that thrown away in the aims of satisfying his revenge. It was ugly and brutal, but that's what made it so interesting to watch unfold imo.
Where RPGs tend to have goody two shoe protagonists, it was refreshing to see all of that thrown away in the aims of satisfying his revenge. It was ugly and brutal, but that's what made it so interesting to watch unfold imo.
Not to mention he was being driven insane by the logic virus, which only made things worse.
darkwing-buck
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A2 + Pod banter> 2B + 9S banter
Little sister robot banter + 9S > all.
I wonder what 9S would have done if he could have saved 210 and the twins, his interactions with them show even as he is jumping off the deep end he was still capable of empathy and caring for others, it took all of them dying and him being infected for him to truly not give a fuck in the Tower.
CorgiSmiles
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THANKS.GRUMPY.LADY.
SomethingWitty
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Did 2B kill multiple 9S units before the 9S model we played? I was a little confused with what A2 revealed about 2B at the end.
If 2B did kill multiple 9S units before actually sparing 9S, then that is a very interesting foil between 9S self-made mission to kill all machines versus 2B's reluctance to kill our 9S.
Also interesting is that 9S ignored 2B's compassion for 9S units til the very end. A lot of layers for Android/machine racism here unless I'm overthinking it.
If 2B did kill multiple 9S units before actually sparing 9S, then that is a very interesting foil between 9S self-made mission to kill all machines versus 2B's reluctance to kill our 9S.
Also interesting is that 9S ignored 2B's compassion for 9S units til the very end. A lot of layers for Android/machine racism here unless I'm overthinking it.
Oh yeah that was from when he put the 2b hand on right?
Yoko taro always has to get all creepy sexual with his games lol.
BuckRobotron
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He was having to register shock after shock, especially so at the end of the 21O fight such that A2 had to intervene.
I think the fact that A2 came in and performed yet another final blow, again killing off someone very close to him AND right in front of him is what really just ended any good will left. He isn't prepared to understand her reasons. Plus, he just had a confession from virus-laden 21O on top of the revelatory 2B final message...I mean, something's gonna break and no time to see a doctor...
Add: iirc he is also at first double-timing his destruction of machines partly due to believing that those machine structures are preparing to assault the moon and wipe out what's left of humanity up there...he has to try to piece all this together on the fly and even how he feels about it, shifting to ditching humanity
Nope it's English then Japanese then chaos language.
9s is the same model, the same "person" to some degree and yes she has killed him quite a bit.
basically 2b and 9s have been paired for a long time, and 9s is so valuable to the war effort that it's worth keeping him around despite his inevitability in discovering the truth behind the yorha project (that humanity is dead and they are effectively decoys for allowing androids to fight a pointless eternal war)
the thing is that, every time 9s comes close to discovering this 2b is ordered to kill him and then reset his memories so he doesn't remember anything- so a brand new 9s pops out with no memories of their time together.
the revelation of 2E, is specifically the model type "E" is built for the purpose of going undercover and assassinating androids who are detrimental to the war effort- there's a sidequest that deals with this called "amnesia".
as androids are effectively all-but-human in how they function and act, it's no surprise this is mentally straining and causes the android in that quest so wipe her memories because she simply cannot handle the stress of becoming close friends with people she is built to kill anymore.
here's the kicker:
9s loves 2b, somewhat due to residual memories and a general sense of familiarity due to how much time they've spent together despite his memory wipes. you can see this in his usage of the "nines" nickname, which is very clearly something that 2b came up with during one of his past 'lives'
2b loves 9s for who he is, but is forced to kill him over and over again because it is her duty to do so. and in doing so, he is always forgetting the experiences and times they've shared together, good or bad- her being upset that 9s didn't remember sacrificing himself to save 2b in terms of uploading her memory first in the prologue or their mutual suicide is just one of hundreds, if not thousands of examples of things that make her just love him more.
to note, 2b already knows the secret of the yorha project and is willingly fighting in an unwinnable war just so that she can be close to 9s- if you take note of the virtuous contract and cruel blood oath's weapon stories, they're actually very blatantly about her relationship with 9s.
the way she interacts with 9s is a constant battle between her wanting him to be closer to her and the emotional need to keep him distant enough so when it comes time to kill him, she can actually perform the deed as she remembers every single time she's done it.
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BuckRobotron
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All that encapsulated by the scene where he is stabbing the virtual 2B avatar, demanding that it not erase his cherished memories, they are HIS memories. Essentially raging at 2B for constantly erasing what he treasures most...his memories of 2B.
Not sure. He could've been infected before that. I'd say it was around the time when Pod 153 said he was behaving erratically.
The more I think about it, 9S strikes me as one of the best portrayals of a racist in the medium.
It really makes 2B wanting him to "become a good person" make sense. Contextualizes her hesitation in the desert, too.
Clear
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Its not really a matter of race, its simply a case that in wartime its generally not a good idea to show empathy for the enemy that you are supposed to be killing!
They are essentially born with 2 primary directives: Protect and love their human masters, and kill their enemies - the machines.
The main way that 9S differs from 2B and A2 is that he's the "innocent" of the trio; he simply hasn't been functioning long-enough yet to realize the charade. Because of course, when he inevitably does, 2B (2E in fact) is there to put him down.
9S for all his faults, is the most "human" of the androids, especially when he loses it.
Actually, it comes up again right there when 2B is infected and Pod 042 recommends applying said vaccine...
Why didn't you have the fucking vaccine?!?!?!!!??
the vaccine is brought up a bit later in a2/anemone's memories as well- one of the members of a2's squad is the originator of the vaccine
the problem is the virus evolves faster than the vaccine can be developed to counteract new strains so while it is standardized equipment for yorha troops, it doesn't amount to much
Th-Thanks Pod 042...
KO Traveling Hobo
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Man, the golden machine sidequest is pretty awkward if you finish it on your first visit to the desert in route B.
9S almost has his worldview shattered complete with emotional ellipses after listening to a dying machine's minute long rant on the agony of its existence and realizing that he just murdered an entire family, sandwiched between smugly chuckling at the machines' attempts to imitate human speech.
9S almost has his worldview shattered complete with emotional ellipses after listening to a dying machine's minute long rant on the agony of its existence and realizing that he just murdered an entire family, sandwiched between smugly chuckling at the machines' attempts to imitate human speech.
BuckRobotron
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So, I just did the "Stay" version of route C and the last thing 9S does is look up into the brightest sky and say, "that's where you are 2B" as his last thought. And earlier 2B left her last message saying time with him was like "memories of pure light"...
Yea I'm like... 9S must be think I'm stupid if he thinks I'm going to side with his crazy ass at that point lmao
Haha yeah
KO Traveling Hobo
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She seems super important to the whole Taroverse, so I suspect she won't be explained in dlc or a short story.
A game where you play as Accord hopping through time, space, and dimensions could be pretty fucking rad. It'd even make the "collect all the weapons" gimmick make sense, since she needs to sell them.
Demoskinos
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Waaaaaaaaait where is this from? I finished A-E and didn't see this bit.
I like to believe taro was the first to beat it without help to put us out of our misery.I wonder if they seeded the credits helpers somehow. Because the first person who reached the credits was probably screwed otherwise.
