Feel like all Yoko Taro games give off that same feel. You just can't stop thinking about the game and how strangely everything fits together.
NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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_/¯Brat-Sampson
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Frankly I reckon the credits to this game, in isolation, might be my GOTY. They don't even really need the rest of the game to work other than increasing the magnitude of the sacrifice, but to start of as what you expect to be a fun little minigame, that develops into WTF difficulty and then Message received and you probably skip through it but you keep dying and you start reading them and realising what's going on and maybe you push ahead even further but you start getting offers of assistance. Eventually you buckle, and the choir kicks in, and it's this beautiful soaring moment as you overcome the struggle with the aid of others, before being asked to sacrifice your spent time to pay it forward, and it makes sure, unequivocally sure, that you're willing to do this.
And you say yes.
It was beautiful.
And you say yes.
It was beautiful.
This was me. I wanted see what the Emil secret boss was like first... (I still have to do that actually)
Hilariously though, I probably should've just deleted it, as it would've been a much stronger incentive to get around to replaying the game, as that is something I rarely, rarely ever do, much less consider doing it a few days after I've beaten a game.
But then again, I don't really have the time. Had to force myself to play Zelda so I could get back into it, and now Persona 5 is coming soon....
2017 is too good to us.
Oh, right. Don't know, sounded like a men's choir to me. But maybe I wasn't remembering right. Reminds me of another fun fact about FFVII. Masashi Hamauzu was part of the choir on One Winged Angel as a bass voice.
toastyToast
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Nooooooooooope
I missed a bunch of sidequests. Particularly one in the machine village that I put off and spoke to Anemone. Well you know what happens after that. I'll be altruistic when I'm done with the game
Interesting thought though
What happened to the machine village was fucked up
I missed a bunch of sidequests. Particularly one in the machine village that I put off and spoke to Anemone. Well you know what happens after that. I'll be altruistic when I'm done with the game
Interesting thought though
What happened to the machine village was fucked up
ShadowSoldier89
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do stories that sit in your mind fuck up anyone elses sleep?
I'm not even that bothered by it since I already sleep like shit, and this isnt the first time this has happened either. Still, I've got "Oh...Nines..." echoing in my head, so I think of the Pods and everything gets better.
I'm not even that bothered by it since I already sleep like shit, and this isnt the first time this has happened either. Still, I've got "Oh...Nines..." echoing in my head, so I think of the Pods and everything gets better.
Nah but it screws up my motivation to start a new game, then I get over it then listen to the Ost and remember it all again.
N° 2048
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I can't even begin to describe how much Nier Automata has affected my life.
ShadowSoldier89
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that definitely happens too. I usually end up swapping to multiplayer games for a while until I get the motivation. I finished tales of berseria and went straight into zelda, then went straight into Nier A. Now I'm putzing around waiting for Persona 5 while just playing BF1, R6Siege, and OW
I wonder if this game might have started its themes playing as humans instead of androids but due to graphic nature with child suicide and all they changed it to robots?
It did for me during route C run and a little bet after finishing the game. The catchy music didn't help either.
So you know how we get little stories of background about the machines in Route B? It would've been cool if we had gotten a few glimpses of 2B killing 9S in a bunch of different ways throughout Route B. It would've been a great wtf moment and would've made the 2E reveal during Route C better.
Brian_FETO
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Obviously it could work if done correctly, but I think with that sort of thing once you start hinting too much you can cause the player to actually figure it out
As it stands its super rad because you see the events but because of the context you have no idea, and that's why that reveal is so good. The 2E one in itself was neat but the "take care of 9S"......perfection. It's like a Bioshock style twist, except it doesn't fall apart when you think about how its implemented (and I say that as someone who loves those games)
Brian_FETO
Banned
Yes. That's exactly what that scene meant
You think she wants her to keep him safe but you see that at the end of route C where you choose 9S and she stabs him in her final moments
Best moment of the whole game for me (narrative-wise at least). 10/10
I was a little confused when they showed flashbacks of 2B killing 9S for reasons unrelated to what they explicitly say she would kill 9S for. I was left wondering why this could possibly be a twist that she kills him when he asks her to, like yeah.. i was there for it and it made sense each time, now it turns out she was supposed to do it? ehhh???
Made more sense when you realize they mean the 3 years before the game starts.
I don't agree with that at all. 2B obviously cared for 9S and never wanted to kill him at all. Yorha is gone now so why would she want him to die? Also, A2 doesn't stab him, 2B's final words prevent her from killing him, then he goes and impales himself when he stabs her and falls on her like a dumbass.
ShadowSoldier89
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nah, at this point in time 9S was no longer at risk from YoRHa, she knew he had a chance to live, so she wanted A2 to protect him. Thats why in both Route C and Route D endings A2 saves 9S, or at the very least stops from killing him. Route D took a reminder from 2B's memories, and 9S fell on the sword anyway.
Dreams-Visions
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Brian_FETO
Banned
I disagree with this. They flash back to her words "take care of 9S" in a really ominous way and immediately follow up with the stabbing. It's fairly deliberate wording
If it isn't intended for her last wishes to be to kill him, it's still meant to be taken as both ways
I don't agree at all that "take care" meant "kill him", lol. Above her orders, she clearly cared about 9S and that's what was shown in that scene.
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Naah, humans being extinct is too big of a thing in the game's story to change it over a single scene.
Even if they *were* humans, wouldn't be the first time Taro showed child death in one of his games (see
in Draks 1)
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Naah, humans being extinct is too big of a thing in the game's story to change it over a single scene.
Even if they *were* humans, wouldn't be the first time Taro showed child death in one of his games (see
Arioch
Dreams-Visions
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nah fam. there are lots of things that have a double or deeper meaning; this wasn't one of those things. 2B was asking for 2A to protect 9S. Simple as that. And she did the best she could given the circumstances.
Brian_FETO
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The entire relationship of 9S and 2B is that she's constantly killing him. She hates it and cares about him but that's what they do.
The final scene in C/D reveals the 2E twist, has the fight, and ends with a flashback to "take care of 9S" before she takes care of him with her sword. It's meant to have multiple interpretations in the same way something like "you can't stop thinking about how much you want to **** 2B" does. She obviously cares about him and does want her to keep him safe but she's also giving her orders to A2 (who cuts her hair and basically picks up where 2B left off)
Interpret it how you want but dismissing it entirely is a bit silly
The final scene in C/D reveals the 2E twist, has the fight, and ends with a flashback to "take care of 9S" before she takes care of him with her sword. It's meant to have multiple interpretations in the same way something like "you can't stop thinking about how much you want to **** 2B" does. She obviously cares about him and does want her to keep him safe but she's also giving her orders to A2 (who cuts her hair and basically picks up where 2B left off)
Interpret it how you want but dismissing it entirely is a bit silly
But, like, he accidentally falls on her sword doesn't he? The way I interpreted that scene, 9S was only able to kill A2 because she hesitated when she heard 2B's voice. 9S is a scanner model and A2 an attacker. There should be a clear disadvantage (even though ingame 9S is OP as fuck). A2 lost that battle due to her hesitation and then 9S foolishly fell on her sword.
The only reason 2B had to kill 9S was to protect YoRHa's secrets. It doesn't make sense that once YoRHa is over 2B would still want to kill him; no one benefits from that.
And you see deserters (be it the YoRHa deserters or the wandering couple) in the game, so it's not like androids don't have free will to disobey orders.
And you see deserters (be it the YoRHa deserters or the wandering couple) in the game, so it's not like androids don't have free will to disobey orders.
I'm pretty sure 2B wasn't going to kill 9S after the fall of YoRHa. There is literally no reason to do it, she doesn't want to do it, her memories only served to make A2 hesitate in doing it, and most importantly it's themeatically appropriate.
2B's purpose is to kill 9S for the glory of mankind. With the fall of YoRHa, her purpose disappears, and with no purpose, she dies, as all androids do.
2B's purpose is to kill 9S for the glory of mankind. With the fall of YoRHa, her purpose disappears, and with no purpose, she dies, as all androids do.
Dreams-Visions
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I hear you.
Listen, if you enjoy imagining it like that continue to do so. Far be it for us to ruin what you feel was the "best moment" of the game for you. I also don't like telling kids there's no Santa. But don't expect anyone to get on that train with you; that's not how any of the rest of us saw it. Especially given A2's ending where she not only goes in and removes his virus despite his hatred for her and the fight they just had, but then very clearly asks 042 to take him someplace safe. I'm not sure what more you're looking for as confirmation. It's clear to the rest of us that he fell on her sword rather than her intentionally stabbing him; almost as if it's what HE wanted. In fact, I'd say he damn near jumped on that blade. Maybe because he wanted to see 2B again just that badly (in the afterlife). Maybe because killing her was all he had to live for anymore, and knowing he was infected, he was going to die anyway.
tldr: nah, fam.
toastyToast
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It seems mighty strange where given the option to let 9S die after having defeated him in ending C, A2 saves his life and then choosing to die afterwards.
In ending D she explicitly remembers 2Bs instructions so she kills him? I'm gonna have to go with it was a scuffle
In ending D she explicitly remembers 2Bs instructions so she kills him? I'm gonna have to go with it was a scuffle
OniBarubary
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Maybe "take care" of him meant...you know...take care of him. Give him a little robot hanky panky. Maybe 2B mistook what type of android A2 was. It's an easy mistake.
She was like "Boy needs to work out his stress. I'll pay you double to cut your hair like mine"
She was like "Boy needs to work out his stress. I'll pay you double to cut your hair like mine"
Dreams-Visions
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Given the amount of booty in those booty shorts, I can't blame him. Who could, really.
Brian_FETO
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If I'm misinterpreting then so be it lol. It's just weird that when you chapter select it always starts with that revelation, in one option she takes care of him to keep him safe and the other she kills him (which is the only time you get that flashback to make the connection, because you don't need it when she's actually keeping him safe)
I have no idea of 2B's actual intentions or how deliberate the actual killing was but I do have a hard time believing the wording was not deliberate. As in "welp....you took care of him!"
Especially when you consider both endings can't be canon. Two sides of a coin. Filling in the blanks based on my interpretation is the error
I have no idea of 2B's actual intentions or how deliberate the actual killing was but I do have a hard time believing the wording was not deliberate. As in "welp....you took care of him!"
Especially when you consider both endings can't be canon. Two sides of a coin. Filling in the blanks based on my interpretation is the error
cosmicspooks
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I don't think I've ever talked about it, and it ain't nothing profound, but when I first beat ending A, my immediate interpretation of the line "It always ends like this" was, besides that she's obviously killed 9S at least once before, Yoko Taro directly commenting on his previous works and his history of just monstrously unhappy endings. So that this ending twisting right after this line and 9S lives and the bad guys are gone and things will be okay! reads like a direct refutation of that unhappiness he is known for. Then you get route B and C and....
But I think ending A still totally works as a commentary on his oeuvre! And also as a weird thematic foreshadowing of ending E doing the same basic thing but on an unbelievable scale. It's what we in the biz call....neat.
Similar deal with the bit in route B with "you're thinking about how much you want to **** 2B, aren't you?" I've heard ideas of how the blank is kill or something, which totally works (and feeds into the game's connection of death/murder and sex), but MAN I just love the idea of the game looking straight in the player's eyes and calling them out like that.
But I think ending A still totally works as a commentary on his oeuvre! And also as a weird thematic foreshadowing of ending E doing the same basic thing but on an unbelievable scale. It's what we in the biz call....neat.
Similar deal with the bit in route B with "you're thinking about how much you want to **** 2B, aren't you?" I've heard ideas of how the blank is kill or something, which totally works (and feeds into the game's connection of death/murder and sex), but MAN I just love the idea of the game looking straight in the player's eyes and calling them out like that.
toastyToast
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This conversation reminds me of the Mac is a serial killer episode of Sunny
Dreams-Visions
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Dreams-Visions
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I was more favorable towards the game, but yea, I feel the same. I love things where you can take a second or third look at them (2B's mannerisms/dialogue, sidequests that foreshadow, etc.) trying to properly process how both the machines and androids keep this futile war ongoing, the themes the game touches upon, etc. And when you put (at least some) the pieces together, it just makes the story more meaningful. And then you remember that Ending E was still a thing, and yea, one of the best games I've ever played.
Like when I first read through the spoiler thread, this was my reaction for a lot of it:
This is the first time in a great many years that I was hungry to play the game all over again from scratch after 70+ hours.
Actually, I think it's the first time ever. If I finish it again, it will be the first game since CoD2 @ the 360 launch that I completed more than once.
(assuming we don't include Dishonored 1/2, which also has the multiple endings approach requiring 2 play throughs to get the full story;I didn't do those stories again after doing them once).
I'm actually legit fiending to start over again. WTF.
ShadowSoldier89
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I just want more. 55 hours of play that left me completely satisfied, and yet I want more. I did the animal riding, 9S pantsless, and fishing achievements without buying them just so I could play more.
If I ever find the time to play through this game again, I'd probably go in hardcore and start making combo videos. I had some pretty good shit going, but I only had a few combo video worthy strings
ShadowSoldier89
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I'm so satisfied with the story I'd be ok with just combat DLC. I want to really stretch my legs with this system
OniBarubary
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Hey!
I really don't understand how some people think it's kill. It doesn't work in context with the surrounding text. During that moment, along with the pacing of the word structure, Adam talks almost exclusively about desire and want and needs and basically trying to get into 9S' head. Adam says he wants to "destroy everything" but that's in relation to machines. He also says he "wants everything" which is in relation to 2B. He's interpreting 9S as a selfish character and trying to get 9S to hate him by getting at his core. Considering how the rest of the game plays out, "kill" does not make sense.
The whole context of the screen is about desires and getting under 9S' skin wrt selfishness that doesn't surround his mission, the pacing suggests it's of a sexual nature.
Edit: basically what I'm saying is that scene is basically a 4th wall break want to put the player on edge for looking at 2B in a sexual way. It works with the themes better this way too.
No Hacking disc bonus and I assume English tracks? Can't take a look right now since I'm at work.
Well English VA 9S knows(read the chat too its hilarious):
https://clips.twitch.tv/HilariousMotionlessLocustUnSane
It seems to be missing the different versions of Birth of a Wish and Crumbling Lies (Back). It's really disappointing that it doesn't have BECOME AS GODS or THIS CANNOT CONTINUE but fuck it I'll take it.
ShadowSoldier89
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wait, does the 3 disc japan CD OST have all the english tracks?