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[Saucycarpdog]

When these threads pop up I always see the same whatever attitude about third parties. Seems kind of like a defeatist attitude to say "well they won't get third parties so instead they should double down on the Nintendo core and try to lure in casuals instead!" Have Nintendo enthusiasts just given up on third party support so much that they think it would be wise to just cater to a shrinking market and trying to lure a demographic that doesn't care for buying dedicated devices? Doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

 

[oneofthose]

You are never going to see strong 3rd party support on a nintendo console and you are never going to see 3 sucessful consoles that focus on hardcore, it is why nintendo failed with gamecube, sega did with dreamcast/ saturn. nintendo has to find away to attract the casual audience from a business point of view if they want to be sucessful. Yeah i want them to have more focus on core games but thats me coming from a fans point of view but if they went in that direction they are going to fail. Barely anyone is going to buy multiple consoles that play the same types of games. You will only see strong 3rd party on a nintendo console if microsoft or sony backs away from making consoles.

 

[Theanine3D]

When these threads pop up I always see the same whatever attitude about third parties. Seems kind of like a defeatist attitude to say "well they won't get third parties so instead they should double down on the Nintendo core and try to lure in casuals instead!" Have Nintendo enthusiasts just given up on third party support so much that they think it would be wise to just cater to a shrinking market and trying to lure a demographic that doesn't care for buying dedicated devices? Doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

I don't think it's defeatism, it's just people realizing "Wait, I already have that PS4 or PC for those games." So most people have no reason to care. Nintendo absolutely needs to care, but their fans don't and won't. It's not their responsibility.

I see lots of people saying something I explained in the first post: "I got my PS4/PC for that". Why would you pay for another console to get that game if you could have it in your current platform? Not everybody is able to buy two 300-400 buck consoles and mantain them.

I sympathize with those who are too poor to buy multiple machines. I'm in the same boat. It's why I got a PC many years ago. I don't have to buy a new one every gen. The same PC I already have still works with newer-gen games. I just can't justify or afford paying $300 or more for a console every ~5 years anymore.

All I can say is, if you really can only buy one machine every gen (and you don't own a gaming PC), I would suggest buying the one that has the most games you want. If Western third party games not being there on NX bothers you so much, then 3rd party games are obviously very important to you and NX might not be the right console for you. Give your money instead to a company that will actually give you what you want. That's how being a consumer works. You have the power!

 

[timetokill]

When these threads pop up I always see the same whatever attitude about third parties. Seems kind of like a defeatist attitude to say "well they won't get third parties so instead they should double down on the Nintendo core and try to lure in casuals instead!" Have Nintendo enthusiasts just given up on third party support so much that they think it would be wise to just cater to a shrinking market and trying to lure a demographic that doesn't care for buying dedicated devices? Doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

Nintendo wants to capture the mass market, like lapsed gamers and the people playing mobile games and stuff, and somehow that's the "shrinking" market? Not console owners?

Anyway, my argument was not about ignoring all third-parties, just a subset of them that are not worth pursuing at this time. The explosion of indie games and the huge amount of mobile development means that if they target THOSE third parties and also put all their games on one platform, they'll have more than enough software to entice people.

For the dedicated set looking for RAW POWER the market is already saturated. There's PC, there's PS4, there's Xbone, there's Neo, there's Scorpio. As I said, getting into that arms race is suicidal (and ultimately pointless).

 

[Vanillalite]

One platform plus increased power especially on the handheld side should mean a great platform for indies.

3ds hardware wasn't powerful enough for a lot of ports.

So sure some indies are like No Man Sky or the Witness and might have issue with the processing power, but the majority of indies would run really well at this power envelope.

So while Nintendo might not get The Witcher or Mass Effect it should easily get stuff like Axiom Verge, Hyper Light Drifter, Inside ect... Or at least their 2017 and onward indie equivalents.

Also being a hybrid should help sales numbers so indies would have more reason to hit the system faster vs the Vita/Wii U problem is being an after thought.

 

[Shaanyboi]

We're going to go through the same old dance we always do. A handful of third parties will try, only a fraction of them will actually try, and we go through the long painful process of fans complaining that third parties are lazy, and the third parties themselves coming to the conclusion that the people that actually care about the games they make already have other platforms where they perform far better.

Nintendo has never cultivated an audience and environment in which third parties can find success with their games. Maybe if they made an exclusive tailor-made for that platform/audience, but the era of developing an exclusive game that isn't bankrolled by a platform holder simply doesn't exist anymore.

Indies might find some success, and the portability factor might make some of them more appealing. But major third parties simply aren't making the kinds of games that do well on Nintendo platforms, and even when they do, the people just buying Nintendo games rarely care.

 

[Abounder]

Nintendo probably takes too much of a cut especially with their cartridge history. But at the minimum they should pay for easy porting from popular engines like Unreal Engine and Unity. Embrace the Shovel Knights

 

[fossi8]

can´t we just wait until NX announcement?

 

[Oregano]

Nintendo probably takes too much of a cut especially with their cartridge history. But at the minimum they should pay for easy porting from popular engines like Unreal Engine and Unity. Embrace the Shovel Knights

Nintendo takes 30% like everybody else.

 

[Calm Mind]

Give up the ghost before you become one.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

I could see NX having good third party support in the same way that the 3DS does, or even as the Wii did if it really takes off.

If you want Western AAA third parties, there's zero point in Nintendo attempting to pursue that, and no incentive for the third parties to bite. Those games have had no appreciable market on Nintendo platforms for the thick end of two decades.

That's it in a nutshell.

Too much of the mainstream gamerbase doesn't give a shit about Nintendo consoles or games and too much of the Nintendo base doesn't give a shit about western AAA gaming (or prefers playing those games on other platforms that are more powerful, are where their friends are playing online etc.).

Nintendo's path to success will lie in having a compelling first party library and getting the kinds of third party exclusives the 3DS got. In other words, offering something different than Sony or MS so they appeal to both their own fans and make an attractive secondary platform for core gamers wanting some more variety.

Only time will tell if it will work, but that's really their only path to staying relevant as a hardware maker unless some other major change happens in the industry.

 

[Owari]

maybeweshouldwaitfornintendotoactuallyannouncethedamnconsolebeforespeculatingwhetherornottheconsoleisviableforthirdpartygames

Logic? In a Nintendoomed thread?

 

[LifeBrandRobot]

Someone should do a poll on gaf.

Ask people who only own PS4 or XB1 (or even PC) what it would take to get them to:

1. Buy a nintendo console
2. Buy 3rd party on that console instead of ps4/xb1

I'd be curious about their answers.

Honestly the only reason I buy Ninty consoles these days is because of great deals. Got the WiiU on 50% clearance and 3DS from an amazing gamestop trade-in promo.

 

[EDarkness]

What's the deal with CD Projekt?

 

[Arc Christelle]

It never will! Stop hoping and enjoy the quality. Nintendo is an awesome niche product, just like it for being that and get one of the other systems as well

My cynicism after seeing what third parties have promised on stronger consoles and actually released, supports me being okay with this. Although I understand, this line of thinking isn't for everyone, especially those who don't invest in Steam like me nowadays.

But looking back at this gen, Nintendo's design for consoles are looking reasonable, especially with many devs not doing much with the higher powered consoles.

Either that or because Third parties been absent for so long I stopped caring.

 

[Rolf NB]

NX as a system (hardware, services) will not be competitive even with already established systems. As such, it's going to be a secondary thing you buy to complement your main, for the exclusives. There is just no way you would prefer an NX version of Random Duty 2017 over a PS4 version, given the choice.

As such the market for multiplats on NX will once again be the weird, small group of people who kind of care about the games, but have never quite cared enough over the past three years to already own a different platform to run them on, better.

The big publishers will try a couple times each, the NX versions will bomb, the publishers will cease wasting money.

 

[KageMaru]

The problem is Nintendo and has mostly been Nintendo from the beginning. MS and Sony have fostered an audience that better aligns to the AAA games released by 3rd party publishers. Nintendo hasn't done this at all, so they would need to start building games that attracts these types of gamers. Even IF they got some western support, it won't do much good if NX owners don't buy these games and support is dropped.

 

[Megalosaro]

Most third party games are shit, so nintendo is better off without them.

But if nintendo cared, nintendo would provide incentives for japanese developers. Provide an opportunity to rally japanese industry

 

[Bronetta]

NX will get lots of support from Japanese publishers. It just won't have those tentpole AAA western blockbusters (maybe Activision and Ubisoft will throw NX a bone or two).

Especially if all the Vita developers (Japanese and indies) end up on NX, it won't have any shortage of third party games but probably not the AAA western blockbusters people want.

 

[Justin Bailey]

I am not sure what about UE4 support takes it to mean "not interested in large third parties." Making sure UE4 sings on the machine is crucial not just to have existing tools there, but as a showcase of capabilities.

I just think they are going to focus more on indie devs vs. the traditional guys for third party support. Lots of indie devs use UE4 and other tools so that's what I was saying.

 

[Neoxon]

When these threads pop up I always see the same whatever attitude about third parties. Seems kind of like a defeatist attitude to say "well they won't get third parties so instead they should double down on the Nintendo core and try to lure in casuals instead!" Have Nintendo enthusiasts just given up on third party support so much that they think it would be wise to just cater to a shrinking market and trying to lure a demographic that doesn't care for buying dedicated devices? Doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

As mentioned earlier, most people who want western third party games already have a PS4/XB1/PC. The others just don't really care. Power alone won't magically fix Nintendo's western third party problems.

 

[Stiler]

If Nintendo had a good console on par or better (in terms of power) then ps4/xbone and they made it easy to develop for so 3rd parties could easily port to it I might actually consider buying it again.

As it stands, another underpowered no third-party system, no thank you. I like Nintendo games but I just cna't justify a 300+ console that will get playtime maybe twice a year for a bit and then collect dust in my closet.

 

[lOTl]

Mario Kart, Smash, Donkey Kong, Splatoon, Bayonetta...
There is no software that will drive many gamers to purchase Nintendo hardware.
They don't want high def kirby and they don't want backwards compatibility. Nothing pleases them.
Paltry sales speak for themselves. Less than 7 million sour people left in America.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

If Nintendo had a good console on par or better (in terms of power) then ps4/xbone and they made it easy to develop for so 3rd parties could easily port to it I might actually consider buying it again.

As it stands, another underpowered no third-party system, no thank you. I like Nintendo games but I just cna't justify a 300+ console that will get playtime maybe twice a year for a bit and then collect dust in my closet.

But that's kind of the conundrum they've been in for a while.

You say you'd buy it, but do you already have a PS4/Xbox1/Gaming PC? If so, what's your incentive to buy an NX if it's equal powered and has all the third party ports? Would you really pay $400 for that? Even if you would, how many mainstream AAA gamers would?

Vs. them having a much cheaper box (assuming they go that route and don't overprice terribly like Wii U), that offers something that appeals to their fans and possibly as a secondary console to some core gamers who already have PS4s/X1s/PCs.

Even when they weren't behind the curve and tried launching equal power at a generation start with the GameCube they still failed to sell competitively. They just don't have the devs to make Uncharted, The Last of Us, Killzone, God of War, Halo, Gears of War, MLB The Show etc. to have exclusives that make them appeal to the mainstream AAA western gamer who's buying a console for CoD, GTA, Madden, Fifa et al. and likes that Sony and MS have exclusives similar in genre, tone, graphic style etc.

Point being, few western AAA gamers are going to switch from Sony/MS/PC to Nintendo even if they had equal power and all the third party ports. There's no reason to when they have no interest in Nintendo's exclusives for the most part. They're going to buy a machine where they can play CoD with friends, and also play stuff like Halo and Uncharted. Not one their friends probably don't have, and to play Mario, Animal Crossing etc. along with CoD.

Maybe if Nintendo had kept up what they had going with exclusives/timed exclusives on the N64 like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Turok, Conker etc. but they went totally away from the types of games the western AAA market had moved onto after that generation for some reason, and really leapt away from it with the Wii/DS.

 

[Neoxon]

If Nintendo had a good console on par or better (in terms of power) then ps4/xbone and they made it easy to develop for so 3rd parties could easily port to it I might actually consider buying it again.

As it stands, another underpowered no third-party system, no thank you. I like Nintendo games but I just cna't justify a 300+ console that will get playtime maybe twice a year for a bit and then collect dust in my closet.

Like I said earlier, there's no guarantee that said western publishers would even bother if the NX was on-par with the competition. There's still the fact that most of Nintendo's audience either doesn't give a fuck or already has systems that they play western third party games on.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Iwata acknowledged that the Wii U's strange architecture made it difficult to develop for. He said with NX they would make a system that is easier for 3rd party developers to develop for. Now if they completely follow through with it remains to be seen. If the NX is intended to be a hybrid and replace both the console and handheld then we could expect decent support.

Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter will likely hit the system early on. Capcom did give some good initial support for the 3DS with Resident evil mercenaries, Revelations, SSFIV, and Monster Hunter 3G, so I could see them toss a few bones like a Street Fighter V port, Revelations 2 port, or REmake 2 in addition to Monster Hunter entries. Level 5 usually provides consistent handheld hits as well. Platinum also has a good working relationship with Nintendo that I expect to continue. Namco will also at least provide some initial support. As for the West, Ubisoft will likely release its casual games, some ports and possibly a new ip. Activision and EA will likely also at least provide some support at launch. Other than that they also had a good and still improving relationship with Western indies so hopefully that will continue onto the NX.

 

[AgeEighty]

Thing is, the kind of Nintendo that Nintendo would have to be in order to produce a console third parties will support—the kind with processing parity with the competition, with standardized hardware that's easy to port to and from, with full support for all the middlewares—is not the Nintendo we have, and it's also a Nintendo that would cease to have anything unique about it aside from its IPs.

Meh. It would be nice not to have to buy a Sony or Microsoft console in addition to my Nintendo console to experience all the great stuff third parties have to offer, but I'm not willing to give up the Nintendo that still does its own weird stuff in order to get that.

Like I said earlier, there's no guarantee that said western publishers would even bother if the NX was on-par with the competition. There's still the fact that most of Nintendo's audience either doesn't give a fuck or already has systems that they play western third party games on.

Nah, "Nintendo's audience" is made up of a lot of people who play those third party games. These are not two completely distinct groups of gamers we're talking about. They just don't buy third party games on Nintendo platforms when those games are underpowered and/or half-assed ports. If Nintendo could shake the reputation for having the worst versions of multiplats, those games would sell fine. But they'd also have to offer more exclusives that a wider range of gamers are interested in.

 

[Torokil]

Western 3rd party support will be dead aside from like Just Dance.

I'm optimistic that the Japanese 3rd party support will be good, though.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

So again a new Nintendo platform and again the same question: will it have a decent third party support? It looks like, reading comments from CD Project, or just the silence about third development teams about NX, the platform will suffer again from this problem.

The thing is that I feel that a lot of peolpe just accepts it and it makes me wonder, why the fuck don't you see that even if you are not interested in third parties, having a good and vibrant ecosystem of games with more support and more options, is better for the user and Nintendo itself? "I don't buy Nintendo platforms for its third party games". Well, since Wii there is basically no third support and the one the platform gets is low quality ports - some of them even overpriced -. I've seen this statement many times and now that a new platform from Nintendo comes, I've seen it again. Don't you think it is a stupid way to think? I have always the feeling this is just the worst way of thinking. The same happens with the achievements dilemma. I've seen many times people saying that they don't want achievements in Nintendo platforms. Why? It is something that it's just optional and at the end they became some per-game nonsense mess. What is wrong about having the option?

What do you think is the main problem for Nintendo to be misstreated by third parties like that? Just the narrow-minded eastern mentality the company has (I mean, Iwata was in charge also of NOA and the NOE CEO is also a Japanese guy)? Difference between power has to be one, but there must be more. Probably an old and unstructured SDK too.

Recently I found myself thinking that I would kick out most of the big heads in modern Nintendo. Probably the only guy left would be Shibata, the NOE CEO and because he has done some good stuff and looks like the Iwata/Yosp kind of guy.

Edit: After the initial discussion I'm afraid I probably need to put here more thoughts. Lots of people is saying "I got PC/PS4 for that" or "Western support is long time gone". That is actually the problem, I think. No everybody is able to buy a good PC or a PS4 and another Nintendo platform. Wouldn't it be good to have all in the same machine? Wouldn't it be good to have also western third parties on board? Why is this happening and how would Nintendo be able to fix it is what I'm trying to ask here.

I am sure that Western thrid parties would be happy to get on board the NX train if their games actually sold on Nintendo systems. Practically any developer will support a platform as long as they can money can be made on it. Based on past history, the majority of third party games, especially Wester games do not sell well enough to warrant support compared to the competition. You'll probably see some quick ports here and there to kind of test the waters, but in all honestly, most people purchase Nintendo systems for the occasional exclusive and of course Nintendo games. I do not see much changing with the NX unfortunately.

 

[Father_Brain]

As far as AAA support goes (I don't think you even need the qualifier "Western," since every remaining Japanese AAA game save DQXI is largely targeted at the Western market), the issue is what it's always been.

AAA games are overwhelmingly aimed at a specific demographic, namely Western male gamers aged ~17-35. Sony and MS have spent vast amounts of money over many years cultivating this demographic, through first-party titles, comarketing deals, moneyhats, and more. Nintendo, on the other hand, has almost completely neglected this demographic since the N64 era.

The resulting gap in brand perception, third-party relations, first-party Western studios/IP, etc. is simply too enormous to plausibly close anytime soon.

 

[StarStabbedMoon]

the reason you see so many people resigned to that fate, is that most of the people who care about third-parties have long left Nintendo by now. All that's left is us, everyone else moved on. The Wii U user base, as small as it is, is a good indicator of how many consumers are willing to invest in a Nintendo platform for just Nintendo games. About 15 million Nintendo fans plus people who just really like MH3U, max.

Ultimately, asking why doesn't Nintendo change staff, leadership, business practices, content, ethnicity, etc. to become a different company doesn't really make sense when we already have other video game companies who do all those things differently just fine on their own.

 

[Dope Skill]

If they want third party support like the other boxes they have to make a box like the other boxes.

They would need the following:

A system as power/more powerful than the competition. At this point, probably more powerful.

A controller that's similar to the other controllers with no major gimmicks.

An Xbox Live/PSN type online network.

Even with all that, it would still be an uphill battle to win back serious dev support, but I think those three are the minimum requirements.

From the NX rumors it doesn't seem like they're going to get third party support like Sony/MS this go round, although I reckon it will be at least as good as what 3DS got so better than Wii U.

 

[Jawmuncher]

All I know is I ain't falling for that shit a third time. Got burned on expecting a good amount of quality third party on Wii and WiiU.

 

[10k]

Whoever was there for 3DS will be there for NX.

Square Enix
Capcom
Koei Tecmo
Bandai Namco
Sega/Atlus
Indies
Moe and visual novel stuff that will get absorbed from the vita crowd

No AAA western third parties except for maybe ubisoft and Warner Bros Lego games.

I don't see EA, Bethesda or Take Two coming on NX which is a shame but that's how it is I guess.

 

[Nimmermehr]

Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch and Dragonquest are third party too and i fully expect to see those on NX. If by third party you mean Ubisoft and EA, those will surely jump on board when its profitable enough.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Most third party games are shit, so nintendo is better off without them.

But if nintendo cared, nintendo would provide incentives for japanese developers. Provide an opportunity to rally japanese industry

Even this were true there are enough amazing 3rd party games that it still matters...a lot.

 

[Aters]

They get some Japanese 3rd party games like 3DS and I'm fine. I get my Neo for the rest.

 

[Mory Dunz]

It's not gonna gonna happen.

Well, it might in like 20 years when the industry looks completely diff

Most third party games are shit, so nintendo is better off without them.

But if nintendo cared, nintendo would provide incentives for japanese developers. Provide an opportunity to rally japanese industry

Oh please
Like, really, the eff?

So would something like Bayo 2 be turned to garbage if some random other company helped fund it and came out for that?

Why'd I come in here....

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

At this point in time, who cares. The system isn't as powerful as the other 2 main ones, people will buy Nintendo systems for exclusives and Nintendo games, that's it. And I'm totally fine with it.

Maybe if the system is a success, third parties will jump back in. Too early to tell. I, for one, managing a game studio, wouldn't bet on Nintendo unless sales prove me otherwise.

If this was the case, Wii U wouldn't have flopped so hard. This idea that Nintendo systems can be sustained with Nintendo's first party efforts alone has been proven false. They need third party support. They threw some of the best software they've ever made at Wii U and no one batted an eyelid.

 

[Toparaman]

This is a gaming forum. Most people here are willing to shell out for a second system to play 3rd party games. So of course most of us don't care. Nintendo hasn't had competitive 3rd party support in over 20 years, and the NX's rumored power seems to indicate that Nintendo isn't even interested in robust 3rd party support.

I think the NX having one unified library of Nintendo games is actually better than Nintendo doing a conservative PS4-like console that is very powerful. I can see the next Mario Kart and Smash Bros having a more robust single-player mode, for example, because there's no longer a need to develop for two platforms. The trade-off for this consolidation is power, and therefore 3rd party support, which I think is a worthwhile trade-off.

 

[JCH!]

I am quite OK with Nintendo taking a more secondary role (at least saleswise) in the console market. I would much rather they come up with something new/crazy/different in which I can play first party games than have them fight over flops with Sony and Microsoft.

As long as they maintain the quality of their software, that is.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I mostly play Japanese games, and 100% of my third party purchases on the 3DS are from Japanese 3rd party companies. If Nintendo could get that support and improve it, while getting an improved lineup since they don't need to separate resources into two consoles I am good.

So for me, I will throw money at 3rd party on Nintendo consoles, especially if it got the same amazing stuff like the 3DS.

 

[Alebrije]

My dreams of a Doom, Bioshock, GTA game on a Nintendo console are all almost dead. NX will get the same random stuff from western developers like FIFA, JUST DANCE, THE LEGO MINIONS, etc. Do not even see UBI doing an exclusive launch like Zombie U.

Do not think 3rd parties will port AAA games to NX, best scenario is the GameCube era.

All the mobile minions are happy, but the home console enthusiasts were left behind........like Samus.

 

[10k]

My dreams of a Doom, Bioshock, GTA game on a Nintendo console are all almost dead. NX will get the same random stuff from western developers like FIFA, JUST DANCE, THE LEGO MINIONS, etc.

Do not think 3rd parties will port AAA games to NX, best scenario is the GameCube era.

My dreams are dead too.

 

[Deleted member 518153]

You know at this point I have made peace with the idea that we won't see much Western 3rd party support on Nintendo's platforms for a while now. What leaves me concerned though is the range of diversification this company wants to achieve. Of course, they have merged handheld and home console development, that will boost their software output tremendously. But then again are Nintendo's own studios and talents able to compensate what Western developers are usually there for to provide? Because despite all the creative power behind Nintendo they will reach a point where they simply don't know how to tackle an issue in their current corporate state.

We are all well aware how different Japanese and Western developing culture/philosophy is, Splatoon is a good example for a unique immitation with Japanese character of a genre dominated by Western development. Now while it's a good product and obviously a fun game based on critics and sales, we have certain shortcomings at hand which could have been avoided if veterans or other people with the needed know-how would have been consulted/involved.

What I'm trying to say here is that for a globally operating company Nintendo is way too conservative in reinvesting for their own future. A company like them realizing years ago that it will take time to reflourish 3rd party support on their platforms should have taken the necessary steps to grow, important genres that are popular are either neglected or completely lack any coverage for two generations now! A smart company would have acquired studios and/or build up more 2nd party partnership to at least cover the basics. Growing in this manner will make your software portfolio more attractive which inevitably translates to better sales numbers.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Edit: After the initial discussion I'm afraid I probably need to put here more thoughts. Lots of people is saying "I got PC/PS4 for that" or "Western support is long time gone". That is actually the problem, I think. No everybody is able to buy a good PC or a PS4 and another Nintendo platform. Wouldn't it be good to have all in the same machine? Wouldn't it be good to have also western third parties on board? Why is this happening and how would Nintendo be able to fix it is what I'm trying to ask here.

The problem is there clearly aren't enough of those people to actually make it appealing to third parties. They've TRIED to support Nintendo systems numerous times but even back on the Gamecube, sales weren't great and that support eventually dried up. The idea that Nintendo systems would do amazingly if they had Nintendo games AND big third party games is a myth.

Nintendo takes 30% like everybody else.

Nintendo's royalties doesn't cover the cost of manufacturing (same goes for Sony and Microsoft). The cartridges/game cards/disc cost is separate.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Most third party games are shit, so nintendo is better off without them.

But if nintendo cared, nintendo would provide incentives for japanese developers. Provide an opportunity to rally japanese industry

lol uh huh... there's that delusion I missed so much

 

[AdventureRacing]

If this was the case, Wii U wouldn't have flopped so hard. This idea that Nintendo systems can be sustained with Nintendo's first party efforts alone has been proven false. They need third party support. They threw some of the best software they've ever made at Wii U and no one batted an eyelid.

The big thing about the NX is that it will be unifying all their software output onto one system. It's a completely different situation to the wii U. This is a console that will be getting dragon quest, monster hunter, pokemon, animal crossing, yokai watch etc games that were never released on wii U. In general Nintendo will have a much larger output thanks to this.

That plus the wii U was handicapped for multiple reasons. The price was ludicrous for what was actually offered. The name was confusing and they simply weren't able to demonstrate the appeal of the gamepad. Even still something like splatoon showed that Nintendo can still push HW with the right SW.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

if this thing gets all portable/home console support from Nintendo and Japanese 3DS devs
I will be very happy with it (region free is a bonus)

I have a PS4 for anything else I might regret NX has no ports for

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Most third party games are shit, so nintendo is better off without them.

But if nintendo cared, nintendo would provide incentives for japanese developers. Provide an opportunity to rally japanese industry

Sadly, that seems to be the mentality of most Nintendo owner which in actuality translates into the reason why third party games do not sell on Nintendo consoles. Even if third party games are not embraced by the majority of Nintendo owners, third and first party efforts are generally required for true mainstream success especially against such stiff competition. The entire, we are fine with being second and third place/do not need third parties psychology is what gets Nintendo in trouble repeatedly, but then again recovering lost ground from third parties will be the largest challenge for the NX.