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[Osiris]

nVidia's Shadowplay use very little RAM and is very light on storage (About 3.8GB/10 minutes for 1080p@60fps). so I don't think it'll be that much of a stretch on Switch at all.

But I do doubt it'll do the "constantly record last 10 minutes" thing Shadowplay does, that would kill the eMMC flash storage in hours, not years, due to eMMC's flash's low P/E cycle limits, I imagine it'll be a record on demand only deal instead.

 

[Skittzo0413]

nVidia's Shadowplay use very little RAM and is very light on storage (About 3.8GB/10 minutes for 1080p@60fps). so I don't think it'll be that much of a stretch on Switch at all.

But I do doubt it'll do the "constantly record last 10 minutes" thing Shadowplay does, that would kill the eMMC flash storage in hours, not years, due to eMMC's flash's low P/E cycle limits, I imagine it'll be a record on demand only deal instead.

Is there any other type of dedicated storage they could use which would hold up after that many rewrites?

 

[ggx2ac]

nVidia's Shadowplay use very little RAM and is very light on storage (About 3.8GB/10 minutes for 1080p@60fps). so I don't think it'll be that much of a stretch on Switch at all.

But I do doubt it'll do the "constantly record last 10 minutes" thing Shadowplay does, that would kill the eMMC flash storage in hours, not years, due to eMMC's flash's low P/E cycle limits, I imagine it'll be a record on demand only deal instead.

I'd want the option to record on an SD card then, (Assuming it's feasible like camera recording using SD cards) would rather have that expire compared to the onboard storage.

 

[vern]

It comes from the same source as 3.2GB of RAM. He said that Nintendo wants this to be a pure games machine which tells developers (somehow) that it won't have a web browser or apps like Netflix.

I personally don't believe that for a second and I'd be open to eating some sort of games medium if it winds up being true.

My mate has maintained 3.2gb RAM and I'd say you can be prettt confident that's the number. Final dev kits have the same according to them.

The stuff with regards to OS features are very much my own speculation based on the things I know primarily from my main source and attempts to corroborate with others when possible. I still wouldn't expect a whole lot of OS features or 3rd party entertainment apps (if any, at launch). I'll ask if anything has changed but mostly at this point we are so close to the reveal I guess may as well just wait and see.

 

[Oregano]

Maybe the low res screen makes it have less impact on ram?

Yeah but it's doing it with 32MB RAM.

 

[Hermii]

My mate has maintained 3.2gb RAM and I'd say you can be prettt confident that's the number. Final dev kits have the same according to them.

The stuff with regards to OS features are very much my own speculation based on the things I know primarily from my main source and attempts to corroborate with others when possible. I still wouldn't expect a whole lot of OS features or 3rd party entertainment apps. I'll ask if anything has changed but mostly at this point we are so close to the reveal I guess may as well just wait and see.

Good to know that was just your speculation.

I expect it to have at least what the 3ds has, which includes netflix and a web browser.

 

[Skittzo0413]

My mate has maintained 3.2gb RAM and I'd say you can be prettt confident that's the number. Final dev kits have the same according to them.

The stuff with regards to OS features are very much my own speculation based on the things I know primarily from my main source and attempts to corroborate with others when possible. I still wouldn't expect a whole lot of OS features or 3rd party entertainment apps (if any, at launch). I'll ask if anything has changed but mostly at this point we are so close to the reveal I guess may as well just wait and see.

I've said it before but not having a web browser would probably shock me more than just about anything else I can think of when it comes to the Switch. It just seems like such a very odd decision when it's apparently incredibly cheap and easy to have one.

The fact that we know a recording button exists makes it that much harder to believe this whole lack of OS features idea.

 

[Vanillalite]

Is that 3.2 gigs total or the 3.2 gigs for everything else and .8 reserved for the OS so 4 gigs total?

 

[Hermii]

Is that 3.2 gigs total or the 3.2 gigs for everything else and .8 reserved for the OS so 4 gigs total?

4 gigs total.

3.2 for games
800mb for everything else.

 

[TunaLover]

4 gigs total.

3.2 for games
800mb for everything else.

What was the size reserved for OS on Wii U?

 

[M3d10n]

I know Nintendo isn't Apple, but the iPhone 6 can run iOS 10, a multitasking OS, on a single gigabyte of RAM.

800MB should be plenty for a gaming-focused OS.

What was the size reserved for OS on Wii U?

1GB, which was completely overkill for the things it could do. Like I said, you could fit fucking iOS 10 into that amount of RAM.

 

[-shadow-]

What was the size reserved for OS on Wii U?

1GB.

 

[ggx2ac]

I've said it before but not having a web browser would probably shock me more than just about anything else I can think of when it comes to the Switch. It just seems like such a very odd decision when it's apparently incredibly cheap and easy to have one.

The fact that we know a recording button exists makes it that much harder to believe this whole lack of OS features idea.

"We at Nintendo have made the switch, by going more backwards. Here are the features of the Switch, please take a look:

- 2KB RAM
- Mono Speaker
- Monochrome LCD Screen
- 3x AAA batteries required for gameplay
- No screen backlight
- 3 face buttons
- Cortex ARM A53 CPU Single Core @ 20 MHz
- Nvidia Tegra 2 GPU @ 2.333 MHz
- Wifi 802.11b
- 256-digit friend codes
"

 

[vern]

Is that 3.2 gigs total or the 3.2 gigs for everything else and .8 reserved for the OS so 4 gigs total?

4 total.

NateD said awhile ago the split is 4 total with 3 for games and 1 for OS. Haven't heard anyone else make a claim yet.

I've said it before but not having a web browser would probably shock me more than just about anything else I can think of when it comes to the Switch. It just seems like such a very odd decision when it's apparently incredibly cheap and easy to have one.

The fact that we know a recording button exists makes it that much harder to believe this whole lack of OS features idea.

Lack of 3rd party entertainment apps (at launch). I have said there will be apps related to gaming, though to what extent I'm unsure. Things like miiverse or whatever social media option Nintendo goes with.

Whether a browser is cheap to implement or not, from what my mate and their company was told months ago, Nintendo expects you to have a browser with you. They don't wanna compete with your phone but instead compliment your phone, and I touched on ways they could do that probably way back in October. Again, last I heard this was still being maintained by my friend and that's what I'm still betting on, but I never was given exact details on what it meant. Also, as everyone knows, things change during the development period. Though my friend was pretty adamant that Nintendo was really pushing the concept of a pure games machine.

I mean, again, we are so close and I don't have any new info with regards to this stuff so I'm still just saying the same things as I've been saying... may as well wait and see now.

 

[Shahadan]

Isn't 800mb for an OS a pretty weird number?

 

[TunaLover]

1GB, which was completely overkill for the things it could do. Like I said, you could fit fucking iOS 10 into that amount of RAM.

Maybe a optimization problem? Sometimes it wasn't able to load big sized webpages because it ran out of memory.

 

[viHuGi]

Just some days left guys!

 

[Hermii]

4 total.

NateD said awhile ago the split is 4 total with 3 for games and 1 for OS. Haven't heard anyone else make a claim yet.



Lack of 3rd party entertainment apps (at launch). I have said there will be apps related to gaming, though to what extent I'm unsure. Things like miiverse or whatever social media option Nintendo goes with.

Whether a browser is cheap to implement or not, from what my mate and their company was told months ago, Nintendo expects you to have a browser with you. They don't wanna compete with your phone but instead compliment your phone, and I touched on ways they could do that probably way back in October. Again, last I heard this was still being maintained by my friend and that's what I'm still betting on, but I never was given exact details on what it meant. Also, as everyone knows, things change during the development period. Though my friend was pretty adamant that Nintendo was really pushing the concept of a pure games machine.

I mean, again, we are so close and I don't have any new info with regards to this stuff so I'm still just saying the same things as I've been saying... may as well wait and see now.

I believe its very clear from the reveal trailer and the switch itself that its a pure game machine. It has no camera, the reveal trailer only showed of pure non touch gaming use cases, its very much being pushed as a game device first and foremost.

However a web browser and netflix are very basic features that even the Wii has. There is no point in not including them.

 

[vern]

I believe its very clear from the reveal trailer and the switch itself that its a pure game machine. It has no camera, the reveal trailer only showed of pure non touch gaming use cases, its very much being pushed as a game device first and foremost.

However a web browser and netflix are very basic features that even the Wii has. There is no point in not including them.

I'm not saying I agreee with this, but I can think of lots of reasons not to include them. The main one would be your customers already have a billion devices with those features and they carry at least one of those devices everywhere they go. If I'm Nintendo I'd rather you play games on your Switch or get involved in our social network.

 

[darkstar0155]

I'm not saying I agreee with this, but I can think of lots of reasons not to include them. The main one would be your customers already have a billion devices with those features and they carry at least one of those devices everywhere they go. If I'm Nintendo I'd rather you play games on your Switch or get involved in our social network.

Size of the switch screen compared to a phone very much makes thinks like a browser and Netflix beneficial. Maybe not a ton of apps, but those two I would be shocked if aren't included (even more if Netflix isn't possible when for a while the Wii was the number 1 Netflix player in the console space if I remember correctly).

 

[Oregano]

I'm not saying I agreee with this, but I can think of lots of reasons not to include them. The main one would be your customers already have a billion devices with those features and they carry at least one of those devices everywhere they go. If I'm Nintendo I'd rather you play games on your Switch or get involved in our social network.

Except the actual result will be people bitching about how Nintendo leaves out basic features and "just doesn't get it".

 

[Philippo]

The architecture of the Wii-U was a bitch, the architecture of the Switch is supposed to be a lot better and require less effort, for porting purposes easy is good, lots of effort is bad. .

But you have to keep expectations in check, the power differences mean that 1:1 ports from XB1/PS4 are close to impossible, there will be cuts, games will be scaled back in some areas etc. as typical when porting to a technically inferior platform.

I know nothing about tech, hell had to ask lots of questions in this same thread, but this is how i read it: ports of PS4/XBO games to the Switch will look worse, sometimes slightly sometimes noticeably depending on the quality of the port, but at least compared to previous handhelds, the game themselves will be the same.
But thanks to the more powerful and modern hardware in the Switch, which supports the latest engines, only the graphics quality will be scaled down, while the experience will remain unchanged.
Very different from previous gens, where ports or "portable edition" of home console games were significantly cut down or completely different (and inferior) than the original.
Quite the step up if you ask me.

 

[vern]

Except the actual result will be people bitching about how Nintendo leaves out basic features and "just doesn't get it".

I guess it would depend on Nintendo's messaging, which so far has been pretty much on point. As someone said above the reveal trailer was pretty much exclusively focused on games and the concept of the system, which didn't shock me at all considering what I was told prior with regards to Nintendo's focus with Switch. If (and it's a big if) they have the games people want and their messaging remains strong then I think they'll be successful and most people won't really care about what's "missing."

People are gonna bitch regardless, I doubt Nintendo or any other company really care about that.

 

[Hermii]

I'm not saying I agreee with this, but I can think of lots of reasons not to include them. The main one would be your customers already have a billion devices with those features and they carry at least one of those devices everywhere they go. If I'm Nintendo I'd rather you play games on your Switch or get involved in our social network.

I think Nintendo would be happy if people are using the Switch in public and gets noticed regardless if their gaming or not.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Isn't 800mb for an OS a pretty weird number?

Why?

 

[Hermii]

I guess it would depend on Nintendo's messaging, which so far has been pretty much on point. As someone said above the reveal trailer was pretty much exclusively focused on games and the concept of the system, which didn't shock me at all considering what I was told prior with regards to Nintendo's focus with Switch. If (and it's a big if) they have the games people want and their messaging remains strong then I think they'll be successful and most people won't really care about what's "missing."

People are gonna bitch regardless, I doubt Nintendo or any other company really care about that.

People won't care about whats missing? How long have you used the internet lol?

 

[koss424]

not having a browser or netflix apps would be baffling. I use netflix and youtube on the Wiiu more than I do on my AppleTV.

 

[vern]

People won't care about whats missing? How long have you used the internet lol?

Like I said people will bitch regardless. The console hasn't even been revealed fully and we get plenty of people bitching already.

"Missing" isn't the same as missing though, imo.

 

[ggx2ac]

Why?

Because it's not a big number measured in gigabytes.

Big means good*

*Good doesn't mean understanding the concept of big.

 

[Oregano]

I guess it would depend on Nintendo's messaging, which so far has been pretty much on point. As someone said above the reveal trailer was pretty much exclusively focused on games and the concept of the system, which didn't shock me at all considering what I was told prior with regards to Nintendo's focus with Switch. If (and it's a big if) they have the games people want and their messaging remains strong then I think they'll be successful and most people won't really care about what's "missing."

People are gonna bitch regardless, I doubt Nintendo or any other company really care about that.

Nintendo should care. A surrounding culture of negativity can hurt a product. Both 3DS and Wii U suffered from that and it was painful for the 3DS to recover.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

True spit. The general audience does not give a shit about console browsers. But the usage rates for netflix on Wii, 360 and PS3 were pretty high. High enough that I seriously doubt there wont be a Netflix app at some point even if it isnt launch.

 

[KingSnake]

Not having having basic commodities like a browser and a Netflix app, things that are present on any console and any mobile device will just still the idea that Switch is gimped.

 

[ChrisMahoney]

Like I said people will bitch regardless. The console hasn't even been revealed fully and we get plenty of people bitching already.

"Missing" isn't the same as missing though, imo.

Who would bitch about the Switch having Netflix?????

 

[Hermii]

Like I said people will bitch regardless. The console hasn't even been revealed fully and we get plenty of people bitching already.

"Missing" isn't the same as missing though, imo.

Like you said customers already has a billion devices with those features. At this point people have been condition to having those features on every device with a screen, because they have been for the last decade. There is no point in advertising them, or making a big deal out of it but if they are not there it would shock people.

 

[vern]

Nintendo should care. A surrounding culture of negativity can hurt a product. Both 3DS and Wii U suffered from that and it was painful for the 3DS to recover.

Right. That's why I said if their messaging is on point then they'll be fine. So far so good based on the reveal trailer though right? The only real negativity I've seen so far is from baseless speculation, graphic whores, and trolls. Once everything is revealed, if Nintendo has a good product and good messaging, then their won't be a culture of negativity.

 

[Astral Dog]

I know Nintendo isn't Apple, but the iPhone 6 can run iOS 10, a multitasking OS, on a single gigabyte of RAM.

800MB should be plenty for a gaming-focused OS.



1GB, which was completely overkill for the things it could do. Like I said, you could fit fucking iOS 10 into that amount of RAM.

The Xbox 369 used 32MB

 

[Hermii]

True spit. The general audience does not give a shit about console browsers. But the usage rates for netflix on Wii, 360 and PS3 were pretty high. High enough that I seriously doubt there wont be a Netflix app at some point even if it isnt launch.

Thats true for consoles with only controllers. On devices with multitouch screens however, people give a shit.

 

[vern]

Who would bitch about the Switch having Netflix?????

lol I don't think I said that but I can see how you could interpret it that way.

I'm saying no matter what Nintendo reveals there will be people critical of it. People are gonna bitch no matter what so I don't really think Nintendo (or any company for that matter) really cares. They are gonna do what they think is best for their bottom line.

 

[Vena]

Who would bitch about the Switch having Netflix?????

Netflix like a gaming app, and netflix built into the OS and running in the background, are different things. If Netflix has an eShop app, why would such a thing not be allowed on the Switch?

I think this is more of a discussion on OS built in feature sets that can run parallel to games, like WiiU's browser.

 

[Astral Dog]

True spit. The general audience does not give a shit about console browsers. But the usage rates for netflix on Wii, 360 and PS3 were pretty high. High enough that I seriously doubt there wont be a Netflix app at some point even if it isnt launch.

It helps to push their "take everywhere you go " agenda too,im sure the Switch will have Netflix browser

 

[OryoN]

Features/apps like Netflix aren't necessary for dev kits. It's possible Nintendo haven't yet made a decision on which apps will be there on launch-day, and/or perhaps they'd like to keep their UI and related features secret for now.

It's really not a big deal. I can see the rumor about no browser/apps in current dev kits being true. It's a bit of a stretch, however, to conclude(or even suggest) that this could mean that Nintendo won't have most of those common non-gaming features in place come launch, especially something as standard as a browser.

 

[Astral Dog]

Netflix like a gaming app, and netflix built into the OS and running in the background, are different things. If Netflix has an eShop app, why would such a thing not be allowed on the Switch?

I think this is more of a discussion on OS built in feature sets that can run parallel to games, like WiiU's browser.

How much does the Netflix app takes on Android?

 

[optimiss]

I'm not saying I agreee with this, but I can think of lots of reasons not to include them. The main one would be your customers already have a billion devices with those features and they carry at least one of those devices everywhere they go. If I'm Nintendo I'd rather you play games on your Switch or get involved in our social network.

I hope it has Netflix. I use my Wii U to watch Netflix every time I do the dishes and I would do the same with Switch.

 

[Vena]

How much does the Netflix app takes on Android?

The app size itself is irrelevant, but its not going to run at a high bitrate on <1GB of RAM with a good resolution, that's for sure.

It will be a full app like a game, not some OS backend feature that hogs immense RAM pools for the OS "just in case" you might want to use it.

 

[vern]

Features/apps like Netflix aren't necessary for dev kits. It's possible Nintendo haven't yet made a decision on which apps will be there on launch-day, and/or perhaps they'd like to keep their UI and related features secret for now.

It's really not a big deal. I can see the rumor about no browser/apps in current dev kits being true. It's a bit of a stretch, however, to conclude(or even suggest) that this could mean that Nintendo won't have most of those common non-gaming features in place come launch, especially something as standard as a browser.

Yea but Nintendo... and you are right those things aren't in the dev kit and as far as I know they would have no reason to be, even if they are in the retail unit.

Again, what I was told was that Nintendo informed my friends company that entertainment apps wouldn't be there (at least at launch), and they are fully committed to making a pure gaming machine complimented by your smartphone or tablet.

This was a)months ago, prior to the reveal trailer even, and b) maintained by my mate ever since

Again, in development I think we all know things can change. And again, this all started based on me interpreting and speculating based on what my friend told me. I can totally see a situation where 6 months ago they had no plans for those things but now they do. Maybe their 3rd party partners convinced them to be included? Maybe they didn't have all the software lined up that they wanted? Who knows? I doubt Nintendo would necessarily even go back later and tell the company my friend works at "hey we changed our mind on 3rd party entertainment apps" or that he/she would be in the position to get that knowledge.

Again, it's speculation based on what I was told and detailed above, and probably not even worth debating. Everyone expects those things so they'll probably be there. I am still betting against it, maybe purely out of hope my friend nailed everything I've mentioned, speculated, or leaked, and I get e-cred on GAF. Only a week to go now!

 

[marc^o^]

I hope it has Netflix. I use my Wii U to watch Netflix every time I do the dishes and I would do the same with Switch.

If the "VR" headset could only be a mere headset, to watch Netflix in the dark without annoying my wife in bed with the screen light, I'd be happy with that!

 

[KingSnake]

Again, what I was told was that Nintendo informed my friends company that entertainment apps wouldn't be there (at least at launch), and they are fully committed to making a pure gaming machine complimented by your smartphone or tablet.

Why would Nintendo inform a developer about that? What relevance it has?

 

[optimiss]

If the "VR" headset could only be a mere headset, to watch Netflix in the dark without annoying my wife in bed with the screen light, I'd be happy with that!

That's a great use! I assume by "Netflix" you meant "porn". And by "happy" I guess you meant "fappy".

 

[vern]

Why would Nintendo inform a developer about that? What relevance it has?

Edit
Nevermind

 

[KingSnake]

Because you don't know my source and I'm purposely obfuscating some things at times.

I sincerely hope your friend is just fucking with you regarding this.

The idea of using your phone for basic features on Switch and thus consuming the battery of both devices at the same time for something that could be done on one could backfire in a big way.

Edit: so your source is not a developer, got it.