TheMoon
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Do any of these matter, though?
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Nintendo Switch Presentation - January 12th
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Do any of these matter, though?
I Wanna Be The Guy
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The gimmick of NSMBU was having the best level design in the series and some of the best in the entire genre. It's gimmick was that it was an absolutely stellar 2D platformer. To me that was more than enough.
The context was always there. Once your off the Plateau, you can go straight to the final boss. To get off the Plateau, you must complete the first 4 shrines. It's extremely straight forward.
That history's over. They sell about the same now.
10,980,000 Super Mario 3D Land
10,600,000 New Super Mario Bros. 2
5,450,000 New Super Mario Bros. U
5,190,000 Super Mario 3D World
You mean delayed again right? 2015, 2016, 2017.
TheDinoman
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We've been told it's not backwards compatible.
I really don't think both Zelda and Mario will be at launch - cannibalizes too many third parties. But they can be close together in the launch window. Like Zelda in March and Mario in May or June, for example.
Using the same mediocre soundtrack for four games in a row burnt up a lot of good will. Art style and world sequence (grass, dessert, water, ice...) too, to a lesser degree.Dinoman said:
Hmm, the new Zelda and a new 3d Mario platforming game in the launch period? That sounds delicious. I think they can get away with 'only' one of those, though, supplemented with some smaller games (there is, of course, also that Monster Hunter XX game that is quite a big deal, I believe) and some WiiU ports. Having one game attract the market during launch and one extend the momentum into the holiday period is likely a better tactic, but in that case the question remains which of the two would be best. Zelda probably has less mainstream appeal than Mario (pretty sure about that) so maybe you can do Zelda at/around launch and use Mario to rake in the holiday moms and dads shopping for their kids? It is a tough question for sure.
I personally hope for/expect a pokémon game next year as well. If they can release the next major pokémon game during the holidays, either exclusive to Switch or at least highly enhanced as compared to 3DS, then I could see them using both Zelda and Mario to create massive momentum at launch. They would probably need to produce more units than 2 million, but maybe they already have plans for shipping many more units at the start of the next fiscal year.
At the end of the day, though, the mainstream is simply yearning for the next Fire Emblem mainline game
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Yeah, both games in March would probably do more harm than good, but a small separation between the two, with Zelda March and Mario May or June would work, I think. It would, at the very least, definitely get the harcore Nintendo audience to jump ship rapidly.
I personally hope for/expect a pokémon game next year as well. If they can release the next major pokémon game during the holidays, either exclusive to Switch or at least highly enhanced as compared to 3DS, then I could see them using both Zelda and Mario to create massive momentum at launch. They would probably need to produce more units than 2 million, but maybe they already have plans for shipping many more units at the start of the next fiscal year.
At the end of the day, though, the mainstream is simply yearning for the next Fire Emblem mainline game
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plz Nintendo, I want my Fire Emblem on the big screen for Switch!
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Yeah, both games in March would probably do more harm than good, but a small separation between the two, with Zelda March and Mario May or June would work, I think. It would, at the very least, definitely get the harcore Nintendo audience to jump ship rapidly.
TheDinoman
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Emily has a bit more info on the 3D Mario game.
"I don't know if there's a hub world, but this new 3D Mario on Switch has more exploration than 3D World and Galaxy."
"I don't know if there's a hub world, but this new 3D Mario on Switch has more exploration than 3D World and Galaxy."
Vic_Viper
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That's a bummer. Didn't realize it was already confirmed. Was hoping they would announce it as a surprise in January. Atleast Dragon Ball Fusions seems like a worthy send off for the console.
I have this very odd feeling it will be an open world game with runner levels. As in Temple Run levels. This is based on absolutely nothing but my nightmares lol.
To be completely honest, it wasn't until this trailer released less than two months before launch that Super Mario 3D World had any hype for it.
Before that, the game's reception was overwhelmingly negative/lackluster.
Everyone seemed to think it was a prettier 3D Land.
If they knock it out of the park with Super Mario Switch from the get go, two months will be more than enough to build up hype for it.
Since I am not very familiar with these games, could someone who has played Jak & Daxter: the Precursor Legacy maybe tell me if that game would be a good indicator for the openness of this game? Like, how open were Galaxy and 3D World in comparison?
TheDinoman
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Never played Jak & Daxter but I know it's supposed to be a big open 3D platformer along the lines of Banjo-Kazooie.
Galaxy's levels were pretty linear but there was some open space every now and then. Galaxy 2 and 3D World's levels were all super linear for the most part.
Yasss! Please be more like Sunshine and 64!
Jak & Daxter had a number of open areas, which were alternated by linear dungeons and/or vehicle racing sections. So, in that regard it sounds reasonably similar to what Galaxy is. Either way, I love platformers, so I am definitely planning on picking up my first Mario game on the Switch.
TheMoon
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close to zero. don't expect previous gen backwards compatibility.
Emulated Wii VC would be a huge surprise even.
So once you're off the plateau you can just go straight to the castle guarded by four giant pillars and kill Ganon? I'm sure there's more to it than that. It's probably true that you can bypass a big chunk of the game to complete it, I just don't buy the "straight to the final boss" sentiment.
They did say that (during E3 coverage), although I imagine it will be near impossible to win the battles around that final area if you haven't progressed the story in any meaningful way. Whatever the case may be, I wouldn't want to miss the story they crafted just because I can.
Glass Rebel
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absolutely haram
WordAssassin
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I think Mario will be in July. Switch is March, that rumor said "Zelda Mario and Pokémon in the first six months", Miyamoto said mario at E3 2017 which is in June, and Nintendo no longer likes to show off games that won't be out within a year of reveal.
They can reveal Mario in June at E3 and say "and it'll be ready for you to play next month" and boom Mario is their summer game, still within the 6-month window. Then Pokémon would be at the end of that window, in September, for their big holiday release.
They can reveal Mario in June at E3 and say "and it'll be ready for you to play next month" and boom Mario is their summer game, still within the 6-month window. Then Pokémon would be at the end of that window, in September, for their big holiday release.
FloweryMarston
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people really shouldn't be attached to what miyamoto said. He said that we would see mario in the next e3 or two. He just said that to throw us off. As soon as mario was shown on the switch, anything he said about that is no longer valid.
I mean, if it was his intention to create a pleasant surprise when Mario gets confirmed as a launch title, then I have no issues with that.
Dark Cloud
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I'm sorry, but why do people keep bringing this up? He is not obligated to tell you the truth
OR
the game is ahead of schedule so they decided to do the full reveal in January and launch the game with the Switch.
Linkstrikesback
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I mean, it does if we're in some magic world where they have a ton of other equally high quality software for the rest of the year.
That, however, is borderline, if not entirely, impossible.
Dark Cloud
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It really depends on what they have. Remember we have not had any big games in a year from Nintendo. And some of their developers haven't released games in years.
I can't see BotW releasing in the holiday. I can see Mario releasing in the holiday. Or maybe BotW for launch and Mario a couple months later. We'd have to see what games they have because if both release prior to the holidays then that means they're very confident in the games they have coming.
No, there would be absolutely no business sense behind the decision as well. There is only benefit in spacing those out in the launch window to keep up momentum and most importantly give a breather to other first and third party software releases.
FWIW, Eurogamer indicated prior to the Switch trailer being shown that part of the reason for its delay was to get the new Mario running better so it could be shown as such in the trailer. This leads me to believe the status if development or optimization is tied to the footage we saw. It would be unusual to delay just for a tech demo, and as others have said it would be unusual for a tech demo to feature Mario in a brand-new setting rather than a familiar one. And finally, since we know a new Mario game is in development, it's reasonable to assume this might be that game. The above leads me to conclude the game is in development, though it's impossible to know how far along, and that the footage in the commercial is representative og the product in development. Even if none of the above is true, were likely to see 2D and/or 3D Mario games in the next couple years at the latest,e especially 3D since that team hasn't released a major product in a longer amount of time since the 2D Mario team has (I believe that team worked on SMM).
TheDinoman
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Question, has Nintendo held back a release THAT long?
Like, something like Tropical Freeze was held back even when it was done, but Retro had essentially finished it in late 2013, so it was really only delayed for a couple of months, no big deal. If Mario gets completed by March, would they really hold back on it for that long? Like, delaying it into summer is one thing, but nearly a whole year?
Then again, when was Breath of the Wild finished? Has it been finished?
SinCityAssassin
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The wait.
TheMoon
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max, when did you stop reading your PMs btw
Majora's Mask 3D sat on the shelf for half a year or more.
VendettaRed07
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I am warming up to the idea of launching with Mario and pushing Zelda back to the Holiday.
It might be the better strategy, if both games are ready...
It might be the better strategy, if both games are ready...
And the reason is?
TheMoon
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WordAssassin
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Is it confirmed that BotW will launch simultaneously on Wii U and Switch? Because holding back the Wii U version until Holiday 2017 would be asinine.
Woah wait. Didn't they already confirm a March release or is my mind playing tricks on me again?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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No. Zelda has all the momentum right now
Dark Cloud
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I completely disagree. If both are ready then you launch with Botw. 3D Mario can be holiday.
Your mind is playing tricks. NoA website had March 2017 at first, but was changed to 2017.
There's no better holiday title than Mario. And it would be pointless to have both Mario and Zelda at launch.
And Zelda is unlikely to release later than March, they would have cancelled the Wii U version if it was the case.
Why not just launch with both lol. Pokemon is gonna be the big 2017 holiday NS game.
Having Zelda go through another E3 would hurt the game a lot, release it while its hot
Mario can wait
Rodney McKay
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Noooo.
At worst, I'm hoping one of the games will be pushed to the summer. I think Ocarina 3D came out a few months after a 3DS came out, 3-4 months after launch. That would give fans something to look forward to sooner in the year to avoid a big drought between launch and the holidays.
Personally, I really want Zelda there at launch along with at least one other big (or big-ish) Nintendo title. The Wii U up-ports might fill that need for me, since I didn't play much Mario Kart 8 on Wii U and none of Mario Maker, but I wonder if Nintendo will launch a Switch Mario Maker so soon after the 3DS version of it comes out.
We've seen 30 seconds of Mario. And 30 hours of Zelda.
In any case, I believe the performance of Mario Run will play a role here. If there's a lot of momentum it would make sense to release Switch with Mario. But Nintendo and "makes sense" are two different stories. 😄
Could you imagine another E3 of Zelda after the one we just got? Breath of the wild has all the momentum going, the marketing push, the big blowout. Mario Switch has none of that.
All indicates that Zelda is their next big release. Sure maybe Mario is further in development than we thought, but I can't see it releasing before Zelda. Think of E3, think of the Wii U users, think of the announced 2015 release date... May seems to be the last possible date for it, anything after that would be terrible in a lot of ways.
All indicates that Zelda is their next big release. Sure maybe Mario is further in development than we thought, but I can't see it releasing before Zelda. Think of E3, think of the Wii U users, think of the announced 2015 release date... May seems to be the last possible date for it, anything after that would be terrible in a lot of ways.