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[gofreak]

The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.

Why is the US saying COULD be a forest fire when SK is talking about an explosion? Saying it's a forest fire is a bit out there if there's no further explanation of why they think that, especially in light of what SK is saying.

 

[cybamerc]

Shouldn't a seismograph be able to detect an explosion of that size?

 

[DSN2K]

http://www.nti.org

great site with losts of info O_O

scary website 0_o

france are certainly armed well....

 

[Shinobi]

John Titor's actual claims have become utterly irrelevant. Now if your toast falls and lands on the fucking buttered side Titor predicted it.

:lol

Not sure why this is a big deal to be honest. We've known that NK has at the very least had capabilities to build nukes for a few years now, and NK's chief kook said he had 'em. So now he's testing them...so what? Isn't that par for the course?

Also, wasn't NK listed as being part of "TEH AXIS 0F EVIL!!!11" (remember that little term?)? It's rather humourous that the US took such swift and decisive action against two of the members of that notourious club, while they've done nothing but chat with NK. Well, obviously that method isn't working. So what are they gonna do, invade them now? Doubt it...seems no one remembers the axis of evil thing anymore, so they won't get held to it. Of course no one is stupid enough to invade NK...in the words of Doc Brown, the consequences would be disasterous.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

ummm...I thought it was known/assumed for a while that NK had a couple of nukes, at least?

No, what they had was actual plants that could be used to produce weapons grade plutonium. We realized that NK having these type of things running is a bad thing in a dictatorship, and sent Madeline Albright to negotiate a deal. We never really did out part (mostly food and such, but money as well), so NK decided to open up their plants again (see last year's NK debacle).

NK wasn't just supposedly seeking ways to get the materials to get nukes, they were getting the materials ready, and also testing out a rocket that flew over Japan.

So, for all you keeping count, they have a delivery system and now, possibly, the nuke to actually threaten East Asia, and possibly the west coast of North America. YAY!

EDIT: There were rumors of a nuke test in NK before this was going on.

The New York Times reported on Saturday that U.S. President George W. Bush and his top advisers recently received intelligence reports that could indicate North Korea is preparing its first nuclear test, citing senior officials with access to the intelligence.

Then again, who can really trust American intelligence anymore?

 

[Socreges]

and possibly the west coast of North America.

Fuck that! We're supposed to be immune to this bullshit! Let us have our earthquakes in peace.

 

[gofreak]

No, what they had was actual plants that could be used to produce weapons grade plutonium.[/URL]



Then again, who can really trust American intelligence anymore?

I remember with the negotiations last year etc. diplomats were coming out claiming NK had nuclear devices etc. So it's been suspected, just never confirmed.

Also, that Nuclear threat website was pretty interesting. Lead onto another interesting website at www.para-normal.com. Cool stuff!

edit - sorry, the para-normal site isn't actually linked from that site. I was reading about china's arsenal, read about a neutron bomb, wanted to see what that looked like, so I went to google images, popped that in, and a pic from para-normal.com came up (which linked to an article about "cobalt" bombs..a theoretical (?) device, like a big dirty bomb, that could kill everyone on earth).

 

[Shinobi]

Then again, who can really trust American intelligence anymore?

The very term "American intelligence" has become an oxymoron.

 

[atomsk]

NK should at least hold off taking out SK until the new 1TYM and Lexy albums drop...

i mean, have some decency

 

[Phoenix]

Poor, poor South Korea, they vere such avid Xbox and game fans.

"Now they shall pay the price for their lack of vision...."

 

[Malakhov]

france are certainly armed well....

Duh

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Also, wasn't NK listed as being part of "TEH AXIS 0F EVIL!!!11" (remember that little term?)? It's rather humourous that the US took such swift and decisive action against two of the members of that notourious club, while they've done nothing but chat with NK.

It sounds like you're placing Afghanistan in the "Axis of Evil", perhaps? Though it wasn't; when that comment was made, US forces had been in Afghanistan a couple months. The original axis was Iraq, Iran, North Korea, so

 

[Phoenix]

There is mounting international concern about President George W Bush's grouping together of Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil".

Source


The only one that the US has done anything with is Iraq. The US later 'expanded' that list

The United States has added Cuba, Libya and Syria to the nations it claims are deliberately seeking to obtain chemical or biological weapons.

Expansion of Axis

 

[Socreges]

Now that I'm a little older and wiser, I can see how fucking retarded and manipulative it is naming them the "Axis of Evil".

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Now that I'm a little older and wiser, I can see how fucking retarded and manipulative it is naming them the "Axis of Evil".

Whats worse, the name, or how effective the damn thing is?

 

[Socreges]

You mean effective at rousing up Americans against the imminent threat to their survival? I've always been suspicious of American's foreign policies, but I just realized that they would always use that term to describe those particular countries. At the time I didn't think anything of it.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

What's the time? It's time to get Il.

:lol

 

[UltimateMarioMan]

You know Il might be an opressive dictator but hes not a moron. If he had even one nuke fired in the direction of the US it'd be game over for him. Either NK would be a smoking nuclear crater or invaded very fast.

 

[0wn3d]

NK should at least hold off taking out SK until the new 1TYM and Lexy albums drop...

We need to get the former H.O.T members out of SK right now!!

 

[Saint Cornelius]

I wanted to laugh at Erro Macro's post first on page 2. :/

 

[Phoenix]

You know Il might be an opressive dictator but hes not a moron. If he had even one nuke fired in the direction of the US it'd be game over for him. Either NK would be a smoking nuclear crater or invaded very fast.

His goal is obviously not to fire a missile at the US, its to blackmail the US with the threat of nukes as one big ass bargaining chip. Also helps when your missiles are within striking range of a crap load of US allies. A nuke at the US meets with similar retaliation. A nuke at a US allies doesn't trigger a salvo of US missiles.

You might want to have as much fun, sex, etc. as you can though, because once you launch that attack - you definitely wouldn't be seeing the release of UT3, Duke Nukem Forever, or Nintendo degenerating into a developer of hentai games

 

[explodet]

"Hey, relax guy!"

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Why is the US saying COULD be a forest fire when SK is talking about an explosion? Saying it's a forest fire is a bit out there if there's no further explanation of why they think that, especially in light of what SK is saying.

Because you just had a president and vice president say you will be safer with us at the helm. If you go back and say oh yeah NK yeah they have nukes. That blows the whole theory in the water an makes people scared.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

A nuke at the US meets with similar retaliation. A nuke at a US allies doesn't trigger a salvo of US missiles.

I would tend to disagree with this part, I would think that if he nuked Japan or South Korea, I am pretty sure that NK would be uninhabitable 45 minutes after the fact.

 

[ManaByte]

I would tend to disagree with this part, I would think that if he nuked Japan or South Korea, I am pretty sure that NK would be uninhabitable 45 minutes after the fact.

Yea, NK would probably be hit so hard SK would turn into an island.

 

[UltimateMarioMan]

You might want to have as much fun, sex, etc. as you can though, because once you launch that attack - you definitely wouldn't be seeing the release of UT3, Duke Nukem Forever, or Nintendo degenerating into a developer of hentai games

Like Duke Nukem Forever is ever coming out anyway!

 

[teiresias]

John Titor even said Duke Nukem Forever hadn't been released yet in his time!!!

 

[KingV]

You know Il might be an opressive dictator but hes not a moron. If he had even one nuke fired in the direction of the US it'd be game over for him. Either NK would be a smoking nuclear crater or invaded very fast.

He's almost certifiably mentally unstable. How about when he kidnapped his favorite director for him to direct some weird ass movie that, IIRC, he wrote the script for (can't remember all of the details). He also, purportedly writes romance novels under a pen name, and then there's the whole hair/platform shoe thing to make himself look taller. Kind of a scary guy to have nukes.

 

[Ripclawe]

someone is going to release sat pics in the next couple of days. WE should see something.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

He's almost certifiably mentally unstable.

Yeah you're right. The dude has a severe case of paranoid narcissism. He definitely doesn't want a death wish, but if he ever thought his number was up, he wouldn't hesitate to use whatever he's got.

On a similar note, check out some of these North Korean Propaganda videos:

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMJONGIL.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMSROSESHI.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboNKHIGHSCHOOL.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html

 

[KingV]

Yeah you're right. The dude has a severe case of paranoid narcissism. He definitely doesn't want a death wish, but if he ever thought his number was up, he wouldn't hesitate to use whatever he's got.

On a similar note, check out some of these North Korean Propaganda videos:

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMJONGIL.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMSROSESHI.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboNKHIGHSCHOOL.html
http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html

Very... strange, I like the one with him on the horse and the blind guy sunglasses.

 

[Phoenix]

I would tend to disagree with this part, I would think that if he nuked Japan or South Korea, I am pretty sure that NK would be uninhabitable 45 minutes after the fact.

Not by our hand I don't think. We would most certainly respond, but I don't believe that would be a nuclear response unless they had the ability to hit us directly. If we really planned a nuclear response to an attack on NK, we would have been at defcon one during missle attacks in the area of japan by RNK or heating our ICBM silos during the missle tests right over Taiwan. Nah, I don't believe we have in our military strategy a nuclear response for hitting our alies unless its a major move against NATO.

 

[TheQueen'sOwn]

Even if nothing picked up on the explosion wouldn't a satellite or something be able to pick up on the radiation long after one went off?

 

[XS+]

Something isn't right here. Japan and China and surrounding countries would have reported fallout if it was a nuke that went off, correct? You can't keep an above-ground nuke detonation a secret.

 

[KingV]

Something isn't right here. Japan and China and surrounding countries would have reported fallout if it was a nuke that went off, correct? You can't keep an above-ground nuke detonation a secret.

Depends on the weather. Though, AFAIK, the seismographs can accurately read a nuclear detonation anywhere in the world. Apparently remarkably different from other types of ground shaking phenomena.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboKIMSROSESHI.html

These kids are gonna give me nightmares. There is just something...wrong with the boy.

 

[Phoenix]

Something isn't right here. Japan and China and surrounding countries would have reported fallout if it was a nuke that went off, correct? You can't keep an above-ground nuke detonation a secret.

Japan is already saying that is wasn't nuclear....

North Korea Blast Wasn't Nuclear Test, Japan Says (Update2)

Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- An explosion that generated a mushroom cloud in North Korea wasn't a nuclear detonation because no seismic waves indicating an atomic blast were detected, said Hiroyuki Hosoda, Japan's chief cabinet secretary.

``A nuclear explosion creates seismic waves, and no such activity was detected,'' Hosoda, the government's chief spokesman, said at a regular press briefing in Tokyo. ``We have no concrete information about the event.''

Source

 

[XS+]

Japan is already saying that is wasn't nuclear....





Source

Well thank goodness for me. I hear Leukemia is a bitch.

 

[GDGF]

enos lives indeed.

 

[Shinobi]

It sounds like you're placing Afghanistan in the "Axis of Evil", perhaps? Though it wasn't; when that comment was made, US forces had been in Afghanistan a couple months. The original axis was Iraq, Iran, North Korea, so

Shows just how long it's been since it was given mention...forgot all about Iran's face turn.

 

[Ill Saint]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/13/nkorea.blast/index.html

LONDON, England (CNN) -- North Korea has said a large mushroom cloud seen over the nation in satellite images was the result of a deliberate demolition of a mountain for a power plant.

 

[Hitokage]

Meanwhile, Rumsfeld feels perfectly justified in pulling troops out of South Korea.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2004/n09082004_2004090802.html

 

[Ripclawe]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3650702.stm

N Korea allows blast site visit


South Korean media has been full of speculation about the blast
A British diplomat is to be allowed to visit the site of a huge explosion in North Korea that raised fears of a nuclear test, a British minister says.
The UK's Foreign Office minister Bill Rammell requested acccess to the site during a visit to North Korea.

Pyongyang said the explosion was in fact the demolition of a mountain as part of a huge hydro-electric project.

In an unusual concession, North Korea said Britain's ambassador could visit the site to see forhimself.

Mr Rammell, who earlier held talks with the country's foreign minister, Paek Nam-sun, welcomed the offer.



"Having asked the vice foreign minister this morning for our ambassador and other ambassadors to be allowed to visit the scene of the explosion I am very pleased the North Koreans have agreed to the request," Mr Rammell said.

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409130013.html

BBC also reported that Rammell asked Paek to allow a visit the blast site, and Paek said he would consider the request. Bill Rammell is visiting Pyongyang to discuss the nuclear issue and human rights.

A South Korean government official said, “There are over 6,000 hydroelectric power station under construction in the country, so the North’s claim may be true,” but added, “I am suspicious, however, as to why the North had to blow up such a large amount of ammunition.” Dam experts say that the region of the explosion is a mountainous area with little rainfall, which is an inadequate choice for a dam site.

US ambassador Christopher Hill said in his meeting with Prime Minister Lee Hai-chan that the explosion was probably a "simple accident," not related to the nuclear activities, according to Lee Gang-jin, a senior press secretary to the prime minister. Unification minister Chung Dong-young also said in an Assembly session that the matter was not one over which one should show much concern.

 

[LuckyBrand]

Now BigJonsson... we had TALKS with North Korea. We were busy bombing Iraq, 'cause they had stuff like old soviet missles and mustard gas! All North Korea has are a bunch of nukes, most likely! Come on! Iraq was so necessary for the safety of the free world! NK can be resolved through talks.

yes, all you liberals who bring up NK, I am sure you guys woulda LOVED a war with a nuclear enabled country instead of one that wasnt.. also with a much larger army...

great idea!!! we should have attacked NK instead of iraq!!! darrrrrr

 

[Hitokage]

yes, all you liberals who bring up NK, I am sure you guys woulda LOVED a war with a nuclear enabled country instead of one that wasnt.. also with a much larger army...

great idea!!! we should have attacked NK instead of iraq!!! darrrrrr

...

Sometimes I think it's me who has a shitty memory.

 

[Dilbert]

yes, all you liberals who bring up NK, I am sure you guys woulda LOVED a war with a nuclear enabled country instead of one that wasnt.. also with a much larger army...

great idea!!! we should have attacked NK instead of iraq!!! darrrrrr

How about, "we shouldn't have attacked EITHER country?"

Your tag is apropos.

 

[Drensch]

Meanwhile, Rumsfeld feels perfectly justified in pulling troops out of South Korea.

Hey, we need to invade a unrelated unarmed oil rich country.

 

[Phoenix]

Hey, we need to invade a unrelated unarmed oil rich country.

Strange, there are countries all over Africa that have oil AND are committing atrocities. Most of these countries have armies that might take a few hours to rout, yet we don't take them and seize their oil....