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*NO BOOK SPOILERS* Game of Thrones - Season 2 - Sundays on HBO (read rules in OP)
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You know nothing, SouthernDragon.
Sansa's story line is the weakest of all storylines but it is progressing and she is growing. The last episode was an example of how she's grown. She acted all upset and distraught when Cercei and Joffrey looked up at her. She marched off but gave a big smile/sigh of relief when she was replaced with hot tudor chick. She's playing the emotions to keep her ass clear of trouble. Littlefinger called her out on it, though. Maybe they'll leave together? Maybe she'll meet Hound somewhere? Idunno
SouthernDragon
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I know what is known.
I think what people are seeing is that Sansa is not proactive (Jon Snow kinda has the same problem lately). She has grown as a character, she's learned things, she's lost some naïveté, but she doesn't make decisions and then follow through on them.
Arya is proactive. Tyrion is proactive. Robb is mostly proactive. That's what makes them so much fun to watch. Sansa... just isn't.
Arya is proactive. Tyrion is proactive. Robb is mostly proactive. That's what makes them so much fun to watch. Sansa... just isn't.
That seems to be a fair criticism actually.
Though I don't know what options she really has at her disposal to go in that direction?
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SouthernDragon
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This, and he'd be waiting a decade for that fancy box.
Is a decade really worth the wait to rewatch at your leisure? Nope.
She doesn't. Sansa is in a bind, and lack of action is the best she can manage. She's not tough, like Arya, to escape through dirt, sewage, and danger. She's not clever, like Tyrion, to escape by wit, manipulation, or cunning. She's not brave, like Robb, to fight and possibly die.
She's just learning the game, and she's in the heart of her enemy's power. If she becomes tough, clever, and brave, perhaps she could kill one person in the castle, but who? Joffrey earns himself no friends through his vileness and craven ways, Cersei makes the smallfolk her enemy, and everyone else is defended by sword and armor. Joffrey and Cersei are the most likely targets for an assassination; why bother trying to go for them? Everyone else is relatively unimportant so that she can focus them, but they are much more physically able than she is.
Sansa can't do much except be tossed around by court intrigue, and the question is who's fingers close in around her.
timetokill
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She had the option to throw herself off that bridge and take Joffrey with her. Or go with the Hound.
It seems like she has a fair number of options that just fall in her lap and she doesn't take them. So not only is she not proactive, she doesn't take advantage of opportunities that come to her.
Except the ones to sell out her family, of course. She jumps all over those ones.
Hey man.... she was lead to believe that Ned would live, and that's the only reason why she did what she did =/
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Are you seriously suggesting she should have grabbed the opportunity to kill herself?
Ninja Scooter
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By the time Game of Thrones is done we might not even have physical media anymore. Might as well buy them now.
robertsan21
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There is one thing that made me confused.
Sansa being asked by the hound if he can take her back to winterfell.
what happend with that? why didnt she go?
I thought it was clear that she wanted to go in that scene.
Sansa being asked by the hound if he can take her back to winterfell.
what happend with that? why didnt she go?
I thought it was clear that she wanted to go in that scene.
Funky Papa
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She's dumb.
He's an ugly ass killer that boast about how killing people is the sweetest thing there is.
He's an ugly ass killer that boast about how killing people is the sweetest thing there is.
SouthernDragon
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Did you see the Hound? He looks scary.
He's also still loyal to the Lannisters, as far as she knows, and she doesn't exactly trust Lannisters either.
robertsan21
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I have no doubt that the hound will be taking her soon, the last episode does not make it easy for sansa to stay in that city... I hope the hound takes her somewhere else.
I would be willing to bet that the hound has already left, to me it seemed like he was leaving at that moment and didn't plan on returning.
This is just stupid, killing yourself is proactive now? Not to mention the Hound grabbed her in that scene on the bridge.
As for leaving with the Hound, the writers made it very clear that Sansa and the hound were under the impression stannis's takeover of kings landing was imminent.
Sansa's options were stay in kings landing where you know stannis is moral and has a good relationship with my father and in all likelihood would return her home, or run off with a guy who just got done telling you how much he enjoys killing things and had been a creeper most of the series toward you.
I don't know if going with the hound would have been wise. He made a point to say he didn't give a fuck about saving her or anything for that matter except for killing which comes off as fucking bananas. I dunno if a defenseless and untouched girl would want be alone in the wilderness with him since there is no way to explain his motives of doing anything nice.
It had the potential to be awesome from a viewer's perspective since he is apparently some sort of human meat grinder, but I probably wouldn't have gone either if I was her.
It had the potential to be awesome from a viewer's perspective since he is apparently some sort of human meat grinder, but I probably wouldn't have gone either if I was her.
The Hound has GTFO'd out of Kings Landing. Dude really doesn't like fire.
robertsan21
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well in the scene where he asks her if she wants to go to winterfell, he is kind of sick of kings landing and the king, I am also getting the feeling that he is afraid that they will kill him for what he did during the fighting.
so by taking Sansa to winterfell he might feel that there is some sort of escape route away from being killed by the king.
HyperBitHero
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Am I the only one who found that dragon fire scene to be lame?
Another thing I hate about Sansa is the way she talks. So whiny at the end of her sentence. "But you're doing it wrong."*pout*
And youth has nothing to do with it. Arya is younger. Don't hate her. Bran is younger still. No hate there. It's not about not being active or useful either. Rickon gets no hate from me!
Her scenes weren't even as boring or frustrating as Danny's or Jon's. I just hate the character. ...personally. I don't hope anyone in real life dies. I hope the actress lives just fine. I don't wish death on any 14 year old girls including daughters, sisters, cousins, friends, well wishers, etc that you may or may not have, know, or have known in the past.
I said she was on my personal list. You're looking way too much into this. Like I actually want a real person dead or something. I just don't like her or her character and, unlike you, I can hold a grudge from season 1.
And youth has nothing to do with it. Arya is younger. Don't hate her. Bran is younger still. No hate there. It's not about not being active or useful either. Rickon gets no hate from me!
Her scenes weren't even as boring or frustrating as Danny's or Jon's. I just hate the character. ...personally. I don't hope anyone in real life dies. I hope the actress lives just fine. I don't wish death on any 14 year old girls including daughters, sisters, cousins, friends, well wishers, etc that you may or may not have, know, or have known in the past.
Joffrey. Cersei. Ilyn Payne. The Hound.
BigJonsson
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I bought books 1-4
yay?
yay?
SouthernDragon
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parrotbeak
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Remind me what the Hound did that was on the same grudge-worthy level as those other three? I'm sure he did something but I can't remember right now.
Ya...i'm tempted to read just the first 2 books. But what thread would I post in? I wouldn't post in the no book spoilers thread because I wouldn't be sure my thoughts weren't based on the book. I know some people can do it, but I don't trust myself to keep everything separate in my head. I'm not going to read all the books so I won't be able to safely read the other thread.
parrotbeak
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He ran. He was gonna die anyway, probably Sir Payne would have done it if he'd come back alive.
Eh? Doesn't really matter. That's the answer to why Arya holds a grudge.
SouthernDragon
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Either read the full series or not at all. Any slip up in this thread will get you ousted. I'm extra cautious and CAN keep the two separate.
parrotbeak
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Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about Arya. Sorry, didn't read back all the way.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210654&page=114
A thread for discussing the book with spoiler-tags. There is another thread with no spoiler-tags at all, don't go there.
I could imagine that she has some planes to take revenge on Joffrey, though that would also be weird because she's been sitting there for an eternity doing nothing.
She mentioned that Westoros is her home now.
Also, she didn't like being in Winterfell. At first, it was the whole bratty thing, but apparently she does not like Winterfell and prefers Westoros (At least until she realized she was going to be a concubine).
She also doesn't know where Arya is and also understands that she is a part of Robb's battle. Although I think it The Hound's offer seems generous, it would be odd for her to simply leave Westoros at the first opportunity especially at a time that it looked like she would be fine after Joffrey's defeat anyway.
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Also, she didn't like being in Winterfell. At first, it was the whole bratty thing, but apparently she does not like Winterfell and prefers Westoros (At least until she realized she was going to be a concubine).
She also doesn't know where Arya is and also understands that she is a part of Robb's battle. Although I think it The Hound's offer seems generous, it would be odd for her to simply leave Westoros at the first opportunity especially at a time that it looked like she would be fine after Joffrey's defeat anyway.
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Funky Papa
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Isn't Winterfell just a city? Not a nation.
Yes, King's Landing is what I meant.
I agree i think that was the original intent. I also think there are more reasons to stay at this point than to leave.
It's similar to Arya who has the option of improving herself or being obligated to her family - inlcuding Sansa. She just has greater liberty to speak about it
fizzelopeguss
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The night is dark and full of terrors.
Funky Papa
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Correct. Winterfell is the capital of "the North" (what a shitass name for a kingdom anyway)
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