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[Son Of Sparda]

But it's not a valid excuse. Thus you have no point.

But it's not a valid excuse.

So...what exactly is your point?

It's not a valid excuse at all though, so your point is still, well, pointless.

Oh, it's not? Damn, then I must have lived my past few years in a screwed up alternate universe where Dracula biting a woman would be an indication of rape and Dragon's Crown had a backlash cause some character's breasts were a little too big.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Speaking of fan service games wth happened to estival versus?? Thought it was coming here this year?

 

[Zolo]

The reasonable conclusion to arrive at is people aren't buying them solely for that fact.

Well, yeah. That's why I'm referring more to people who buy it ONLY for that reason, but I guess most of the audience don't.

 

[Palculator]

Don't care, this is why I studied Japanese

It's already being localised into English, just not sold in the West.

 

[sensui-tomo]

And yet they brought over DOAXBV/2. So... flimsy excuse.

It's simply because they don't want to cut Marie Rose/Hooters and put superior Lei-Fang/Helena in.

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Or preferably all the girls that are above legal age.

all girls are legal iirc as of DOA5 (unless honoka is the youngest now.... seriously i dont keep track of ages of these people, the ones that are attractive to me are older or a tengu demon who is definitely not a 1000 dragon )

 

[danmaku]

I didn't there was sex in this game. If you consider this softcore porn, what do you consider hardcore.. Women in bikinis eating a Mr. softy ice cream cone?

I mean it's a game about women doing things on a beach in bikinis. Should they be wearing sweaters? Should we start going to the beach and complaining there are people in bikinis and swim trunks and guys are showing their nipples?

If it had sex it would be hardcore porn, not softcore. I still consider it porn because sex is the main reason it was made. Nobody cares about the minigames, it's all about the girls. Not that I have anything against porn, I simply like calling a spade a spade.

 

[Ludger Kresnik]

Not really. Beach Spikers is way better and came out before it.

A game can still be good if a better game exists.

And yet they brought over DOAXBV/2. So... flimsy excuse.

It's simply because they don't want to cut Marie Rose/Hooters and put superior Lei-Fang/Helena in.

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Or preferably all the girls that are above legal age.

Helena is already in. She's why people are actually interested in this, obviously.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

The marketplace has changed a lot since 2011. I'm not saying that the current social climate has exactly zero impact on whether or not to release it here, but I do firmly believe that in order for it to have a meaningful impact it would have already had to have been a game that was on the chopping block for proper localization to begin with.

The marketplace has changed since 2011, sure, but Koei Tecmo has still brought over all their games made since then with the exception of Ciel no Surge in 2012. Before that, the previous Koei Tecmo game not brought out in the West was... Saihai no Yukue in 2008. I just hope people here understand what type of company Koei Tecmo generally is. They're not like Square-Enix, who have regularly left games in Japan/Asia.

 

[Chû Totoro]

A south park image of Tecmo Koei shitting on your mouth while telling you it's cake would've been more accurate.



Do you mean "the era of people believing stupid excuses"?

So you think Koei Tecmo used this excuse instead of saying there's not a market for this game in the west? If there's no market then why not saying it? Who are you going to hurt if nobody wants your game?
Also I'm not sure since it could also hurt the whole DOA franchise. Have you seen some outfits in the fighting games of the series?

Also did Orin GA get banned because he posted a South Park image with Principal PC on it?

 

[RM8]

Erm DOA5:LR has costumes just as revealing or even more so then DOA2. I don't remember any major backlash to it.

Yeah, that's what's weird about this. There are girls wearing flowers over their nipples in DOA5 and that was released on many platforms. I mean, at worst they could have localized only the Vita version It'd be one of the most tame games in its library.

 

[UrbanRats]

I know, I feel you. I think it's bullshit as well but I also feel for the developers who don't want to deal with all the bullshit.

Right, but what does "deal with the bullshit" mean? Ignore a handful of people and their blog posts? Doesn't seem that hard.

If they really were so sensitive about people's perceptions, they wouldn't have had such shitty DLC practices and crappy PC ports, after all.

Sounds mighty convenient, to grow oh so fragile to random people's opinion all of a sudden.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Oh, it's not? Damn, then I must have lived my past few years in a screwed up alternate universe where Dracula biting a woman would be an indication of rape and Dragon's Crown had a backlash cause some character's breasts were a little too big.

The same alternate universe where the controversy surrounding Dragon's Crown not only didn't lead to disastrous sales, but also so it go on to become VanillaWare's best selling title of all time? And yes, one commentator said something like that about Lord of Shadows 2, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything? Someone levied a criticism. You didn't agree with it. I'm not sure I understand what's controversial here.

I mean, I guess you could say that such a thing hurt Lords of Shadows sales, but I'd argue that the terrible reviews (almost all of which didn't mention anything about rape) probably did more to cement that fate.

 

[Alucrid]

KT is genius. What better way to deflect any anger about not releasing a game in a region than to blame it on an imaginary boogeyman that gamers hate even more than publishers.

 

[crinale]

I know, I feel you. I think it's bullshit as well but I also feel for the developers who don't want to deal with all the bullshit. It doesn't even make a difference in the end because you know what will happen? People who want to prove a point will import the game and people who are interested in the game are going to import it as well so this decision makes no sense when thinking about it in the grand scheme of things lol.

I think the only way to "win" this thing is for them to make a DOAX male version as well that way there can't be any arguments made from anyone. Everybody wins, just like nobody argues about porn because there's all types of it. I think I read somewhere that they are thinking about adding guys as well? Who knows. All I know is that I feel for the fans and developers.

KT has been making games filled with male characters for lady gamers for ages. Since they don't prefer action games those characters aren't rendered in 3D but there are many 2D-drawn representation. And of course the protag for that game is a female character.

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hey why don't they bring that thing over to the West?

 

[Eila]

Considering the shit they bring it's surprising and disappointing they're not publishing this.
I have no reason to believe this is a smokescreen, as the devs in Japan already said something like this months ago. They simply didn't want to deal with this so they're going to put the game in English for importers.

 

[Flandy]

After so many DoA games in the west I kinda doubt this won't come over here. I still believe it'll release here even if it's digital only

 

[TangerineCloud]

I've actually always wondered myself why people buy fan service stuff solely for that fact when there's youtube as well.

Even as someone who has no interest in actually buying a game like this, I can certainly see the appeal of less overt, premium fanservice content like DOA. The quality of the models and animation seems a lot higher than most of the free stuff you can find, and there's an interesting sexual tension created when seemingly innocuous activities like tug of war or volleyball are juxtaposed with characters/models that are designed to be highly sexually attractive. Overt sexuality doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Speaking of fan service games wth happened to estival versus?? Thought it was coming here this year?

It was never slated for this year, just "this winter". We still have several months of winter at the beginning of the year.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

pretty amazing some of these bigger japanese games won't make it to the west, and this game was getting pretty hyped.

Man, come on sony don't let this happen. Just when we thought japan was back...

 

[prwxv3]

This is more tame then a ton of niche japanese games that have been published in the west. Its just girls in bikinis playing games on the beach.

 

[GrantDaNasty]

Oh, it's not? Damn, then I must have lived my past few years in a screwed up alternate universe where Dracula biting a woman would be an indication of rape and Dragon's Crown had a backlash cause some character's breasts were a little too big.

I still don't get your point. Dragon's Crown came out regardless, and why does it bother you if someone reads into Dracula in such a way (Edit: oh wait, this was regarding fuckin' Lords of Shadow 2? Yes, clearly that killed that game rather than the lack of quality), because that's not how you perceive it?

So yea, you have been living in an alternate universe where apparently making a product someone might disagree with is instantly thrown into an incinerator, sounds bad man.

 

[Kintaro]

And yet they brought over DOAXBV/2. So... flimsy excuse.

That was in 2006.

Do you believe we live in the same climate as 2006?

 

[Zolo]

Even as someone who has no interest in actually buying a game like this, I can certainly see the appeal of less overt, premium fanservice content like DOA. The quality of the models and animation seems a lot higher than most of the free stuff you can find, and there's an interesting sexual tension created when seemingly innocuous activities like tug of war or volleyball are juxtaposed with characters/models that are designed to be highly sexually attractive. Overt sexuality doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone.

Well, in the context of my post, I meant more youtubing the game. I guess aside from those who really enjoy the minigames though, it helps the fan service to play it yourself?

 

[Vlaphor]

Yeah, this is just Tecmo overreacting. Any kind of "controversies" of these type make a bit of noise, then die down with no effect on the games sales (except maybe growing them). Witcher 3 and MGS V selling so well should've killed the idea that fanservice hurts game sales, especially when the main idea behind the game is fanservice and you can honestly say "If you don't like it, don't buy it". I'm generally ok with that idea in general, but when all games have fanservice, than it can be a bit difficult to not buy games with it, so I can see why people wouldn't agree with that statement. Not here though. Not with this game.

 

[Crossing Eden]

pretty amazing some of these bigger japanese games won't make it to the west, and this game was getting pretty hyped.

Man, come on sony don't let this happen. Just when we thought japan was back...

I don't think the Japanese gaming industry is depending on games like this to "bring it back."

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

It was never slated for this year, just "this winter". We still have several months of winter at the beginning of the year.

O thank god lol. Xseed doing work. Funny enough both them and koei have been localizing everything this gen.

 

[UCBooties]

Dracula biting a woman would be an indication of rape

The sexual and rape/seduction overtones were the whole goddamn point of Bram Stoker's Dracula. Classic Western Vampire narratives have always been about sex. What exactly are you whining about?

 

[sensui-tomo]

That was in 2006.

Do you believe we live in the same climate as 2006?

I'd post some vita games that made it to the west but i like having a account on gaf. and Koei is fine with shitty sales.(unlike capcom with Sengoku basara)

 

[LordJim]

First the butt slap in Street fighter, then the booty physics of DOAX.
What will be the next hometown casualty?

 

[Broritos]

Itagaki would release this in the West.

 

[Xater]

A game can still be good if a better game exists.

Yeah but I don't agree with the first one being a good beach volleyball game either. It's shallow and obviously just there as an excuse.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

KT is genius. What better way to deflect any anger about not releasing a game in a region than to blame it on an imaginary boogeyman that gamers hate even more than publishers.

Yup. Smart imo.

 

[kadotsu]

The sexual and rape/seduction overtones were the whole goddamn point of Bram Stoker's Dracula. Classic Western Vampire narratives have always been about sex. What exactly are you whining about?

The existence of sex in general would be my guess.

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

I'm sure this has been brought up but how does not releasing it in the West prevent backlash?

It's not like it magically doesn't exist and is exempt from criticism.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

KT is genius. What better way to deflect any anger about not releasing a game in a region than to blame it on an imaginary boogeyman that gamers hate even more than publishers.

This decision basically gave those Gamergate assholes some validation in their (ridiculous) belief that feminism is trying kill gaming. I'm actually kind of upset right now.

 

[kitschykitty]

This is more tame then a ton of niche japanese games that have been published in the west. Its just girls in bikinis playing games on the beach.

Unlike other games though this game is basically fan service, other games have fan service as an element, this is fan service with a game attached.

 

[TangerineCloud]

Well, in the context of my post, I meant more youtubing the game. I guess aside from those who really enjoy the minigames though, it helps the fan service to play it yourself?

Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I'm sure the interactivity is a big draw. I'm sure that's also why paid sex cam sites are so prevalent nowadays even when there are thousands (hundreds of thousands, probably) of free videos of girls and guys pleasing themselves/each other on the internet.

 

[LiK]

Not really. Beach Spikers is way better and came out before it.

there was a simplicity with DOAX's volleyball game that I liked. they tried to add more mechanics to DOAX2 and it played worse, imo.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

First the butt slap in Street fighter, then the booty physics of DOAX.
What will be the next hometown casualty?

Hometown is no welcome in murica only life

 

[JaseC]

The reasoning is so juvenile that I truly believe western localisation efforts are already on the cards and KT just wants to be able to later spin a western release as a humanitarian effort by pointing to the outpouring of support. Think every "Game X will release on Platform Y if fans demand it" comment ever (e.g. Ubisoft and The Division PC).

 

[DryvBy]

Don't be scared, devs. Art is art. People need to learn that being offended is something that every person experiences. Accept it and move on.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The sexual and rape/seduction overtones were the whole goddamn point of Bram Stoker's Dracula. Classic Western Vampire narratives have always been about sex. What exactly are you whining about?

He's not the one whining about it, some blog had a shitfit over the depiction of Dracula in Lords of Shadow 2 or something IIRC, totally missing the point.

 

[Alex]

There's a difference between stuffing weird, pandering crap in otherwise legitimate games and quarantine zone software like this. I don't think they'd be catching all that much ire, honestly.

 

[DaSorcerer7]

First the butt slap in Street fighter, then the booty physics of DOAX.
What will be the next hometown casualty?

At least Zero suit Samus will live on in Smash.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I don't think the Japanese gaming industry is depending on games like this to "bring it back."

I think it is, this is a part of japanese games that makes japanese games as a whole. nothing wrong with this game. it's not a doa or tekken, but it's still part of what made the ps2 generation

It's already being localised into English, just not sold in the West.

Ok, good enough.

For which market?

 

[MUnited83]

So you think Koei Tecmo used this excuse instead of saying there's not a market for this game in the west? If there's no market then why not saying it? Who are you going to hurt if nobody wants your game?
Also I'm not sure since it could also hurt the whole DOA franchise. Have you seen some outfits in the fighting games of the series?

Also did Orin GA get banned because he posted a South Park image with Principal PC on it?

Because this excuse will drum up publicity and support if they ever release in the West.

Don't be scared, devs. Art is art. People need to learn that being offended is something that every person experiences. Accept it and move on.

They aren't scared. Like, at all.

 

[Into]

Good

This cant offend neo puritans and regressives now, they have more time now to post how there is no such thing as "outrage culture" as they dive their heads deeper into the sand, where the only visible part of them at this point are their boots sticking out of the sand.

 

[Kaako]

Fear of backlash? Go fuck yourselves you fucking cowards. And this is coming from someone who's never played one of these games and wasn't really planning to play this one either.

Also if you are complaining on the internet about these kind of games you can go fuck yourself too. Sorry ass mofos scared of skin yet no complaints where you can blow up anything and everything to fucking bloody chunks in most games but that's just A-OK. Fuck this bullshit mentality and fear.

I hope we get way more over-sexualized games just cause of this shit.

 

[Griss]

There's a difference between stuffing weird, pandering crap in otherwise legitimate games and quarantine zone software like this. I don't think they'd be catching all that much ire, honestly.

Nor do I (so long as they removed Marie) and I think they'd make tons of money. I just don't understand it. Even if they left Marie in there's still a good chance that people leave them alone.

 

[Vlaphor]

I think it is, this is a part of japanese games that makes japanese games as a whole. nothing wrong with this game. it's not a doa or tekken, but it's still part of what made the ps2 generation



Ok, good enough.

For which market?

The Asian market. Thankfully, the PS4 is region free, but I don't know how this will affect buying DLC.