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No PS2/psOne Memory Card ports on ps3.
- Thread starter neptunes
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Yes... but PSone saves required a PSone memory card on PS2. The difference with Revolution is that you can write GC saves to the 512MB of internal Flash, SD cards or GC memory cards.Gek54 said:
PS2 also doesn't support the first Gun.Con iirc, but then that's a 3rd party peripheral.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Jim said:
Are you telling us we have to download PSX games into our HDD to play them and not be able to stick the Disc into the drive like we can with PS2? As far as we've all known, you would be able to use the games you already physically own on disk with the PS3, whereas the Revolutions archaic system support came via downloads (ie: unable to jam a cart into that sucker).
Guy LeDouche
Banned
I don't see why PS2 <> USB adapters wouldn't work.jarrod said:
Guy LeDouche
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yeah, I didn't mean it as "Sony Official" but chances are with a simple PS2<>USB adapter, which are pretty common these days, you'll be able to use not only your DS2, but DDR pads and whatnot.DarienA said:
But with converters, you could probably use any of those solutions on Xbox 360 and Revolution also. Also, it brings up the issue of 3rd party emulators... it's possible any of these systems could be technically "backwards compatible" with a host of older platforms given that and the proper interfaces (either by USB-cart readers or their optical drives).Guy LeDouche said:
Time Crisis II, Vampire Night, and Dino Stalker do support the original Namco Guncon.jarrod said:
It was Time Crisis 3, Ninja Assault and Crisis Zone that no longer supported it(came with a new Guncon2 anyhow). Interesting to know that the early versions/review copies of Time Crisis 3 did support the Guncon1 but I have no idea why it was taken out in the final versions.
Really? Weird... why didn't Namco/Sega just go for full compatibilty? :/Defensor said:Time Crisis II, Vampire Night, and Dino Stalker do support the original Namco Guncon.
It was Time Crisis 3, Ninja Assault and Crisis Zone that no longer supported it(came with a new Guncon2 anyhow). Interesting to know that the early versions/review copies of Time Crisis 3 did support the Guncon1 but I have no idea why it was taken out in the final versions.
jarrod said:
Agreed... and I think it's VERY like since the PS2 has USB ports that are already used for memory transfer via Action Replay USB Key's and usb cable connections to PC's that at the very least you'll see a 3rd party memory transfer setup released probably near the PS3's US launch date.
I'm not sure how such a thing would be accomplished Xbox to X360 though.
With Dino Stalker, the game was made with the Guncon2 in mind for full control on the gun itself(shooting and moving), but if you had a Dualshock2 controller plugged in with the original Guncon, you can play with the controller in one hand to control movement and snipe action and shoot with the guncon with the other hand. IMHO, that was the best way to play Dino Stalker and Resident Evil Dead Aim(using the dualshock2 and Guncon2).jarrod said:
No kidding, it made the Alicia Winston sniping segments much easier in Time Crisis 3 :/Link316 said:
sonycowboy
Member
Gek54 said:
Encryption so that people can't
a) Peek at the data
b) Copy the data, if it's flagged as non-copyable.
I don't think it's quite worked out that way. I'm not sure that people have actually cracked it so much as gone around it.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
wikipedia has all the answers:Gek54 said:
From what I remember, it was also planned as a secure way to store credit card info for all the lofty internet shit Kutaragi wanted PS2 to do. DLC, et al.
Despite not being used to its full capacity, it was very secure and I'd imagine it gets carried over to PS3.
I'm glad that they got rid of the mem cards, because it means no more having to keep around 5 PS1 and 5 PS2 mem cards full of save files. With a mem stick it also means backing them to CD/DVD will be easy. Now they just need a method to transfer files from the old mem cards to a MS/SD/CF card.
The article is a bit confusing. It only talks about saves on MemorySticks. If saves directly to memory sticks are to be supported for all games being played on the console (PSOne, PS2, and PS3) then that indicates the "OS-level" memory interface that has been discussed in other topics. That is, any calls to the "memory card" system by any game is done through an abstraction layer, and in the case of PSOne and PS2 games the OS emulates the traditional memory card code interfaces.
However, if it uses this "OS-level" functionality why doesn't the article say saves can be done on any of the provided flash media supported by the PS3 - SD and Compact Flash?
However, if it uses this "OS-level" functionality why doesn't the article say saves can be done on any of the provided flash media supported by the PS3 - SD and Compact Flash?
jarrod said:
That's just delaying the inevitable bitching that Nintendo will receive when they don't support the legacy stuff the next generation and a bunch of people scream and moan, "But I liked how they didn't FORCE me to change over to USB/SD/MS/CF last generation by supporting the older memory cards."
Now that I think about, pretty much all the PS1 games I've played on my PS2, I've played them from scratch (i.e. not from a previous save file). The only exception would be if I wanted to check out the ending of a game by loading up just before the boss fight (which I've never done), or playing a fighting game.
Guy LeDouche
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Sony already did it last generation. Nintendo is just a generation behind, imo.jarrod said:
sonycowboy
Member
jarrod said:
I think Sony already went the extra mile last time around and saw that it costs them more than it won them. It will be a ~mostly non issue for folks, and to be honest, I'm glad that they're not holding onto those legacy ports.
The poor machine is already taking a ton of beating for having too many
And, you're really just talking about GC backwards compatability right?
Nintendo's looking out for their fanbase. It's just taken awhile to turnoud.Guy LeDouche said:
Meanwhile, Sony's the new Nintendo.
Yeah, GC compatibility. It's just nice that Nintendo's ensured full memory card/controller compatibility for games that need that. You can play Donkey Konga or Zelda FSA on Revolution if you want... meanwhile, Time Crisis 3 or DDR Max might give you some trouble on PS3.sonycowboy said:I think Sony already went the extra mile last time around and saw that it costs them more than it won them. It will be a ~mostly non issue for folks, and to be honest, I'm glad that they're not holding onto those legacy ports.
The poor machine is already taking a ton of beating for having too many
And, you're really just talking about GC backwards compatability right?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
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Okay, the old gaming industry bit with non-standard save memory - the memory cards - is dying out. It looks like everyone is going with unified formats (unified with the computer and consumer electronics world). So, honestly, keeping PSOne style memory card slots on a series of consoles X years into the future makes increasingly less sense in a certain 'aesthetic' way. At some point, it seems like the outmoded ports are gonna die out. It's happened with computer ports, guys. And guess what? If you absolutely have to use an old media type, you get an USB adapter or some such.
So, this was inevitable and I expected it. I'm actually very happy to hear that the saves will be written to a more standard media even on older games. Hurray and all that jazz.
I do have a fair number of game saves I'd want to use on PS3, so I'll just look into an adapter or some such, which is sure to exist from multiple sources.
Okay, the old gaming industry bit with non-standard save memory - the memory cards - is dying out. It looks like everyone is going with unified formats (unified with the computer and consumer electronics world). So, honestly, keeping PSOne style memory card slots on a series of consoles X years into the future makes increasingly less sense in a certain 'aesthetic' way. At some point, it seems like the outmoded ports are gonna die out. It's happened with computer ports, guys. And guess what? If you absolutely have to use an old media type, you get an USB adapter or some such.
So, this was inevitable and I expected it. I'm actually very happy to hear that the saves will be written to a more standard media even on older games. Hurray and all that jazz.
I do have a fair number of game saves I'd want to use on PS3, so I'll just look into an adapter or some such, which is sure to exist from multiple sources.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
:lol you're such a N-whore.jarrod said:Nintendo's looking out for their fanbase. It's just taken awhile to turnoud.
Meanwhile, Sony's the new Nintendo.
Guy LeDouche
Banned
you *might* be able to back-up save files on CF or SD (but not be able to load files directly from CF/SD), but when a 128mb MS will hold hundreds of files, it's kind of pointless. Give me PS3 HDD back-up and/or PC back-up and I'll be happy. I don't see why Sony would lock either of those out.Flo_Evans said:
I have to wonder what exactly the SD and CF card slots are for. If they are going to require magicgate for game saves, maybe DL content? I would think that would be encrypted too so it would have to be on MS. The only thing I can think of is viewing pictures from your digital camera.
aslo strange is the lack of IEEE 1494 (firewire) I guess USB2.0 is just as fast, but if this thing is supposed to be a digital entertainment hub, firewire would be nice for DV camcorders. If Ken isn't bullshiting and we will be able to edit video and all kinds of other snazzy stuff, how the hell are we gonna get it on there (obvoisly you would need some kind of HD).?
aslo strange is the lack of IEEE 1494 (firewire) I guess USB2.0 is just as fast, but if this thing is supposed to be a digital entertainment hub, firewire would be nice for DV camcorders. If Ken isn't bullshiting and we will be able to edit video and all kinds of other snazzy stuff, how the hell are we gonna get it on there (obvoisly you would need some kind of HD).?