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[DryvBy]

Folks, can we drop the conspiracy theory insanity? If NeoGAF becomes more and more like the purple forum, don't be surprised if people stop posting here as well.

So no, it's not a shakedown, it's called common fucking sense.

What our community has been wanting the most is Co-Op and Console support, so we want fulfill those wishes as soon as humanly possible. We're already hard at work on Co-Op so people can play Wicked in Multiplayer pretty soon. And after that the idea is that we'll release 1.0 sooner than initially expected so that we don't have to deal with the hassle of being an Early Access Game on Consoles. Wicked is already in a pretty great state, so by the time we exit Early Access, we'll be golden.

And in order to get there fast, we'll first support the platform that has the most users purely out of resource reasons. We're a comparatively small indie studio, so doing a console port at the quality level we want is not a small task. Porting to Xbox means porting to Xbox Series X and Series S and that'll take more time to optimize compared to porting to PS5 and PS5Pro. So we're most likely going to do PS5/PS5Pro first and launch there in order to make fans happy and supply other ports later.

That's literally all there is to it. And yes, we'll need to discuss with Xbox and Nintendo what the best strategies are to support their platforms and their features in the best way possible and that'll be an ongoing discussion.

So there's nothing to see here, it's just common sense with us having to make the right moves given the resources we have while making sure we give players what they want as fast as possible.

 

[Astray]

thomasmahler Anything you wish to add here?

 

[clarky]

Going to see a lot more of this going forward.

 

[LordCBH]

Incoming Jez tweet like with BM Wukong.

 

[Klayzer]

Sounds like a shakedown. They obviously, want Microsoft to foot the porting bill.

 

[Kacho]

It's only a matter of time before major publishers do the same.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It wouldn't surprise me to see more of this.

 

[Kacho]

Sounds like a shakedown. They obviously, want Microsoft to foot the porting bill.

Is this true thomasmahler ? You want that Game Pass money?

 

[corgiix3]

at this point either xbox pays for the gamepass bag. Or it wont get ported.. unless its a MASS appeal normie game like helldivers or something.

 

[Darsxx82]

It's unbelievable that there are still people who don't know this guy and how he loves being the center of attention.

 

[Punished Miku]

When is this even hitting 1.0? 2026? They might have a new console out that year. It'll be on that one way or the other. Sounds like they'll talk to MS about their release plans and figure it out.

Make it Play Anywhere or put it on PC. Doesn't really make a huge difference. Their loss if they don't want to bother porting to all the existing Xbox owners.

 

[Astray]

While we wait on Thomas, I think the current paradigm that generally anchors Xbox ports might not last much longer.

Remember that the head of 3P relations was one of the casualties of the most recent layoff wave. I think that in itself kinda paints a picture of what MS Gaming management thinks their future 3P support looks like.

 

[Mr Hyde]

A Switch 2 port of No rest for the wicked?

Ori 1 & 2 were outstanding quality ports on Switch and I expect the same for NRFTW on Switch 2.

 

[Paasei]

Make it Play Anywhere or put it on PC. Doesn't really make a huge difference. Their loss if they don't want to bother porting to all the existing Xbox owners

Those few owners can be missed. They won't buy it anyway with cause they have gamepass.

 

[Luipadre]

I mean they are not wrong. They are independent and its not worth porting to xbox to the 5 players there. Switch 2 tho... will be a massive market for that game

 

[Magic Carpet]

I've had had this game on my Steam Wishlist for what seems like Years it's been in some weird early access limbo.

 

[Luipadre]

A Switch 2 port of No rest for the wicked?

Ori 1 & 2 were outstanding quality ports on Switch and I expect the same for NRFTW on Switch 2.

I already own the game on PC, but i might double dip on switch 2 if the port is good at launch. Its a perfect portable game

 

[Luipadre]

I've had had this game on my Steam Wishlist for what seems like Years it's been in some weird early access limbo.

They had issues with the publisher, but they are independent now and the updates are coming out. I'd say its still a good 1.5-2 years before it hits 1.0

 

[analog_future]

News like this just makes it weirder and weirder that Helldivers 2 is coming to Xbox

 

[mckmas8808]

While we wait on Thomas, I think the current paradigm that generally anchors Xbox ports might not last much longer.

Remember that the head of 3P relations was one of the casualties of the most recent layoff wave. I think that in itself kinda paints a picture of what MS Gaming management thinks their future 3P support looks like.

Very good point!

 

[Ar¢tos]

If I was considering releasing a game on a dying platform, I would only do it if the platform could guarantee it would be profitable. I'm not a charity.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Darsxx82]

While we wait on Thomas, I think the current paradigm that generally anchors Xbox ports might not last much longer.

Remember that the head of 3P relations was one of the casualties of the most recent layoff wave. I think that in itself kinda paints a picture of what MS Gaming management thinks their future 3P support looks like.

The ecosystem support doesn't end with the XSeries; the interest in receiving a larger catalog of games goes beyond that... including the upcoming new XBOX "console"

Here we have the same person seeking to be the center of attention once again. A few months ago, he was positioning himself to return to work for Xbox...

Then, on the question of near-future support:

1- Instead of looking a very concrete layoff, you can also look at the latest and recent movements and new job offers aimed at expanding and increasing agreements and collaborations with third parties. Those say something different than what you're implying.

2- We've been having the same reactions for 2-3 years every time a studio or game (counted on one hand) questions or casts doubt on the release of an XBOX version. It turns out that in ALL cases, that Xbox version ends up being released.

3-When this game is released we may be in year 7 of the generation... and who knows if the new Xbox will be on the market.

 

[Radical_3d]

If he was a gaffer he'd be banned for port begging. He clearly wants the GamePass money. Very unprofessional.

 

[Zacfoldor]

With no hardware there is nothing to port a game too. If the nextbox is just a PC(with a BC chip for old xbox games) they can just use the PC port no?

I see MS doesn't have the best communication with 3rd parties.

It's shit like this that cements in their failure to the masses.

It paints a picture of Nintendo and Sony out there working closely with 3rd parties while MS is basically on a ticket system if you want to port a game to them. Like they are doing you a favor if they allow your game to be ported. This isn't nearly the 1st time we've seen signs of poor communication with 3rd party devs caused by MS poor logistics and infrastructure.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

While we wait on Thomas, I think the current paradigm that generally anchors Xbox ports might not last much longer.

Remember that the head of 3P relations was one of the casualties of the most recent layoff wave. I think that in itself kinda paints a picture of what MS Gaming management thinks their future 3P support looks like.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[poppabk]

"potentially Switch 2"
Summarize one single paragraph - "Switch 2 confirmed."

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Right on cue…

 

[mckmas8808]

So similar to Black Myth Wukong?...

 

[PSFore]

No skip, but no reason to prioritize the Series X.

 

[ByWatterson]

*Market* conditions. Not "marketing."

Big difference given how timed exclusivity works. Can a mod fix?

 

[Pedro Motta]

So similar to Black Myth Wukong?...

No, Black Myth Wukong was moneyhatted by Sony remember? lol

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Right on cue…

How so when the guy he posted is the same guy the whole thread is based on?

Its not like he posted some Xbox zealot conspiracy theorist

 

[Punished Miku]

So it is coming to Xbox.

Sorry guys. I'd see if you can still return the hats and the cake. Probably can't return all those streamers and confetti.

 

[Darsxx82]

We betting it'll all be launched at the same time?

This is a blatant blackmail attempt to get MS to pull out its $ and fund a project that's facing financial difficulties and challenges....

 

[Ar¢tos]

If he was a gaffer he'd be banned for port begging. He clearly wants the GamePass money. Very unprofessional.

Would you foot the bill to release a game on a dying platform with no assurance that the potential profit would even cover the porting cost?
At least they are honest. They could have just announced it for PS5 / S2 and say nothing else.

 

[memoryman3]

A small team with limited funds choosing to release only on select platforms is something that has been happening for decades at this point.

 

[adamsapple]

How so when the guy he posted is the same guy the whole thread is based on?

Its not like he posted some Xbox zealot conspiracy theorist

You can tell a lot about a person from their avatar.

 

[mckmas8808]

A small team with limited funds choosing to release only on select platforms is something that has been happening for decades at this point.

Thank you!!! This move isn't unheard of.

 

[Rush2112]

Well lets be honest Xbox gamers are just mainly gamepass customers. These guys actually want to make money not give away their game to freeloaders.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

aka give us a GamePass bag or we're not going to bother with your base at all.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You can tell a lot about a person from their avatar.

Oh I know which side of the fence he is on and I would have agreed with him if you posted some money hatting theory from Jez or something like that

A small team with limited funds choosing to release only on select platforms is something that has been happening for decades at this point.

Agreed

 

[Kacho]

thomasmahler So this is not a shakedown like Klayzer suggested? Please confirm.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I already own the game on PC, but i might double dip on switch 2 if the port is good at launch. Its a perfect portable game

Crossplay between switch 2 and PC too please

 

[adamsapple]

thomasmahler So this is not a shakedown like Klayzer suggested? Please confirm.

 

[lughnasadh123]

The slow continuation of a rockslide of lost users from bad decision after bad decision. Of course this was going to be an eventuality.

 

[Kacho]

The slow continuation of a rockslide of lost users from bad decision after bad decision. Of course this was going to be an eventuality.

Still waiting for Dave the Diver on Xbox. We already missed the Godzilla and Ichiban DLC.

 

[neocycle]

And so it begins...

 

[Punished Miku]

thomasmahler So this is not a shakedown like Klayzer suggested? Please confirm.

I don't know why everyone wants to harass one of the only devs that openly posts here. This is a nothing thread. He'll post whatever they want to make public.

 

[mayham2199]

It's crazy how many games this gen have been timed exclusives for various reasons.