Well so are books 4 and 5.
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No Winds of Winter in 2017. Most likely 2018.
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Well so are books 4 and 5.
Cesare Borgia
Banned
Dany has a lot of chapters that retread the same water. And while I like Jon and Tyrion's chapters each could have been restructured to cut two chapters. Not sure where else I'd cut; those three characters dominate the book.
ADWD came out after season 1, tbf.
Orthogonal
Member
He finished his manuscript before S1 aired.
Think about it. Think about how unbelievably insane this is. He hasn't written a book. No chance for 2017. Seven years. Eight seasons of television. NOTHING.
HBO could foreseeable launch their successor GOT program before Martin has even written the next ASOIAF book -- let alone finish the series.
I have to deal with my favorite show being labeled trash in every ASOIAF/GoT thread. I think no matter anyone's position on the universe, unless they're talking about ACoK, ASoS, or 2x09 "Blackwater", someone is gonna chime in that it's trash, heh.
MisterShine
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Eh, 4 was terrible. 5 was good, just not GoT, CoK or SoS good.
Conkersbadfurday
Member
I am this person.
I've held out for so long and managed to avoid a shitiload of spoilers, but I don't know if I can do it anymore. This is just bullocks. My neighbors have em all in blu ray. MIght have to go knock on their door.
I've written three books in the time it's taken Martin to maybe write one, and I work a full-time job and do a bunch of other hobbyshit too.
I mean, he IS writing the book. It's just possible he won't RELEASE the next book before the end of the series.
Who can say at this point. Only GRRM.
Same here. Almost literally. (I've written two.)
Gabriel_Logan
Member
GRRM needs to convert to Presbyterian or something to get a better work ethic lol.
Hahaha, that's pretty great.
Haha that is spot on.
I found them much better when read back to back in quick succession. Martin definitely needs an editor who can take a hatchet to his work, like the show has done.
As for WoW and ADoS, I've reached the point, like many others, that the show is basically the definitive version of Song of Ice and Fire. I'd like to read the conclusions to all the book storylines that are different/missing from the show, but I'm not holding my breath anymore.
On Martin's work style - his choice of software is weird, but in the end if it puts text to a usable format, then that's fine. Lots of content creators have their eccentricities, and and old word processor wouldn't be that weird and probably wouldn't even slow him down any. One finger typing though, yeesh. Neither are really the reason he's had so much trouble finishing the series though. He pumped the first three books out and has written tons of other random crap with that method.
Should have gone for some talent instead...
Orthogonal
Member
One finger typying is the wierdest thing i have ever heard for an author. Cant imagine why he hasnt ever taken the time to learn how to keyboard properly. It would drive me insane to write a book out like that.
If he isnt going to allow another writer to finish his work, he could at least hire an intern to type for him as he dictates. Would save so much time.
lmao
Dash_Riprock
Member
GRRM has a great editor. He just ignores all her advice now.
This is disappointing. Read the books a couple years ago (maybe 3-4 now?) and said I wouldn't watch the show until the books are done. It doesn't seem like the next book, let alone the other one(s), will be out anytime soon so I'll probably just wait until the show is done and watch it since it's getting tough to avoid spoilers. I don't really care about it anymore though. :/
It was a bad choice to go beat by beat rather than do some time skips when nothing was happening. Could have easily summarized half of the Dany and Jon chapters in "and they continued to sit around doing the same shit they did the chapter before, but with different characters".
Tyion's journey could have been cut for time constraints but I really enjoyed the world building stuff offered there so he gets a pass.
AFOC is worse though. I loved watching the slow trainwreck of Cersei but god damn was Dorne a slog and the "young maiden, fair, with auburn hair" quest we all knew would fail because she was looking in the wrong goddamned place.
Victory Red
Member
This.
At this point I'm just fucking pissed at him for selling the rights to his life's work and having someone else tell the ending. And on top of it dragging his ass with TWOW when he could of had that shit done years ago instead of fucking around. Fuck him.
/rant.
Would have been totally fine with GRRM being open and saying "Look, guys, I really REALLY prefer working in Television and writing novels has become nearly impossible for me now, so I'll be co-writing the last two novels with my trusted friend _______ to ensure my fans get a satisfying conclusion to the adventure they've followed for nearly two decades."
Damerman
Member
Looool
ResidentWeevil13
Member
5 is so good. The Northern politics stuff in book 5 is some of the best stuff in the series (Manderly, Frey, Bolton, Umber, etc). The north remebers speech, the frey pies, the blizzard at winterfell, the murders, stannis's army beating the drum outside the wall's of winterfell. The show bungled such good material. Smh
Ken K in the Fresh!!!
Member
Damn u guys need to show some respect. I don't see u guys doing any world crafting to the scale of asoiaf
Release it when it's ready, grrm
Release it when it's ready, grrm
Dash_Riprock
Member
I don't think he can do that at this point. His pride won't allow it. And last I checked he was adamant that if he died all his notes would be destroyed so no one else can finish it (thought at this point I'm staring to believe he has no notes, but thats another issue).
Its really hard for some writers to admit their work is flawed and they need help. Don't believe me? Go to any novel writing workshop. I guarantee that by the third meeting half the people will have left because they could not stand seeing their work critiqued, even if it was all helpful and constructive.
elrechazado
Banned
I can't do lots of things. Why is that relevant at all to any criticism of those things?
The Albatross
Member
Well obviously no WoW in 2017. I'd be surprised if it drops in 2018.
I think the series being finished at all is 50/50.
It's absurd to be that I started reading the series when AFFC came out, because BArnes and Noble had a lot of hype for it, and I followed the hype with the AFFC delays from fan communities online. So, I figured, this is great, I'm jumping into the series when he's finished the book he's had so much trouble with and then the next one will come out right away. Well, here we are 11 years later.
GRRM regularly complains about the New England Patriots and especially Tom Brady, yet something tells me he ain't winning 5 Super Bowls anytime soon. He still has a right to complain and criticize.
I think the series being finished at all is 50/50.
It's absurd to be that I started reading the series when AFFC came out, because BArnes and Noble had a lot of hype for it, and I followed the hype with the AFFC delays from fan communities online. So, I figured, this is great, I'm jumping into the series when he's finished the book he's had so much trouble with and then the next one will come out right away. Well, here we are 11 years later.
GRRM regularly complains about the New England Patriots and especially Tom Brady, yet something tells me he ain't winning 5 Super Bowls anytime soon. He still has a right to complain and criticize.
You're an optimist if you think it's 50/50.
I can type 90 wpm with ten fingers though and I assure you GRRM could only dream about that.
Diprosalic
Banned
I think the odds for GRRM finishing it are 5/95 at this point.
Victory Red
Member
What do you think he means by "some days are good, some days are bad"
Does he mean his motivation? Does he not give a shit anymore.
Or does he mean sometimes he writes stuff and it's total shit and he scraps it?
Does he mean his motivation? Does he not give a shit anymore.
Or does he mean sometimes he writes stuff and it's total shit and he scraps it?
Psychoward
Banned
How crazy is it that between dance with dragons releasing and winds of winter there will have been at least 6 seasons of the show out which have now surpassed dance in some plotlines. Lol
Neverforget
Member
Yeah... I will belive it when I see it.
waveuponwave
Member
Well the material for the first one is apparently from the time when he wrote a (huge) novel's worth of fake history for The World of Ice and Fire (instead of the short columns he was supposed to...). It's already written, and his publishers are probably desperate for anything he's finished, so he might as well release it...
That second volume though...
I've defended GRRM a lot, and I don't mind the fake history stuff, from his blog posts and the speed in which he pumped the Dance of the Dragons stuff out it seemed like it really rekindled his love of Westeros
But if this comes out before TWOW... A man breaks
Game Of Thrones *NO SHOW DISCUSSION* |OT| Winds Of Winter
*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL TV SEASONS* Game Of Thrones |OT| Winds Of Winter
This is deeply frustrating. I bet he'd benefit from listening to his editor and not waste so much time writing stuff that don't move the plot. He did enough world building at this point...
For one, I can't keep watching Emilia Clarke and Harrington keep trying to do what they call "acting." And the way they keep butchering characters for unfathomable reasons is intolerable.
Would prefer to never get the ending than to see the "ending" they come up with on the show.
The show is unbearable, though.
For one, I can't keep watching Emilia Clarke and Harrington keep trying to do what they call "acting." And the way they keep butchering characters for unfathomable reasons is intolerable.
Would prefer to never get the ending than to see the "ending" they come up with on the show.
Perhaps it's worth pointing out that he still wrote all the AWOIAF material after ADWD. That's 250,000 words (written by Martin himself, not Elio/Linda), or nearly the length of AGOT, if anyone's counting.
Pretty sure he mentioned in the past that he doesn't want anyone else to work on his books in the event he passes away before they're done, which is pretty fucked imo
Cool. I stopped biting my nails for TWOW a few years ago, once I realized that the quality of GRRM's storytelling is much more important than when I get to read it. While I wish that he'd write his supplementary material after finishing the series, I'm excited to learn more about Westeros before the Baratheons.
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
Compared to what's in the first 3 books, little of that is good material. There is a clear drop-off in quality once you finish book 3.
The series is called A Song of Ice and Fire, not Game of Thrones, you heathen.
Orthogonal
Member
The real twist is he dies and the series is left unfinished.