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Non-HDTV X360 owners

DCharlie

DCharlie

And even i am moderately surprised
I got to fess up, i've ran the X360 in standard def mode, and i've seen it running standard def on a small screen elsewhere, and i gotta say - i'd be a bit disappointed with what i'd have seen if i hadn't experienced HD output on a HDTV.

So i'm just wondering , are there any X360 owners still using non-HDTV sets?
and if so, what do you feel about the visuals?
 
this is basically what's holding me on buying a 360 I feel like I'm gonna miss a lot if I don't have a HDTV to accompany my 360.
 
DCharlie said:
I got to fess up, i've ran the X360 in standard def mode, and i've seen it running standard def on a small screen elsewhere, and i gotta say - i'd be a bit disappointed with what i'd have seen if i hadn't experienced HD output on a HDTV.

So i'm just wondering , are there any X360 owners still using non-HDTV sets?
and if so, what do you feel about the visuals?
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I'm running the 360 on a 27 inch flat screen (Regular tube) using S-Video. Do I feel completely stupid playing Project Gotham Racing 3? Yes. Still, it does look very nice.

Overall, I'm still really impressed by the graphics and I plan on getting an HDTV sometime in January. I do, however, feel totally gimped in some instances.
 
DCharlie said:
I got to fess up, i've ran the X360 in standard def mode, and i've seen it running standard def on a small screen elsewhere, and i gotta say - i'd be a bit disappointed with what i'd have seen if i hadn't experienced HD output on a HDTV.
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Are you smashed, Mr. Charlie? :p


And uh.. I guess I'll find out in a few days. Damned HDTVs, and their penchant for costing large amounts of money.
 
hey, for once i'm not smashed! :)

I think it has to be factored in - HDTV is pretty important, and timing wise, Sony might benefit from this... HDTVs will be coming down in price the later the launch comes etc etc...

it could be interesting. Then again, maybe it's only me that feels this way.
 
I think it's extremely important, certainly. As do most critics, from what I can tell, since that seems to be one of the big hangups a lot of the mainstream press has had with fully recommending the 360 currently --HDTVs are expensive, and still haven't hit critical mass.

This is what I've actually been waiting for for quite some time, in respect to finally picking up an HDTV. I think the Xbox 360, combined with more and more channels switching to HD programing, and eventually the PS3 and HD movies, will finally bring prices down significantly on HDTVs, as they become the standard. At least that's my hope, because 16:9 aspect ratio and higher resolutions are mighty nice, and I want in on the action! :p
 
Not having seen a 360 on a HDTV yet, I'm more or less content with my horribly blurry old 30 something inch set for PD0 and Kameo. More than enough of the next-genness comes through.

Still, if I could find a 720p, HDCP, 30+ inch set for less than $500...
 
No problems for me. I have a Sony 27" flat-screen SDTV that has a 16:9 mode that basically creates a 23" widescreen TV. Everything I have played looks AMAZING. No complaints here. I will eventually get an HDTV, but only when they are at price levels below $1000. I refuse to pay more than $1000 for a TV.
 
It's kind of worrying if regular people who don't have a clue about this HDTV stuff won't see much of a difference. It took widescreen years and years to finally reach a majority (?) of people, and you still see a good number of TV shows and games not supporting wide-screen even today.

Also, are people willing to upgrade yet again, even with HDTVs being a lot more expensive compared to regular TVs? And in Europe you're forced to buy either LCD or Plasma to get a HDTV. I think it will be a loooong time before a substantial number of people have a HDTV...and actually know what it is, and how to use it. And before that happenes, perhaps we're moving on to an even higher resolution.
 
I´m in doubt, my 23" LG LCD seems that won´t be capable of more than 480i (through composite the spec says 480/and some odd number around 500i I have never seen (¿575?). I resist myself to go in panic to the electronic shop to buy nother TV (it just have only a year! and PC through DVI looks amazing at 1280 x 768).

This Friday will be the day, If I not get satisfied with the system on my LCD I don´t know what I will do. There is a Sony Bravia LCD 26" that looks nice, but it lacks DVI for computer and seems it is 1080i for what I have read in the info supplied by Sony (they assure that 1080i is 15% better that the 720p).

I´m tired of this shit, for giving you the truth. I have played a lot of years in shitty TVs and I have been perfectly happy. But I have became the worst clase of whore about image quality (the one that doen´t know shit about it and just can truth his eyes :P).
 
I have 2 regular TVs but I hooked up my 360 on my LCD 17 inches monitor in 720p. I saw King Kong 360 at my parent's house (with 46 inches HDTV and 5.1 setup) and I was blown away, it was so nice. The T-Rex gave me shivers like the one in Jurassic Park!
 
The way I look at it is... if people are willing to drop 2g's on a good computer ever 4 years or so then why not do the same for the living room which will last longer? I bought a good laptop last year for a little over 1k and while it's been good to me it's already getting old and busted.
 
Oni Jazar said:
The way I look at it is... if people are willing to drop 2g's on a good computer ever 4 years or so then why not do the same for the living room which will last longer? I bought a good laptop last year for a little over 1k and while it's been good to me it's already getting old and busted.
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There are a lot more useful things you can do with a computer. A $2000 display is just that - a display. As much as I would love to see things in brilliant Hi-Def, I still prefer 5.1 surround sound on my pretty good 27" SDTV in widescreen mode.
 
DenogginizerOS said:
There are a lot more useful things you can do with a computer. A $2000 display is just that - a display. As much as I would love to see things in brilliant Hi-Def, I still prefer 5.1 surround sound on my pretty good 27" SDTV in widescreen mode.
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Most of those things you can do on your computer can also be done with a PC that's 5 years old. Most people upgrade for the visuals.

Anyways it also depends on how much TV you watch of course. I watch a shit load of stuff as well as play lots of games and watch movies so a good tv is really important.

(I also have a 5.1 setup. In fact I had that 6 months before the new tv.)
 
I've only played the games that are available on the demo pod, but none of them look particularly good even in HD. The aliasing in particular is quite bad on the LCD screens.
 
I'm playing on an older sony 61 inch projection TV

and it looks stunning!

i am using component cables though.

if i switch the wire set up to HD it fucks up on screen but untill i decide to upgrade.

hard thing to do would be to upgrade to a smaller TV.

multiplayer on a 61 inch TV RULES!
 
I am playing it on my standard def 32" and I am using component cables and it looks great. I was amazed that it still looks this good on my TV, I have seen the 360 running on my friends HD set at 1080i and it looked awesome. Even after seeing his set and coming home and playing on mine I was not disappointed at all. The picture quality the 360 outputs is awesome just use the best cables your set allows.
 
Honestly, I'm quite impressed with the image quality from PGR3 and the Kameo demo on my 60" Hitachi SDTV. Visually, it was worth buying a 360 even if I hadn't allocated funds for a new HDTV. :)

EDIT:

Oh yeah, I'm using component cables as well.
 
Andy787 said:
I think it's extremely important, certainly. As do most critics, from what I can tell, since that seems to be one of the big hangups a lot of the mainstream press has had with fully recommending the 360 currently --HDTVs are expensive, and still haven't hit critical mass.

This is what I've actually been waiting for for quite some time, in respect to finally picking up an HDTV. I think the Xbox 360, combined with more and more channels switching to HD programing, and eventually the PS3 and HD movies, will finally bring prices down significantly on HDTVs, as they become the standard. At least that's my hope, because 16:9 aspect ratio and higher resolutions are mighty nice, and I want in on the action! :p
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Honestly, the critics should shut that collective hole under their collective nose. We NEED things like the 360 and the PS3 to move the goddamn TV market forward out of the freaking stone age of 480i SDTV. J6P needs MORE reasons to buy a HDTV.
 
For my Toshiba 480i 27" set.. it really appears to be game to game (which I can't understand). Kameo looks breathtaking.. pretty damn close to the HD version I've seen running. NBA Live 06 demo is okay, but not amazing. NFS:MW looks like shit in SDTV.

Why can't they all look as sharp as Kameo? :P

Oh yeah, that was with component in.
 
I am using component as well on a "normal" tv. The graphics are much better than what I have seen on the Xbox. For example, while I was playing NBA2k6 my 4 year old nieces comented on how the player was dripping wet with sweat and his jersey was all wet too. That detail was just not possible on the Xbox. Though I am planning on upgrading to HDTV soon... I would say that I am not that dissapointed in the graphics department.
 
The friend of mine with a 360 has it hooked up through component on a 24 inch television and as far as I'm concerned it still looks pretty nice. He said he thought it was a 480p set so perhaps that would explain why everything still looks pretty slick. PD0 looked just as good as all the video's I'd downloaded from 1up and gamespot only it was in 4:3 instead of 16:9, PGR3 looked very good but I think would look alot better at 720p, mostly just for the text in the menu's being so tiny. Ridge Racer looked fine also , like a 60FPS PSP game with next gen textures all over the place. He also downloaded the 3 available demo's all of which actually wound up looking pretty good. Need for speed in particular looks better then I thought it would after all the dissapointing comparisns. It's visuals on 360 all come alive thanks to the lighting, still doesn't save the ho hum gameplay though. NBAlive looked pretty nice up until the actual game started , the camera angle with the massive stadium and all that jazz definetly needs 720P to be fully appreciated but again, I thought the game kind of stunk.

Kameo seems to be the nicest looking game on the system honestly. The amount of visual effects thrown all over the place is pretty spectacular and the game wound up looking just as good if not better then it did on the Kiosk.

So yeah 4:3 oldschool tv's will still do quite allright, you'll notice the difference even less if you have a 5.1 sound system and a good sub I'd think.
 
you guys complaining about image quality on sdtv's are obsessive or something, i'm playing pgr3 on my flat tv through component and it looks great

not hdtv but it's still definitely next gen
 
Would anyone mind taking pictures of a 360 game on an SDTV and if possible HDTV of a similar shot?

I'm curious to see how the quality compares. My 360 hasn't come yet, and I don't have HDTV. So, I'm wondering if I should put the money down for a VGA cable. It's 40 bucks, and if it looks okay on an SDTV, I think I can probably pass on spending that much money.
 
I can't afford a HDTV that I'd be happy with. Simple as that. Will that make me stop enjoying the 360? No chance at all!
 
The biggest difference i have noticed are in the sports games(you really miss the little details) and the lighting in PD0 is worse with a standard TV.
 
DenogginizerOS said:
No problems for me. I have a Sony 27" flat-screen SDTV that has a 16:9 mode that basically creates a 23" widescreen TV. Everything I have played looks AMAZING. No complaints here. I will eventually get an HDTV, but only when they are at price levels below $1000. I refuse to pay more than $1000 for a TV.
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How much better does it look when you put 16:9 enhanced mode on?
 
20'' flat tube tv with component and all my games look GREAT but with that said

I'm getting a HDTV next week.
 
Ok... well Im playing on a 100 in projection with 5.1 surround. No HD though, right now... I know it could look better, but for now it is ok. I just placed a bid on the VGA cord since my projector can do 1080i through the VGA port... but only up to 800x600, so it should be interesting
 
Error2k4 said:
this is basically what's holding me on buying a 360 I feel like I'm gonna miss a lot if I don't have a HDTV to accompany my 360.
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Ditto here. I'm starting work and I get my bonus in August, and I just don't think it's worth it to get an "interim" HDTV while I finish school; I'd rather just go all out and get a very nice one (I've never been a "huge TV" person, though, I'm more interested in a top-quality picture) in a few months, so I've also been reluctant. I had a VGA for the DC, and component for X-Box, PS2, and GC, so I usually try to go with the best or near-best output available (I got a component flat screen right around when I got my PS2, actually). Regardless, it may be hard to talk my fiancée out of getting me a 360, but I'll survive if I get it that way.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
The biggest difference i have noticed are in the sports games(you really miss the little details) and the lighting in PD0 is worse with a standard TV.
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I can understand losing alot of detail on a sdtv, but why would the lighting change in a game?
 
I took my 360 home to my parents house over Thanksgiving and played it on a SD tv. At first I wasn't really pleased with the visuals compared to my HDTV at home, but after about 5 minutes I forgot all about it and just enjoyed RR6 :D
 
Looks fine to me. But I'm using a 32" VEGA TV via component with 16:9 enhanced mode on. 16:9 mode looks much nicer than 4:3 mode because all the resolution is being focused closer together.
 
The games look great on an SDTV. So long as your SDTV is a good quality set. People are making way too big of deal about this. If you haven't seen 360 games on an HDTV, you won't even notice what you're missing. If you have, well then you'll probally want and HDTV, but they look great without one.
 
I was planning on going the VGA cable route, but it turns out laptops don't have VGA In so I'll have to wait until Christmas break to test it on a real monitor.

So anyway, I'm playing 360 on a pretty good quality 20" standard TV. 360 games look noticeably better than Xbox games, but not to the quality of the videos I've downloaded online. Also, Kameo looks stunning even on a SDTV, even better than PGR3.
 
im playing on my 27" JVC basic tv in 480i ....games still look amazing, its not like i lose parallex mapping ( or whatever its called) or HDR lighting or anything ....the game is still the same game everyone else is playing.... just looks a little worse because of the quality of my screen and the less amount of pixels ...no biggy


i would like wide screen though, but doesnt make a big deal to me :P


HDTV is great, im planning on buying one, and i love playing on my friends tv's ...but shit, its not like the game becomes an PS1 game when i play it on a normal tv....to much hype is put into HDTV imo !
 
Mrbob said:
Looks fine to me. But I'm using a 32" VEGA TV via component with 16:9 enhanced mode on. 16:9 mode looks much nicer than 4:3 mode because all the resolution is being focused closer together.
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:D :D
 
I'm playing on 52" standard tv via component cables and it looks freakin amazing. I've seen it on a HDtv and I know it looks better but there is still a considerable difference in visuals over the original Xbox.
And because it does look this good I feel fine with holding off for a bit in getting a HDtv.
 
Truelize said:
I'm playing on 52" standard tv via component cables and it looks freakin amazing. I've seen it on a HDtv and I know it looks better but there is still a considerable difference in visuals over the original Xbox.
And because it does look this good I feel fine with holding off for a bit in getting a HDtv.
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Yeah I think the key is to still use component hookup even on a standard TV. Makes a big difference versus composite cables.
 
Mrbob said:
Yeah I think the key is to still use component hookup even on a standard TV. Makes a big difference versus composite cables.
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Component is great. Would you say that the leap from SDTV component to HDTV for 360 is similar to the leap from composite to component (flat-screen SDTV), for X-Box? Greater? Less?
 
Ramirez said:
27" Trinitron WEGA...plain ass cables,still looks awesome to me,I'm easily pleased I guess :P
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I don't have a WEGA but basically the same model of Toshiba and I've had it for four years now and I still freaking love it (I have two, actually, one at my house in Phx. and one at my apt. in NY), so when I make the jump I have to be sure it's the real deal, and as tempting as it is I'm not going to spend ~$700 on a quickie HDTV just for the sake of having one.
 
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