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One of Jesus' disciples said:
#12 I'll take my chances.

1. With what, eternity? Eternity is a long time to be wrong. Why would you want to take a gamble on something as important as your eternal destiny? It takes only a moment to trust Christ for your salvation. There will be an eternity of pain and regret if you don't.
2. You don't take chances with guns do you? You don't take chances and run red lights do you? Why would you take a chance on something that is far more important than these? Don't take a chance on something eternal. It isn't worth it.
3. Jesus said He was the only way to God. He forgave sins, walked on water, calmed a storm with a command, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead Himself. No one else in all of history has done that. If He can do all that, don't you think you should listen to Him.

as for taking chances with guns

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The thing is.. you have a chance to repent in the end (if you believe that it will ever come to that, and I don't.. but just in case).

Guidelines for life: Just don't be an ass and you should be okay.
 
I've always appreciated the way Christians don't try to get your money at church or try to scare you in to believing what they believe in and....hey wait a minute!!
 
From point 19...

Evolution has a lot of problems with it. It seems to me that it takes a lot of faith to believe that you developed out of ocean slime, simply by chance. At least as a Christian I have the evidence of the resurrection of Christ from eye witnesses as recorded by them in the gospels. Evolution or not, Jesus rose from the dead, said He was God, and forgave sins. I'll put my faith in Him instead of evolution.

The Gospels are not historical documents, faithfully recounting every event and sayings. They are stories, based on real events perhaps, but stories nonetheless written decades after Jesus death. The very word 'gospel' means good news. Eye witness accounts in the gospels are thus not evidence.

One of the keys to Christianity is the ressurection and it clearly demands faith.

An agnostic says he doesn't know if there is or isn't a God. (Usually after saying this I challenge them to explain the prophecies of the Old Testament fulfilled in the New. I state how the Bible is unique that way and that only God can make prophecies that are 100% accurate. Then I ask him to explain how that could be done if there is no God.)

Just as highlighted in the past point, the rest of the bible is not historical fact either. So taking a prophesy written in the distant past and claiming it was fulfilled just because it says so in the same book is not proof.

The only way to truly prove biblical prophesies are accurate is to take something written in the past and for that event to take place in the present or future. Unfortunately, all those prophesies are vague and not time-specific. Some did try to decode them and predict when and where they would take place but they fail. Just ask the Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses.

If there is no God as you say, then in the end I lose nothing. But if there is a God like I say, in the end you lose everything.

I lose nothing believing in Santa either. No Santa surely means no gifts.

Why don't you believe in God? Is there any reason for you to intelligently reject His existence? Or, do you simply desire not to believe in Him?

I guess it depends on each individual, but for myself:

- I find proof of God in a book that simply claim to be his word as laughable.

- I disagree with God on certain issues. Oh yes, I'm using my intellect and moral compass he supposedly gave me and am actually using them, reaching this unavoidable conclusion. And Abraham did the same, but being a moral tale for the believers, Abraham was proven wrong of course. :)

- If God seeks a relationship with all of his children then his way of doing it is truly flawed using the method other religions and false prophets are using. The arguments that make the Bible superior to other books are convulated and self-serving.

- Most often in life, the simplest, most logical explanation usually explains most mysteries. In the case of the Bible, there is so much that points to a pure human invention rather something divinely inspired.

The Bible doesn't attempt to prove that God exists. It simply speaks as though He does. Maybe I can't prove to you there is a God, but I can introduce Him to you through His Son Jesus Christ and you can judge for yourself if the Words of Christ in the Bible convince you of His existence.

Weak.
 
Silent Death said:
Why do you people hate Jesus?
Cause he's all like.. "God forgives everyone through me. Love each other and you have nothing to worry about... well, unless you're cornholing.", then he's all like.. "I'm gonna come back like the flame of a 1000 suns and clense the earth and only take like 147,000 (?) believers with me."
 
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pestul said:
Guidelines for life: Just don't be an ass and you should be okay.

And isn't it remarkable how many religious people (all religions) are totally missing this most crucial piece of information?
 
pestul said:
Guidelines for life: Just don't be an ass and you should be okay.

WRONG

#13 I am not that bad a person.

1. Whether or not you feel you are bad or good is not the real issue. The Bible says that all have sinned (Rom. 3:23). If all have sinned, good or bad, then all will suffer the judgment of God. God does not require someone to be pretty good; He requires that he not sin at all. But He knows that you cannot be sinless. That is why He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).
2. The Bible says that our good works are filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6). It isn't saying that we might not try to be good, it is saying that whatever good we do, it is not good enough. It also says that there is none who does good (Rom. 3:12). The standard God seeks is perfection. We cannot please God on our own. That is why Jesus died on behalf of sinners. If you want to be good enough, then you must let God see you through the righteousness of Jesus Christ. That is the only goodness that counts to God.
 
God sure is a grumpy guy
Never let's go of a grudge and curses all who has connections with the prime offender. :lol
 
Just wondering guys, at which point you cease laughing at religious argument? Clearly the kind of drivel posted is worth taking a pop or two at ... but like shooting fish in a barrel, it's only slightly funny, and does get kind of old.

Fact is, faith is a serious issue, no matter what your stance. I just get the feeling a lot of you should look a little harder at what you're shooting at. I get the feeling all you see is old people spouting tiresome garbage; and I get the feeling that's all you want to see. You certainly go far enough out of your way to find it, and put it on public display for a satisfying circle-rebuttal.

I'm not urging you to go to church, and in some way find out what you're missing - I certainly never go. Once again you'd find a load of old people with nothing relevant to say. I'm not even trying to tempt you into Christianity, because I'm not one myself. But I would love it if you could admit that there is more to spiritual life than antiquated dogma; and further if you could stop rattling the old peoples' cage, just because you know it's as weak as hell.

They'll be dead soon anyway. Besides which, were you to find a faith of your own to expose, you might thereafter find the value of theirs a little easier to perceive.
 
11 years of church here. I find it amusing to make fun of all kinds of superstitions, especially when they tell me I'm going to burn for it.
 
Aika'svyse said:
What chance to repent in the end? I don't think so :lol
death bed man, death bed!

which in seriousness, actually highlights my biggest problem with religion, when I am staring down the face of death, if some preacher comes and waggles a bible in my face and mentions satan and brimstone, I don't think in my frightened state I will have the balls to tell him to beat it. Thats not fair.
 
:lol
But I think god would know if you're repenting out of fear or really mean it. I dunno. My grandfather repented on his death bed. He'd changed a bit in those last days anyway for the better. I hope to see the guy in heaven someday.
 
B-B-Bomba! said:
I'm not urging you to go to church, and in some way find out what you're missing - I certainly never go. Once again you'd find a load of old people with nothing relevant to say. I'm not even trying to tempt you into Christianity, because I'm not one myself. But I would love it if you could admit that there is more to spiritual life than antiquated dogma; and further if you could stop rattling the old peoples' cage, just because you know it's as weak as hell.

They'll be dead soon anyway. Besides which, were you to find a faith of your own to expose, you might thereafter find the value of theirs a little easier to perceive.

Stop dancing around the issue.
 
If you think about it there are many problems with the actions taken by the God of the bible and his ways, expectations:

If the new testament's God is pure love then why did he require a human sacrifice in order to even allow forgiveness? Why would he have to give his son/himself to us and let his son/himself(holy trinity) be tortured to death(he's said to have the power to stop it.)? Why exactly are we all considered to carry the sin of our supposedly distant ancestors? Bringing supposedly eternal beings(souls) into a sick/twisted simulation which seemingly limits intellects and predisposes through instincts to do so-called sins, and through logic to ignore fallacious arguments, and then after that torture such for eternity after they've briefly passed through such a meaningless and short simulation, is just plain evil.

I mean think about it, you allow barely intelligent beings to develop uneducated in a hell hole for most everybody(it's only recently that technology's allowed for more of us to get some relief.). Then you go and judge them for their actions, after they've been predisposed by both environmental and genetic influences to falter. We've seen how other primates can form near utopic passive loving societies(bonobos), yet humanity was allowed to develop this way to be predisposed to such levels of violence, of destruction.

If we believed in the bible God, we'd also have to consider the 180 degree change in behavior from old testament to new testament. And we'd have to ask ourselves what's to stop it from happening again? Keeping perpetual torment for even minor offenses, and for following logic, is pretty ridiculous and would certainly hint at such a possibility. In fact given his prior actions in the old testament it wouldn't go too far for such a God's messages to simply be a facade, and his true intent, simply to torture everyone forever regardless.


Actually this just begged to be posted in this thread:

Bible God's words.... :lol
 
IMO the old testament was bad ass. God was like this big king having massive battles and shit then jesus came along and made it jump the shark.

hes omnipotent right, so he was totally spying on satan convincing eve to eat the apple.

You know what I also think, there might be limits to his power, being that he took a rest on the 7th day. But christians all tell you that he can do anything he wants like that *clicks fingers*, maybe he is ripe for an overthrowing. what about that, how come christians insist that Satan won't win all the time? I mean, gods obviously a bit scared of him if he won't just kill him outright.
 
catfish said:
IMO the old testament was bad ass. God was like this big king having massive battles and shit then jesus came along and made it jump the shark.

hes omnipotent right, so he was totally spying on satan convincing eve to eat the apple.

You know what I also think, there might be limits to his power, being that he took a rest on the 7th day. But christians all tell you that he can do anything he wants like that *clicks fingers*, maybe he is ripe for an overthrowing. what about that, how come christians insist that Satan won't win all the time? I mean, gods obviously a bit scared of him if he won't just kill him outright.
Well, apparently the divine prophecy already proclaims his defeat.. so why doesn't he just give up now? Plot hole! Plot hole! ;)

Fear is what drives us to hate. We fear God. We fear each other.
 
catfish said:
You know what I also think, there might be limits to his power, being that he took a rest on the 7th day. But christians all tell you that he can do anything he wants like that *clicks fingers*, maybe he is ripe for an overthrowing. what about that, how come christians insist that Satan won't win all the time? I mean, gods obviously a bit scared of him if he won't just kill him outright.

Actually, Jews and some Christian denominations don't consider Satan as real or at least to be relevant.

The evangilecal Protestant denominations are those who disagree, but Satan is also seen as doing God's dirty work, exposing the rotten apples in humanity, but once Judgement Day comes, Satan's wouldn't be of any use and would be predictably disposed of.
 
Cool, so I can just say "God, please be my Lord and Savior" but then continue to live my life as an agnostic person? And then, JUST IN CASE god exists, I get to go to heaven!

It's kind of like insurance!
 
i wouldn't think anyone could tell if religion has any truth to it. All i know is that, for me when i die, i die into nothing... oblivion. For the faithful, they die into meaning and eternal life.
don't you kinda wish that you were religious... that you didn't question everything.
And i guess the bigger factor, that there was a meaning in life.
 
Diablos said:
Cool, so I can just say "God, please be my Lord and Savior" but then continue to live my life as an agnostic person? And then, JUST IN CASE god exists, I get to go to heaven!

It's kind of like insurance!

its got to be genuine. God will know!
 
# Christianity is boring.

3. What do you think we do all day, sit around fireplaces and read Bibles? We ski, swim, play sports, read, have friends and problems like anybody else. Christianity is not boring. It is an adventure.
Gee, I've always wanted to go skiing, and this "reading" sounds like fun. Maybe I should become christian.
 
organized religions are mini-mafias. Fuck the organizations. If anything goes on between me and god at all its my fuckin business.

I think theyre just worried THEY wont get in and know im totally fuckin in cause God and I are like *THIS* man.
 
# There are too many hypocrites in the church.

1. Church is a good place for hypocrites, as well as liars and thieves. It is there where they will be exposed to the Word of God and learn that hypocrisy is wrong. For you to judge those in the church is to condemn yourself, because we are all hypocrites in one form or another. Your recognition and condemnation of it tells me you know it is wrong. Is it hypocrisy to point a finger at the church full of sinners when you yourself are one as well?
2. It has been said that you must be smaller than the thing you hide behind. Are you hiding behind the hypocrisy of others to keep yourself out of church? You must realize that you are responsible for yourself and God won't ask others about you on judgment day. He will come to you and ask you to give an account for your life. The hypocrites in the church will also stand before God, with or without you there.
3. People don't counterfeit pennies. Why do you think there are hypocrites? Because Christianity is valuable.

:lol I like how they say "okay if you don't like the church because of hypocrites, you're a hypocrite! And you love the church anyway!"
 
MrAngryFace said:
organized religions are mini-mafias. Fuck the organizations. If anything goes on between me and god at all its my fuckin business.

I think theyre just worried THEY wont get in and know im totally fuckin in cause God and I are like *THIS* man.

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It's easier to be "bad." And when you die, having given up so many worldly pleasures, to find jack shit waiting on the other side, you're gonna feel pretty stupid. Actually, you won't feel anything at all. You'll be dead. PEACE.
 
MrAngryFace said:
If anything goes on between me and god at all its my fuckin business.

This is sort of how I feel. Is there any religious significance to going to church, or is it cool to keep stuff between you and God?
 
#12 I'll take my chances.

1. With what, eternity? Eternity is a long time to be wrong. Why would you want to take a gamble on something as important as your eternal destiny? It takes only a moment to trust Christ for your salvation. There will be an eternity of pain AND DEMONS WILL FUCK YOU UP THE ASS HENTAI-STYLE IF YOU DON'T BABYRAPIST ANGRRRGGGG!!11.

I love the "let's trick them into loving Jesus out of FEAR" approach. I shouldn't have to love someone because I'm afraid of the alternative. Jesus has a beef with consumer choice. Jesus is the Wal-mart of deities, there, I said it.
 
If people just lived by the golden rule "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" then the world would be a good place but sadly that's not how humanity works.
 
Synth_floyd said:
If people just lived by the golden rule "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" then the world would be a good place but sadly that's not how humanity works.

Problem is, some people like to have really freaky things done to them, often for money.
 
What I won't accept is that if there is a God, that He would be malevalent. Why else would he create a species, capable of sentience, and logical thinking, and only reward those who believe in Him, while at the same time giving no logical evidence in His existence? That's messed up.

If faith is going against all possibilities, and against logic within our essence, then no thanks.

It's totally unfair of God to do this. This why I believe it more comforting to NOT believe in Him. It's a scary place enough without having to believe in one so sadistic.
 
mrkgoo said:
What I won't accept is that if there is a God, that He would be malevalent. Why else would he create a species, capable of sentience, and logical thinking, and only reward those who believe in Him, while at the same time giving no logical evidence in His existence? That's messed up.

If faith is going against all possibilities, and against logic within our essence, then no thanks.

It's totally unfair of God to do this. This why I believe it more comforting to NOT believe in Him. It's a scary place enough without having to believe in one so sadistic.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.





ha.
 
pestul said:
The thing is.. you have a chance to repent in the end (if you believe that it will ever come to that, and I don't.. but just in case).
Nah, the time is now. God doesn't deal with procrastination. He wants us to live like his son did, which ain't easy. He reads your heart, not your wrong doings (if that makes any sense). Also, eternal pain and damnation is just catholic rhetoric. You need eternal live in order to suffer eternally and that's something that's exlusive to the faithful and true.

Personally, I think the problem for atheists and even people that do believe are that they don't want to abandon their egos. Pride's a mother fucker, as my favorite fictional sweeper once said.
 
Bataman said:
Pride's a mother fucker, as my favorite fictional sweeper once said.

That would be the smug pride where you insist that you're living your life properly so you deserve heaven and everyone who isn't, regardless of what they may do, deserves and will get either eternal damnation or just no eternal life?
 
whytemyke said:
what.... we gonna have one of these threads a week now?


Seriously.

95% of the people here anyways only know how to attack straw-man arguments about religion and Christianity in general. most here put about as much effort into understanding Christianity and religion as the fundamentalists put into understanding evolution. And then GAF has the gall to hypocritically jest about those "modern uneducated brutes."

So...you think because you can come up with a question you cant answer, and have never tried to answer, that you've overthrown a belief system that has been around almost 2000 years?

So...you've gone to church half your life and All-Mighty-You now have the authority and knowledge to claim it's false? You can go to school all your life and not learn a single thing. Why? Because you have to put actual effort into it.

So...you've read the Bible from cover to cover and know its all false...except all you read was the English Bible...from your 21st century perspective...with the influence of your own culture and generation driving your own, personal all-knowing interpretation (which itself is ignorant of proper exegetical and hermaneutical study methods)...except that you failed to realize the Bible was written in three ancient languages...on a different continent...to a different culture...in a completly different context...in literary styles you had no clue even existed...two thousand years ago. Half the people in here can't even read William Shakespeare without having someone explain the meaning to them. You think you can then pass judgement on a text that precedes him by a few thousand years and the only effort you put into understanding what it says is the same amount you put into reading the daily newspaper? No wonder no one here can make any sense of it all!!!

You dont go to an extreme Christian fundamentalist to learn about the theory of evolution. Likewise, it is foolish to consult the majority of GAF when it comes to religion.

All that abounds in these threads are mostly the same stereotypical straw-man-tear jerking arguments and complaints that have been floating around for centuries. And like most from past times, the authors of the ones today usually lack any kind of formal education and knowledge when it comes to these matters.

I almost have to get out my box of tissues everytime I read the typical forum thread against religion.
 
mrkgoo said:
What I won't accept is that if there is a God, that He would be malevalent. Why else would he create a species, capable of sentience, and logical thinking, and only reward those who believe in Him, while at the same time giving no logical evidence in His existence? That's messed up.

If faith is going against all possibilities, and against logic within our essence, then no thanks.

It's totally unfair of God to do this. This why I believe it more comforting to NOT believe in Him. It's a scary place enough without having to believe in one so sadistic.


Not to mention that he doesn't bother to give people equal opportunities for salvation.
 
iapetus said:
That would be the smug pride where you insist that you're living your life properly so you deserve heaven and everyone who isn't, regardless of what they may do, deserves and will get either eternal damnation or just no eternal life?

Well, guess I was a little too vague. I mean that not many are willing to do what God wants them to to because we've got our own thing and ideas of what we want to do. We can't be bothered to either believe or do.
 
tedtropy said:
I love the "let's trick them into loving Jesus out of FEAR" approach. I shouldn't have to love someone because I'm afraid of the alternative. Jesus has a beef with consumer choice. Jesus is the Wal-mart of deities, there, I said it.
Well, lets be fair... organized Church is hardly anything close to what Jesus wanted to begin with. We're talking about a guy with no home, a vagabond, who went around doing good deeds to people who wanted to feel good, and who didn't really bother anyone unless they went out of their way to bother him.

What do we have? A church that's an ode to its own greatness, centralized, and forces itself upon you. the modern church is more Peter's doing with the prostitution of Jesus and nothing at all to do with his actual beliefs, combined with a great tool which the Romans could use as a means of subjugating newly conquered lands.

Since everyone wants to put the burden on religion to prove itself, lets do a lil switch. Turnabout is fair play. Prove to me that God doesn't exist. Show me. I want incontrovertible evidence that God doesn't exist. Not that the Bible is incorrect in places, or that bad things happen, or that 'odds are He doesn't exist'. I want proof put here in this thread that he doesn't exist.

Or I want the Christians here to prove to me that he does.

Until that happens, I say nobody should be able to call anyone else stupid on account of religion. This is GAF... we have tons of reasons to call others stupid. We needn't base ourselves by using religion to do so.

Except mormons. those guys are stupid. :D
 
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