How's the Japanese support on Steam? Honest question.
P.S. I am willfully neglecting Maxim's post.. its just too depressing to reply to
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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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How's the Japanese support on Steam? Honest question.
P.S. I am willfully neglecting Maxim's post.. its just too depressing to reply to
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Majmun
Member
Bye, I'd prefer hoop on a stick over that
nintendo won't be replacing the wii u that fast.
CadetMahoney
Member
I mean later, so as a timed exclusive for now.
airmangataosenai
Member
Yep, same way Microsoft published ME1 for PS3. Twas awesome.
timetokill
Banned
Same. After the garbage festivals that were the Wii, Wii U, PS3, and Vita, I'm not sure if anyone would miss Sony or Nintendo at this point.
I would!
What on earth is this nonsense?
Saint Gregory
Member
That would be the best thing for them at this point as they clearly don't have the resources to support multiple platforms.
Davey Cakes
Member
I would!
How so? Why would the cost of the controller tech not decrease over time?
How's the Japanese support on Steam? Honest question.
P.S. I am willfully neglecting Maxim's post.. its just too depressing to reply to
Nowhere near console output, but it's getting better. In a hypothetical scenario where Sony and Nintendo are both done? It would explode.
Actually that would work but still think they should make software for the other consoles.
maquiladora
Member
Awful post.
i'm not a big fan of sony, but i think they turned into a company that actually cares about game development. even though i think they make dumb things, they have their heart in the right place. i think it comes with the territory once you've been around so long. same with nintendo.
if both nintendo and sony leave, i'd probably check up on valve. valve is sorta my new nintendo anyway.
if both nintendo and sony leave, i'd probably check up on valve. valve is sorta my new nintendo anyway.
Baconsammy
Banned
You can't see me, but I'm making the "holy shit that fart smells like death" face.
pharmboy044
Member
Any Wii or PS3 numbers?
timetokill
Banned
You should probably get that checked out.
Saint Gregory
Member
That would cheapen the brand and make their handhelds less unique. I can't see it happening with the current management in place but with new blood who knows.
Part of what's killing Sony right now is the fact that they've come to care so much about game developement. Investing so heavily in 1st party studios has lead to them lessening the importance of 3rd party exclusives and well, we see the results of that attitude
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I do wonder if too little credit is being given to NSMB and Mario Kart for the success of the DS and Wii. It looks like they were just along for the ride after NSMBU failed to push the WiiU much, but NSMB and MKDS still look pretty vital to the DS' success looking back on it (and how the DS rose after NSMB).
Maybe NSMB lost a little appeal instead of not having any power and being along for the ride.
Maybe NSMB lost a little appeal instead of not having any power and being along for the ride.
Windom Earle
Member
Gotta love the dawn of a new gen. Nintendo failing, Sony seemingly beasting and MS just going full retard.
UberTag
Member
Beyond that, they've spread themselves so thin in 1st-party development that they can't even bother to spare the time/money marketing half the titles they release on the PS3 or pretty much anything for the Vita. They're all just sent to die and then Sony rationalizes it's due to some failure on the studio's part and is forced to shut them down or cut off ties. A lot of these guys thought they'd grow into the next Sucker Punch, Insomniac or Media Molecule and were instead obliterated after a single game or two.Part of what's killing Sony right now is the fact that they've come to care so much about game development. Investing so heavily in 1st party studios has lead to them lessening the importance of 3rd party exclusives and well, we see the results of that attitude
Part of what's killing Sony right now is the fact that they've come to care so much about game developement. Investing so heavily in 1st party studios has lead to them lessening the importance of 3rd party exclusives and well, we see the results of that attitude
I think you're confusing cause for effect.
The lessened importance of third party exclusive, caused by the lack of an obvious market leader (that third parties actually support), has caused an increased importance in first party studios.
PSX and PS2 got third party exclusives from being such dominant consoles in their era. The 360 and PS3 are similar in overall sales. What third party is going to ignore half their potential customers?
Baron_Calamity
Member
The Wii just got a refresh with many different colors and Nintendo is still releasing games for it. Unlikely but it could happen. They could remake the WiiU as a Wii 2 without the controller packed in.
What the actual fuck.
Somewhat of a tangent: I really don't get how enthusiast gamers can hope for an entire console vendor to go belly up sometimes.
AranhaHunter
Banned
All we know for sure is that Wii + PS3 = ~300K.
Saint Gregory
Member
Sony said specifically going into this gen that their goal was to beef up their 1st parties and abandon moneyhats for exclusive 3rd party games. I would imagine that their end goal was becoming a software publishing powerhouse to rival Nintendo after seeing the profits that business model usually brings in but it seems to have cost Sony a lot of the clout that they once had with 3rd party publishers.
Think of the types of games that they were able to demand for the PSP. Could you imagine the Vita getting two exclusive GTA games in today's reality?
pieatorium
Member
Sure, get Nihilistic on the phone.
Getting better means we get Capcom ports and a very small handful of others. For instance, you can count the number of JRPGs on Steam using your fingers. Even though PC is my main platform, Steam and other services have a long way to go before I could ditch Sony and Nintendo consoles altogether.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Speaking from experience, when I was a kid enjoying my newly released 360, all the Sony fans waiting for the PS3 were real jerks. So now as a grown up I have an innate distaste for Sony. Not their fault really.
I sort of expected the Wii reception to not be that great and to get a price drop like with GameCube, yes. Didn't want to repeat jumping early and paying more like happened there. 3DS was just not worth $250 at launch, at all. It's not about buying for "potential," unless you just have nothing else to play. Therefore, it might be okay, like you're saying. It's really the only thing they can do reasonably in the short-term, if they do it alongside a significant game launch, like if Wii Fit U and Pikmin 3 came out the week of the price drop or something.
Targeting 100 billion yen operating profit for next FY seems irresponsible in the face of the current console status, though.
Quadraphonic
Member
Some could argue Nintendo had abandoned their core userbase for a quick buck in the last few generations, so this is a form of desired payback.
Nintendo is best when they're struggling to compete. They didn't give a SHIT about competitors with the Wii.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I'd be lying if I said I was particularly familiar with the PSP's history, but even the PSP GTA games weren't console exclusive and ported to PS2. I assume because Rockstar assumed the PSP would do numbers significantly better numbers in the west than it actually did. There was no PSP San Andreas. If Sony being able to command third party exclusives is not related to position in the market, where was that game?
Western, exclusive, third party support seemed to not last particularly long with the PSP, with the third party exclusives coming out in the later half of its life being games with an eastern appeal, because of how much better PSP sales were in Japan.
You either pay for third party exclusives, or you create and exist in an environment that allows them to occur without moneyhats. Current gen, Sony seems to have favored first party exclusives over moneyhatting things they don't own. Likely a wiser choice.
Sales GAF: What's the metric to define an active user?
This will feature prominently later as XBOX Live proves to be lucrative yet possibly asphyxiating (profit increase at the expense of marketshare) and why PS+ should be advertised more than any other Playstation product (motivate active online users (think Steam Sales).) Also why the WiiU's biggest problem was a poor warm-up act (Wii's unremarkable end.) A back-port of some Mii-Verse features would have been a tremendous help with a slightly more active Wii user base.
This will feature prominently later as XBOX Live proves to be lucrative yet possibly asphyxiating (profit increase at the expense of marketshare) and why PS+ should be advertised more than any other Playstation product (motivate active online users (think Steam Sales).) Also why the WiiU's biggest problem was a poor warm-up act (Wii's unremarkable end.) A back-port of some Mii-Verse features would have been a tremendous help with a slightly more active Wii user base.
They deleted the NPD threads prior to November 2006, due to the NPD bait-and-switch agreement.
Saint Gregory
Member
This is what drove me crazy abou the Wii. Nintendo did have some of their best ever software output on the system but it really did seem at times that they didn't care what people did with their Wiis as long as they sold them. Wear the damn thing as a hat for all they cared because they made so much profit off of each one.
There were long stretches where they inexplicably released no software and when the executives were asked in interviews about it they would say that the console was selling well without software so it didn't matter. Well, I wonder if they're reconsidering that now that people seem so hesitant to buy that console's successor.
Square Triangle
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The retail calendar assigns 4 or 5 weeks to each month:
Jan, Feb = 4
Mar = 5
Apr, May = 4
Jun = 5
Jul, Aug = 4
Sep = 5
Oct, Nov = 4
Dec = 5
But this is only 52 weeks each year, and eventually that gets out of synchronization with the actual calendar. So there is an extra week in January occasionally to keep everything in sync. That happened in January 2007 and again in January 2013. Those were 5-week January months.
Beer Monkey
Member
I was an adult at 360 launch. I remember standing in a Blockbuster during summer 2006 waiting to check out my rental copy of GRAW (or some other shooter) for 360. A ten-year-old boy behind me in line said, loudly "why did you buy a 360? I'm getting a PS3, it's THREE TIMES as powerful!".
Was irritated as hell. And at his parents, who were with him, for letting him be a rude little dick.
And of course I bought a PS3 at launch regardless.
And of course there are 360 fans who are dicks also.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
Wii U without the controller is one of the dumbest memes on GAF: rebranding as Wii 2 might actually be an idea worth considering but I think just marketing the thing in general and getting a huge effort in 1st party releases would do wonders since Nintendo Direct only reaches core gamers. Ambassador program and a price drop part II.
And I'm certain that, due to their culture, they'd prefer that to any option that would have them making games on hardware not their own.
Would be the death of quality Japanese games as we know it. No thanks, I'll keep my 3DS and throw that i-whatever into a fire.
pharmboy044
Member
Ah okay, thanks.
Saint Gregory
Member
Surprisingly the PSP GTA games sold really well and weren't ported until much later when the platform was pretty much dead. The PSP was (and still is in Japan) getting significantly more 3rd party support than the Wii early this gen and that was due solely to the command that Sony had over 3rd party development prior to their new strategy with the PS3.
Quinton McLeod
Banned
At least two months. With two months, it's easier to see a trend. You can even make comparisons based on that data. It wouldn't even need to be 100% accurate - but since you'd have two consecutive months showing poor sales, one could draw the conclusion that the Wii U would have an up hill battle. At that stage, one could honestly draw an educated conclusion. With just one month? No, there's simply not enough data there.
Do I believe if Jan and Feb shows bad results, that there would be enough data to conclude the Wii U's failure for the year? No. Only because the games simply aren't there. The system could quite possible pick up in March or April. Or it could flop. However, some of the people here on GAF conclude the worst for everything.
IchigoSharingan
Member
No but the price sure dropped them.