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[creamsugar]

cod 360 > cod ps3 > ac3 360 > ac3 ps3 > 1m

 

[sphinx]

it has to be a curse.. we have seen many times how games that try to compete against Mario Kart fail miserably.

let this all-stars catastrophe be a lesson for everyone in the industry to not copy nintendo's big franchises directly.

 

[Miles X]

Ruh Roh, a slight Decline from Reach, I assume...

With black friday, terrible result

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Launch month sales

New SMB DS: 2 million copies
New SMB Wii: 1.39 million copies
New SMB 3DS: 240k copies
New SMB Wii U: 243k copies

NSMB1 did 450k.

 

[Megadragon15]

343 industries:

with bundle > 3m
without < 3m

This doesn't sound too bad for Halo 4.

 

[Busaiku]

Ok, I didn't expect hot numbers, but below 90k is wow.

 

[grimshawish]

343 industries:

with bundle > 3m
without < 3m

Not as bad as I expected.
Outside US sales can't be too great, wonder what that says about the European market overall :/

With black friday, terrible result

I wouldn't call it a franchise problem. More a strategy problem - stupid to release it in November.
Should have gone earlier, then released the bundle for BF.

 

[Hiltz]

PS3 All-Stars = <80K

Vita All-Stars = <8K

Oh my god... in comparison, March 2008 NPD statistics put SSB: Brawl at 2.7 MILLION, 875k on its first day in North America.


No words can explain the magnitude of this floppage.

I wonder what the development costs were like with All-Stars. Hope Sony won't take too large of a hit. There's a very good chance we're not seeing a sequel, though. Not with these numbers.

Holy cow. It sold that badly ? Yikes.

 

[shinra-bansho]

a game nobody really asked for. no surprises there. Even still...damn that's low.

With some actual headliners in the roster it may have been alright. No Cloud, Crash, Spyro, Snake, Lara Croft.

 

[Haunted]

ps3 all star < vita ver *10

 

[Kusagari]

Those Halo 4 numbers are bad. Worse than Reach and Halo 3.

Proof that releasing up against CoD was a terrible move.

 

[Huff]

But guys yal are forgetting digal sales. could have sold 100ks more!

 

[Spiegel]

Halo 5 to launch in September 2015/4? confirmed

 

[nhlducks35]

343 industries:

with bundle > 3m
without < 3m

Day gets better and better

 

[OldJadedGamer]

But PS all stars will be bundled and easily pass a million.

We'll get a PR release from Sony where they count all they copies they gave away as sales and make a decent news post out of it.

 

[timetokill]

The next Smash Bros is going to outsell All-Stars Battle Royale in preorders sold on the announcement day alone. Goddamn.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

cod 360 > cod ps3 > ac3 360 > ac3 ps3 > 1m

Damn those two games sucked up alot of money on those platforms

 

[KillerMan91]

Not as bad as I expected.
Outside US sales can't be too great, wonder what that says about the European market overall :/

Halo has never been that big in Europe. Especially outside of UK.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Maybe Sony should have made a PS Kart Racing game :X

Sony seems to have thought that PS3 was in some place it could possibly act as a graduation platform from the Wii in place of the Wii U, given how Ninty-clone-crazy this holiday season has been for them and their first party software, counting PSASBR, LBK, and SC2.

 

[Pooya]

cod 360 > cod ps3 > ac3 360 > ac3 ps3 > 1m

Halo v CoD

 

[gatti-man]

It absolutely could happen.

No. It really could not and will not. Nintendo will never be bought out and why would it merge with apple? Why would apple merge with it. Makes zero sense for either company.

 

[Tashi]

Halo 4 numbers reaction: Fuck!

 

[Nirolak]

Ruh Roh, a slight decline from Reach, I assume...

Reach and Halo 3 were both 3.3 million with quite a few less days.

It's not super huge, but it is still down.

 

[braves01]

The next Smash Bros is going to outsell All-Stars Battle Royale in preorders sold on the announcement day alone. Goddamn.

Wow. That is very likely to be true. Will...will 3DS sales alone outsell Vita+PS3?

 

[darkside31337]

But guys yal are forgetting digal sales. could have sold 100ks more!

Digital sales will put the Vita total over 100k. Silver lining!

not really

 

[user_nat]

Those Halo 4 numbers are pretty bad. More weeks, numbered game and November and still down on Reach and 3..

 

[frankie_baby]

from the wii u release thread:

we know that in 7 days (starting the 18th) 243,000 copies of NSMBU were sold
the data collected by schuelma is from the 21st November, therefore we have data for 4 days

we can then say that about 1 person out 9 who purchased NSMBU connected its Wii U to the internet in the first 4 days*
that's about 10,27%

* not taking in consideration multiple users for the same copy

Its based on number of post not people I thought?

 

[alfredofroylan]

it has to be a curse.. we have seen many times how games that try to compete against Mario Kart fail miserably.

So far this's the only game to overcome the curse and sucess:

 

[chertipros]

Are the halo 4 sales really that bad? How did reach and ODST do in comparison?

 

[grimshawish]

Will...will 3DS sales alone outsell Vita+PS3?

Uhm...well yeah.
Are people doubting this stuff?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Those Halo 4 numbers are bad. Worse than Reach and Halo 3.

Proof that releasing up against CoD was a terrible move.

That and there was no Bungie this time either.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Other than Snake who the fuck are those?

Yes, yes, I vaguely know them but let's be honest dredging up some 90s nostalgia doesn't mean much when half of those names have been buried in shovelware for the last decade.

Yes, Sony doesn't need to acknowledge the first icons of Playstation in a game partly based around nostalgia. This makes total sense.

 

[braves01]

Uhm...well yeah.
Are people doubting this stuff?

I'm thinking Smash first month vs. PSABR combined ltd

 

[MrDaravon]

Those Halo 4 numbers are bad. Worse than Reach and Halo 3.

Proof that releasing up against CoD was a terrible move.

Yup; Reach did 3.3 million in 19 days on it's first NPD, this one had 21 days (?) and did less, even though Reach came out in September. Unless the 3.3 million for Reach included console bundles for it, I'm not sure. Even if it did, Halo 4 selling equal to Reach is disappointing given it's a numbered sequel and you have 2 more years of install base.

They should not have chosen to directly compete with CoD.

That and there was no Bungie this time either.

To be fair I don't know that the average consumer would know or care about that, same with CoD developers.

 

[Miles X]

Halo 4 is bad not only for the reasons listed above, but it doesn't have a holiday down approaching to prop up lifetime sales like Halo 3 and Reach. If it ends the year at 5m then it's not going to fare to well after that.

 

[Kacho]

Man...those PBAS numbers. I'm guessing Wonderbook did far worse.

 

[Visualante2]

It's an NPD thread so...

In the United States, 500,000 copies of New Super Mario Bros. were sold in the first 35 days,

That's why I pointed it out. Seems to contradict the numbers below, which may be world wide?

Launch month sales

New SMB DS: 2 million copies
New SMB Wii: 1.39 million copies
New SMB 3DS: 240k copies
New SMB Wii U: 243k copies

 

[Hero]

Playstation All-Stars, Jesus Christ that has to be the biggest first party flop ever of a game that was actually marketed and pushed to be a huge seller.

 

[Danny 117]

Reach and Halo 3 were both 3.3 million with quite a few less days.

It's not super huge, but it is still down.

As Dynopia said, with Black Friday included in these sales results it's pretty shocking that there is a drop at all. Combine that with the fact that Halo 4 was released at the start of the month and it's bad.

 

[Malvingt2]

I'm thinking Smash first month vs. PSABR ltd

low blow.

 

[jerd]

Wow. That is very likely to be true. Will...will 3DS sales alone outsell Vita+PS3?

3DS Smash will be huge. The game is perfect for a handheld.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Are the halo 4 sales really that bad? How did reach and ODST do in comparison?

Reach was 3.3m and ODST was 1.52m.

 

[test_account]

...and those some people bought this game. Apparently, that crowd wasn't all that large.

Sure, it wasnt that large, but someone was asking for a game like this at least

But at least when pitched or after presenting trailers, those new IPs generate excitement. I don't think this one ever did. More criticism, scorn and laughter than anything else.

That might be indeed, but if trailers are made, then the game usually well into production. The other option would be to cancel the game (generally speaking about new IPs, not just about PS Allstars). It is impossible to know exactly how a new IP will sell. It is a gamble, but sometimes this risk can be worth taking even if no one asked for it. It could end up being something that people really want when they see that it excist.

 

[nickcv]

Its based on number of post not people I thought?

nope, digging in the manual, smiles and cries found out that the number is not representing the posts total but the number of unique users who posted into the community

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Those Halo 4 numbers are bad. Worse than Reach and Halo 3.

Proof that releasing up against CoD was a terrible move.

I doubt that's proof at all.

It could also be proof of series fatigue.


*Many series would kill for such "fatigue."

 

[Elios83]

Lol. My gosh sony has had a horrible year at retail for their exclusives. Their best selling game this year was a baseball game and that only sells in one territory. My goodness.

They simply had no big titles this year, all their big first party games are 2013 stuff. Even Yoshida admitted that their 2012 lineup sucked and they were counting on third parties.
Things like PASBR or LBPKarting are in the same league of Fable The Journey, I don't get the drama over the obvious low sales during a period dominated by mega productions like COD and AC.

 

[darkside31337]

Playstation All-Stars, Jesus Christ that has to be the biggest first party flop ever.

Its probably not even the biggest Sony first party flop of November.

Hell might not even be the second biggest Sony flop of November.

Would like some wonderbook / lbp kart numbers.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

We'll get a PR release from Sony where they count all they copies they gave away as sales and make a decent news post out of it.

I know, im just repeating what was in that UK thread

 

[MikeE21286]

an 11% drop YOY with new hardware seems terribad.

Especially with a new Halo game where there was none in 2011.....

 

[Kusagari]

I doubt that's proof at all.

It could also be proof of series fatigue.


*Many series would kill for such "fatigue."

I really doubt it.

If you don't think Halo going to head-to-head with the biggest shooter on the platform hurt it then you're crazy.

Casuals aren't going to buy both within a week of each other.