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NPD Sales Results for April 2014 [Up2: XB1/360 hardware, PS4 #1/XB1 #2 best selling]

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Ninja Scooter

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I think there is bound to be some retraction in the market. So many of the people (per demographic) who gamed in the PS2 and Wii eras have abandoned gaming and can scratch their respective itches with mobile gaming. I'm not sure we are ever going to see those kinds of highs again.
 
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Opiate

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shinra-bansho said:
(I have another chart which shows hardware is growing again, even considering Nintendo's rise and fall. Obviously, I highly doubt it ever grows back to the 20M TTM it reached at the peak of the last cycle.)

I'm not really discounting the fact that that market has moved. I'm really just noting that the traditional market isn't as dire as its painted out and in particular, reading these April HW sales as some sort of statement is probably premature. And while it's most definitely lower margin due to the costs of development of large "core" titles, I don't think many of the large publishers are that exposed to the decline of it. I think certain publishers probably need to consider their options in terms of trying to reclaim some of that revenue base, for instance Ubisoft and Just Dance, Acti Skylanders, WB and LEGO. I think it won't have any hugely material impact on Take-Two, EA and Bethesda though given their output.
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Absolutely, I think the core market is stagnant, not contracting rapidly. The problem is, again, that's this is not the whole market. You cannot exclude the casuals, because they became an integral part of the console market in the late PS2 and Wii eras. They must be included in analysis for that analysis to be meaningful to me when discussing the health of the console market.
 
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def sim

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stonesak said:
I doubt that a "crap tablet" will be able to run anything like what we'll being seeing from the PS4/X1, even in 5 years.
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Why did you switch to current gen consoles? You two were talking about GTAV, a 360/PS3 game. I don't know what "crap tablet" means, I'm just pointing out that the tech is there and is very much a real thing. Half a decade in mobile technology is a very, very long time.

We're also incredibly off topic, sorry!
 
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ryan299

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Anybody else think that this generation is only going to be 5 years long?

I mean obviously the systems will be supported for longer, but that we will see new systems after 5 years. I think that tech is advancing too quickly and these systems will become outdated quicker in our eyes than last generation.
 
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DangerMouse

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spatenfloot said:
I've seen a few ps4/vita announcements recently. I think this is how Japanese developers will transition to next gen. It will still take a while before that happens though.
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Yeah, that seems to be the case as they seem to be still working through 2015 PS3 games that are just ending development.

Hopefully it will slowly happen though since we know Namco, NIS/NISA and Level-5 (I assume they weren't just working on the announced Wonder Flick iOS/Android/Console multiplat) are finally working on PS4 unannounced games.
 
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Suzushiiro

Banned
Road said:
Is the 200k for PS4 legit? Hard to trust first time leakers. =P

If so:
Code: 
US NPD Harwdare January to April

2007	WII	1,390,000
2001	PS2	1,350,000
2014	PS4	1,110,000
2006	360	  900,000
2014	XBO	  830,000
2007	PS3	  580,000
2002	XBX	  480,000
2002	NGC	  330,000
2013	WIU	  230,000

Rounded to nearest 10k.
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US NPD Hardware Total After 6 months

PS4	3,110,000
XBO	2,640,000
WII	2,480,000
PS2	2,130,000
XBX	1,880,000
NGC	1,530,000
360	1,500,000
PS3	1,280,000
WIU	1,120,000

Rounded to nearest 10k.
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So basically, the only consoles that outsold the current two in their first Jan->April are ones that had significantly less supply in their first Oct/Nov->December.

On a related note, what's a good resource for pulling up old NPD numbers?
 
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KillerMan91

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Bluekaveli said:
Rockstar won't make a exclusive tablet game due to that fact that consoles are their cash cow. It's easier for them just to port their old stuff and make money on it because people like you and I will buy it.

We could possibly see a small point and touch game to gain XP or unlock things for the actual release of one of their games but anything else, I think not.
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Well I agree with that. Side apps for console games, ports of old games or some chinatown wars like spinnoffs. My main point was that even after those huge graphs about the growth of mobile gaming I am just not really sure how big budget AAA games would do in the market. At the moment pretty much all ''console budget'' like games on mobile are old ports of console games that cost next to nothing port and have already made their money on consoles. All that mobile money is just extra.
 
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TomShoe

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allan-bh said:
Thread needs more numbers immediately.
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Also agreed. This thread has been pretty lame without definite numbers. It's mostly been discussions on how the console gaming market is contracting as a whole, and the usual Wii U eulogies. Considering everything else was under 115k, you'd think there'd be more to talk about, like the 3DS's sharp decline, or whether the Vita will get an even noticeable bump in sales from the 2K version.
 
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PhoenixDawn

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ryan299 said:
Anybody else think that this generation is only going to be 5 years long?

I mean obviously the systems will be supported for longer, but that we will see new systems after 5 years. I think that tech is advancing too quickly and these systems will become outdated quicker in our eyes than last generation.
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I can definitely see this gen being a shorter one, especially if VR starts to take off like it seems poised to do. By that time (~ 2018-2020), I'm sure people will be pushing for systems that can actually run the VR at an acceptable resolution and framerate.
 
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Riderz1337

Banned
StarBlazers1 said:
Off Topic, but is this real? Tweets are coming up from industry people with it....Sorry, I can't post topics...
Ai8h9P7.jpg
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Looks like someone spent 10 minutes on Microsoft Word/Photoshop to make this, then decided to take a picture of it on their floor or something lol.
 
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DangerMouse

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RiggyRob said:
Aqua, please put me out of misery and confirm Wii U was sub 50k? I've been up for too long reading this thread (as fun as it has been).
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Damn :(

Please make Zelda, Bayo 2 and especially X as amazing as possible Nintendo...at least I'll get the games I initially mainly bought it for. :(
 
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Vashetti

Banned
ryan299 said:
Anybody else think that this generation is only going to be 5 years long?

I mean obviously the systems will be supported for longer, but that we will see new systems after 5 years. I think that tech is advancing too quickly and these systems will become outdated quicker in our eyes than last generation.
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I'm only comfortable with a shorter-gen if backwards compatibility is a dead cert. With the x86 architecture, this should be quite pretty simple going forward.

If the gens are going to get shorter then I want my PS4 games to work without question on my PS5.
 
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RiggyRob

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DangerMouse said:
Damn :(

Please make Zelda, Bayo 2 and especially X as amazing as possible Nintendo...at least I'll get the games I initially mainly bought it for. :(
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Note that I don't actually know if it was sub 50k! Just my thought from the 'bad' hint..

Edit: Ah fuck it, I'm going to sleep.
 
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Riderz1337

Banned
Also they spelled PlayStation wrong on that paper...

Sony always (at least from what I've seen) spells it "PlayStation", and in that letter it is spelled "Playstation".

No capital S
 
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Rogue_Ledr

Banned
May should be a repeat of April as far as hardware numbers are concerned.

It might be even considerably worse, since the $399 Xbox One was announced this month for June. Which means a LOT of potential customers are going to hold off this May and wait till June 9th.

The June NPD will be interesting. That won't be out till July though, so it will be interesting to see what transpires between now and then. I still wonder if Sony will make any responsive actions between now and then.
 
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Opiate

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Randolph Freelander said:
I am serious.

The market leader cannot be a sub-200K system, particularly with the Xbox One headed to obscurity and the Wii U already long past it. If PS4 sales, having satiated demand, fall into the mid 100s in non-holiday months, publishers will feel a lot of pain.
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The talk of "market leader" is only relevant from a top-down perspective of analysis. It's not the perspective Sony does or should take. Each actor behaves in their own best interest, and Sony is doing fine.
 
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Riderz1337

Banned
Randolph Freelander said:
I am serious.

The market leader cannot be a sub-200K system, particularly with the Xbox One headed to obscurity and the Wii U already long past it. If PS4 sales, having satiated demand, fall into the mid 100s in non-holiday months, publishers will feel a lot of pain.
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PS4 isn't getting a price drop when it is the best selling system out there.

Keep dreaming buddy.
 
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jayu26

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Riderz1337 said:
Also they spelled PlayStation wrong on that paper...

Sony always (at least from what I've seen) spells it "PlayStation", and in that letter it is spelled "Playstation".

No capital S
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It actually should have auto corrected it to "PlayStation".

edit: any word program I mean...
 
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Curufinwe

Member
Randolph Freelander said:
I am serious.

The market leader cannot be a sub-200K system, particularly with the Xbox One headed to obscurity and the Wii U already long past it. If PS4 sales, having satiated demand, fall into the mid 100s in non-holiday months, publishers will feel a lot of pain.
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No they won't, the new consoles have already established a 12 million userbase. Sony wont be cutting the price anytime soon, no matter how serious you are.
 
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John Harker

Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Randolph Freelander said:
How low do PS4 numbers go before publishers start calling for a price drop?

Have they already started?
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Why would they?
Sales are super promising for both consoles and attach rates. Hasn't been enough data yet to predict any rapidly declining sales curves.

This thread is so hyperbolic and biased I'm not sure I can participate this month heh
 
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TalonJH

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StarBlazers1 said:
Off Topic, but is this real? Tweets are coming up from industry people with it....Sorry, I can't post topics...
Ai8h9P7.jpg
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Pretty sure it's fake. A printout is very easy to fake. That sheet of paper is very crisp. Also no folds so it had to come in a manila envelope or priority mail.


...Also, it sounds ridiculous. If real, it better be a side tech demo.
 
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Randolph Freelander

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Opiate said:
The talk of "market leader" is only relevant from a top-down perspective of analysis. It's not the perspective Sony does or should take.
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I was speaking from the perspective of publishers. They need an audience, Sony's income statement isn't EA's problem. The strong start helps mitigate it, but if that well is now dry, then publishers will run into problems as game sales do not ramp up as fast as last generation sales decline.

Also, PS4 is beyond struggling to gain traction in Japan (and Xbox One might as well not even launch there), so the west needs to compensate that much more, because otherwise, Japanese publishers might as well not even bother.

Edit: Let it be clear, this is a thought exercise. Just thinking out loud, disagree all day if everyone wishes.
 
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