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NPD Sales Results for August 2014 [Up4: PS4 #1, XB1 last week sales 2x last Jul week]

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Raziel

Member
RespectThySole said:
It doesn't matter whether a Call of Duty has $500 attached to it. Its one of the most massive brands in gaming and many last gen CoD fans will purchase a XB1 CoD bundle. They are not paying $500 to only play CoD, so I'm not sure what you're really suggesting.

They are paying to upgrade their last gen system, while CoD is packaged in the box. The deal is a fair value as it's not just XB1 + CoD= 500. It's a limited edition XB1 with a limited edition controller plus CoD and a 1 TB HDD, so it could be argued whether or not the Sunset or this is a better value depending on how big of a CoD fan you are.

Saying that it's indicative of interest in Sunset is silly as that bundle contains a new color for the Xbox One and an exclusive game. Many PS4 owners on here are interested in XB1 as a "secondary" system for exclusives and are going to purchase the bundle. There are also many looking forward to purchasing the bundle who have no current gen console yet.

Finally, I'm not sure how you can say that there's not much interest in Sunset Overdrive. Looking at retailer charts it's doing as well or better than many established brands like Far Cry 4, Forza Horizon 2 and Dragon Age on XB1. It seems to be doing very well for a new IP that's not a mass market shooter.
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I think it does matter. For all of Call of Duty's brand power, it has never skyrocketed a $500 console bundle to the top of the charts. And a $500 XB1 SKU has yet to skyrocket itself past a $400 PS4 SKU. I'm not going to presume one bundled with a game also on PS4 is going to be the one to do it.

Surely you can't find much fault with my "believe it when I see it" position?
 
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Katana_Strikes

Member
Relaxed Muscle said:
30k gap is considerable, considering the Madden bundle.

I guess the Destiny bundle will have quite the opposite effect next month.
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It's close but all the while still too far away. Especially with the Madden bundle and promotions. PS4 could be being held back more by the Destiny/white bundle but still winning handily despite all that.
 
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Die Squirrel Die

Member
Effect said:
I really would like to know what the hell is going on in Nintendo of America. For Mario Kart 8 to not be in the top 10 should be making them panic like nothing before and it's all of their own doing. Nintendo still has been horrible when it comes to advertising the Wii U in general and it's games. Where are the general ads about the system itself and the games already out for it on TV? On prime time channels and a wide range of channels. Not simply kids channels where they themselves do not have the buying power. Put ads there but not exclusively!!!! Where are the bill boards and posters on buses and trains? Where are the web ads on twitch and youtube?
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Have you heard the phrase 'throwing good money after bad'?

None of what you are suggesting would be particularly cheap or have a guarantee of creating any significant difference in the market, at a time when Nintendo are struggling to get back to profitability.
 
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Jigorath

Banned
Katana_Strikes said:
It's close but all the while still too far away. Especially with the Madden bundle and promotions. PS4 could be being held back more by the Destiny/white bundle but still winning handily despite all that.
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Also the XBO is basically cheaper with Madden bundled at no extra cost. PS4 hasn't bundled anything for free in the US and is still winning.
 
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RespectThySole

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Why are people comparing Madden to CoD in terms of brand strength tied to a platform? You guys do realize that when Madden was at its peak, ALL marketing was for PS2.

Even last gen Madden was never really dominant on 360. The 360 to PS3 CoD sales were much more in favor of 360 in comparison to Madden. There was even multiple Madden PS3 bundles.

I'd say that Madden was barely stronger on 360 than PS3 last gen tbh. And If we're looking at history prior to that, it was obviously a PS dominant brand.

This was never the case with CoD. It was always tied to Xbox more because it released there first with CoD2. The later Microsoft/Activision deals also contributed to this obviously. There was a never a point and time where CoD was synonymous with PS, as it was with Madden for YEARS.
 
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Effect

Member
Die Squirrel Die said:
Have you heard the phrase 'throwing good money after bad'?

None of what you are suggesting would be particularly cheap or have a guarantee of creating any significant difference in the market, at a time when Nintendo are struggling to get back to profitability.
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Maybe they wouldn't be in that situation had they ever did in the first place. They never did what I suggested and it was a concern many had leading up to and after the Wii U's launch. Just the horrible and confusing cube ads that lasted a week it seemed. I would be more understanding if they had actually worked to sell the system often and it wasn't working. I would understand them pulling back on spending and trying to sell it via other means. That hasn't been the case. They've been ultra conservative, as suggested, from the very start. They never threw around money in the first. They never marketed the Wii U the way Sony and Microsoft did their new systems. Hell they never marketed the Wii U the way they marketed the Wii or DS. I remember the initial Wii marketing and the "Wii would like to play ads" that ran for weeks if not months. That never happen with the Wii U. That's what makes this frustrating. They never really tried I feel.
 
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ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
John Harker said:
I think you all have a different definition of "competitive" than I do?

The amount of money first parties are spending and will continue to spend to get a competitive edge because they launched at the same time and are close in sales is going to be good for the market. We are already getting tons of games out of it. And Nintendo will need to shake things up if they wanna still play. It's exciting. It's good to have options.
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But if companies make interesting choices and it's still completely a lopsided affair, it's not really fun at all imo. Basically very little that MS or Nintendo has done has had anything more than a very minor impact (except Titanfall for MS for 2 months imo).
 
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Usobuko

Banned
Effect said:
I really would like to know what the hell is going on in Nintendo of America. For Mario Kart 8 to not be in the top 10 should be making them panic like nothing before and it's all of their own doing. Nintendo still has been horrible when it comes to advertising the Wii U in general and it's games. The E3 showing as well as live streams and directs have been good but actual outside and TV marketing still needs to be done and it's like they don't agree. Where are the general ads about the system itself and the games already out for it on TV? On prime time channels and a wide range of channels. Not simply kids channels where they themselves do not have the buying power. Put ads there but not exclusively!!!! Where are the bill boards and posters on buses and trains? Where are the web ads on twitch and youtube (those seem to have stopped)?

I hate being a Nintendo fan sometimes. I want the system to do well so I continue to get games from Nintendo. Yet I still feel Nintendo themselves don't care to do what is required to see their own damn product. I fear for Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, and even Smash Bros. Three weeks until the US launch and I've seen no TV ads for that game or the bundles in an attempt to build interest instead of just relying on the brand itself. That's going to be a mistake I think to take for granted that they don't have to push the game via traditional means.

I would love to buy a PS4 as well but nothing interest me at the moment to justify the purchase and I don't want another FPS that is trying to disguise itself as something else. O
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You're witnessing a market shift in consumer preferences in NA/EU where advertisements might has little impact to push the actual product sales. And Mario Kart 8 was already a 'lucky' benefactor of a viral video hit from Luigi's death stare. This trend might also be one of the reason why you are not particularly interested in PS4 despite also having a couple of Warrior Games in its line up along with upcoming Bloodborne and Guilty Gear Xrd.
 
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stryke

Member
RespectThySole said:
Why are people comparing Madden to CoD in terms of brand strength tied to a platform? You guys do realize that when Madden was at its peak, ALL marketing was for PS2.

Even last gen Madden was never really dominant on 360. The 360 to PS3 CoD sales were much more in favor of 360 in comparison to Madden. There was even multiple Madden PS3 bundles.

I'd say that Madden was barely stronger on 360 than PS3 last gen tbh. And If we're looking at history prior to that, it was obviously a PS dominant brand.

This was never the case with CoD. It was always tied to Xbox more because it released there first with CoD2. The later Microsoft/Activision deals also contributed to this obviously. There was a never a point and time where CoD was synonymous with PS, as it was with Madden for YEARS.
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You're going to have to start providing some figures if you hope to have a chance at convincing anyone.
 
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Thunder Monkey

Banned
SwiftDeath said:
He was also rambling on about the fate of consoles. Surely I hit on the good stuff
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If the monkey's good looking you've got a primo blotter. If he has disproportional testicles snakes coming out of orifices and a massive erection you've got a brown. In which case, buckle up, the rides only going to get weirder.
 
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C4Lukins

Junior Member
De_Legend said:
Why is people surprised about the Vita?

You can't find any in the stores.
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I think it is the level of failure that surprises, especially considering how it enhances the PS4 which is killing it. 200 purchases a day accross thousands of retailers. It will not be on shelfs past 2014 if this continues.
 
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Americanmushroom

Banned
Loudninja said:
The gap grows and grows it will only get worst from here.
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I'm a PS fanboy and I don't believe that's true though. September will be good for Sony but October November and/or december is kinda in the favor of MS with Sunset Overdrive and the Halo. Microsoft is pushing harder and harder with price cuts and bundles. I think this christmas they are gonna have so much packs: COD+XB1, Halo+XB1, Sunset+XB1 all for 399 probably. I don't think Driveclub and LBP3 can excite as much people as the Halo fans...
 
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Loudninja

Member
Americanmushroom said:
I'm a PS fanboy and I don't believe that's true though. September will be good for Sony but October November and/or december is kinda in the favor of MS with Sunset Overdrive and the Halo. Microsoft is pushing harder and harder with price cuts and bundles. I think this christmas they are gonna have so much packs: COD+XB1, Halo+XB1, Sunset+XB1 all for 399 probably. I don't think Driveclub and LBP3 can excite as much people as the Halo fans...
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I dont see it people being saying this stuff for months now.

Every new bundle every new deal nothing changes.
 
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