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NPD Sales Results for May 2007
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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People may not like to admit it, but there is some truth to this statement, how ever little it may be. Nintendo's software has been the driving force behind its hardware sales for the past 11 years (see N64, GC, GBA, DS). Erase every third party game from the DS lineup and I bet the DS would still be a great success because most of the major software that has lifted the DS (New Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Brain Training, Nintendogs, etc.). On Nintendo systems, there is success and then there is Nintendo success, and few third party games can ever touch Nintendo success, regardless of game quality. This isn't going to stop third parties from putting out games on Wii, but it won't make them the primary platform for development without rapid and continuous hardware expansion (one condition met) and poor third party sales on rival systems. There's of course the possibility the success on meeting the former condition being so overwhelming to a point that the latter condition might become irrelevant.Cerrius said:
For the immediate future, I see third parties giving Wii more and more support, but putting their biggest titles out for 360/PS3 (the current trend). If there is any major shift, it will most definitely be from a Japanese developer. We'll see at E3 and TGS how everything really plays out though.
titiklabingapat
Member
Is Super Paper Mario over a million now or very close to it? What's the Japanese total?
krypt0nian
Banned
What is the over/under on how many will be pulled into unomas' fly trap?
Revelations
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soundwave05 said:
Why should I make such bold claims? I never said the wii won't get the third party titles. I said selling them will be the hard part.
imastalker co.
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:lolThe Faceless Master said:
so ****in hopeless.
i'd hardly consider any of what im saying to be a prediction.
i don't see how anyone could argue otherwise unless they're an all out moron.
KeithFranklin
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schuelma said:
Please they were launch games (Besides Tiger Woods and that didnt do nearly as well) and a good deal of launch games get boosts they wouldnt get if they were released later. It is not well Nintendo makes good games and 3rd parties make crap. Looking at GameRankings.Com and you see only 6 games with scores greater than 80% and 4 of them lower than 82%.
This actually really puzzles me. You would think that if the Wii is really expanding the market these new people would tend to try a more varied set of games. Yet month after month it is the Nintendo old familar names leading sales (Wii Play doesnt count since it isnt really a game, just a good deal on a needed 2nd controller).
titiklabingapat
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Revelations said:
My god, you're obtuse.
Revelations
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fresquito said:
The Chart? You mean the chart where the 360 has a varied 4 in the top 10? With the majority being that of third party titles for the system? Each seeling well for the lucrative slow selling summer months? Yeah, I looked.
siamesedreamer
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Welp, here it is June 14th and I still have NEVER SEEN A WII ON A STORE SHELF. These numbers are hardly surprising to me.
MS, on the other hand, is in an interesting position. They absolutely have to cut the price soon. But, do they do it before or after Halo 3 hits?
I personally think they should cut the price at least by the beginning of August to be in better postion for the three headed monster of Madden-Halo3-GTAIV..........
MS, on the other hand, is in an interesting position. They absolutely have to cut the price soon. But, do they do it before or after Halo 3 hits?
I personally think they should cut the price at least by the beginning of August to be in better postion for the three headed monster of Madden-Halo3-GTAIV..........
beacuse I posted in the non-official thread (and I don't want to feel like I wasted 1 hour of my life for.... a gif......... *cries*)
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Nintendomination overall indeed.
Merovingian said:PS3 VS GBA
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Nintendomination overall indeed.
I'd like to know as well. NPD/MC masters get on it....titiklabingapat said:
siamesedreamer said:
I still think they ride the current price till after Halo. If they don't drop after that then most likely the Elite is holding everything back.
OR
They are counting on bundles to carry them through the Christmas season and drop the price after Christmas.
Revelations
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ksamedi said:
Lol, the 360 software is selling at a varied rate. There isn't just 1 or 2 big third party software hits. There are 17 million selling third party software titles. Not just 2. :lol
soundwave05
Member
Revelations said:
So if the Wii is still going to get third party titles, your point is .... ?
Also, so by your estimation, Red Steel and Rayman have underperformed on the Wii because they haven't sold up to Zelda/Wii Sports levels.
So naturally if they had been on the XBox 360, they would have sold even more?
You can kick, scream, whine, cry about it all you want ... bottom line is this -- any system with a mass userbase and sound economic model will get a good amount of 3rd party loving. There's nothing you can say on a message board that's going to stop that, so I'll save you about 2 years of pointless arguing.
Also pretty much by default, Nintendo taking Japan like they have ensures at least reasonably solid support from all the major Japanese pubs. To the victor go the spoils.
I mean that chart where there's not a single multimillion game to be seen running on the Xbox360.Revelations said:
At this point there're only three options to justify your behaviour in this thread:
a) You are trolling
b)You're trolling and asking for a ban desperatelly
c) You're trolling, asking for a ban desperatelly and stupid.
Revelations said:
Delicious thread.
Oh yeah, and that comment is just downright stupid. Why would the thought of Red Steel selling similar amounts of what Zelda sold come into your head. Quality is both different. If you check the reviews for Red Steel, I would of expected it to sell less even though I enjoyed the game, but I was in the minority. Third Parties are not Nintendo, people buy their games regardless of reviews, Excibit A: Mario Party 8.
MS and Sony have just given away this gen with their insane prices and created a vacum that nintendo is filling quickly.
$250 super wii with ps3/360 power and features in 2-3 years. Amazing that Sony has killed themselves, MS may not do better than they did last gen, and nintendo may wind up taking over the living room after all. The only way this could get worse for sony/ms is nintendo annouces that the super wii is also a pc running the mac OS.
$250 super wii with ps3/360 power and features in 2-3 years. Amazing that Sony has killed themselves, MS may not do better than they did last gen, and nintendo may wind up taking over the living room after all. The only way this could get worse for sony/ms is nintendo annouces that the super wii is also a pc running the mac OS.
Revelations said:
There are two obvious reasons I can think of off the top of my head. First, Raging Rabbids and Red Steel have been out since launch so their numbers have already peaked, and secondly, they aren't exactly AAA class games. Comparing those to recently released Nintendo 1st party games tells nothing about how other 3rd parties are going to do in the near and far future.
super funk
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Ive been wondering if anybody knows a website or has a website that has software sales archived on it. Kind of like vg chartz except not wrong.
Xisiqomelir
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krypt0nian said:
NeoGAF, where truly absurd posts lead one to the user post history page before the reply button.
Wyndstryker
Member
wow, talk about total domination.
how long was mario party 8 being tracked?
how long was mario party 8 being tracked?
Hollywood_mIRC
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It boggles the mind that some here don't have simple knowledge of how businesses works. Because a third party game does not sell as much as a similar game on 360/PS3 or as much as a Nintendo game means its unsuccessful? Ever hear of a thing called ROI (Return on Investment?). Wii games are low investment type of projects - it doesn't cost as much to make, so they don't need as many copies to sell to make their money. Small little Majesco reported their revenue was way up because of Wii. Chances are if they sunk the kind of money on a PS3 or 360 game, that wouldn't have happened. Besides - didn't Ubi and Activision just admit the games they brought out at launch were pretty poor and apologized for them? Saying they don't sell as much could also mean the games they bring out aren't very high quality either, which has been the case too - and I bet they've still made money off of those poor quality games on Wii too.
leroy hacker
Member
USD said:
LOL. This is such revisionist nonsense. In the N64 days, no one ever said "3rd party games don't sell." Because lots of them did sell well, though most of the successes were from Midway, Acclaim, and THQ. Instead, people said "N64 doesn't have good 3rd party games." In the gamecube days this is what people said also. People arguing that 3rd party games wouldn't appear on gamecube had much better arguments such as its terrible market penetration and relatively mediocre sales even of most first party games(compared to N64), and the fact that most developers were very obviously focusing their efforts on PS2, except for some western developers focusing on Xbox. "3rd party games don't sell on Nintendo systems" has only become a widespread meme following the amazing success of the DS as people hoping that third party games stay off Nintendo systems clutch at their last straw.
oh snap! MP 8 still sold THAT well? damn, thats almost like a 1:1 tie in ratio for every wii unit sold in may.
as to the arguments i see below, take this for thought: game's sales are usually cannabolized within 3-4 weeks after release, and then they fall off the charts as lower factors. games like Wii play have a longer shelf high sales life because it has an important component of the system plus a $10 game. its an attractive buy because its more along the lines of "would u like some game with your controller?"
Mario Party 8 probably got the sales it did because of a combination of in store deals (if i remember correctly it was only $40 at several places) and because of an association to previous mario party games. sales will die off at the latest by the july numbers and u wont ever see them again.
as to the arguments i see below, take this for thought: game's sales are usually cannabolized within 3-4 weeks after release, and then they fall off the charts as lower factors. games like Wii play have a longer shelf high sales life because it has an important component of the system plus a $10 game. its an attractive buy because its more along the lines of "would u like some game with your controller?"
Mario Party 8 probably got the sales it did because of a combination of in store deals (if i remember correctly it was only $40 at several places) and because of an association to previous mario party games. sales will die off at the latest by the july numbers and u wont ever see them again.
Frank the Great
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time to whip out all my gifs. ive worked hard on these puppies.
Well, if it's anything we've learned, is that price is a huge factor right now...
The Wii is selling so much because it's cheap, the PSP got a sudden surge because of its price drop, 360 isn't going up besides the incredible software sales and catalogue, and PS3 ïs losing a battle against a dead, 7 (?) year old handheld...
MS really just seems to be content with squashing the PS3 at no loss, since they aren't even hinting at price drops, and just seems to be fine with selling so much better than them monthly, and making a killing in the software charts - it really looks like they're going to ride this out for a few more months, then go for the kill with Halo 3...
But hey, if MS doesn't seem to be worried, why should we? Sony on the other hand, should be, seeing as we know a price drop is practically out of the question anytime soon cost-wise... MS should really consider what would definitely happen if they shaved off $100 the price...
And oh yes - good show for Forza 2 in just 5 days - well deserved!
Time for bed...
The Wii is selling so much because it's cheap, the PSP got a sudden surge because of its price drop, 360 isn't going up besides the incredible software sales and catalogue, and PS3 ïs losing a battle against a dead, 7 (?) year old handheld...
MS really just seems to be content with squashing the PS3 at no loss, since they aren't even hinting at price drops, and just seems to be fine with selling so much better than them monthly, and making a killing in the software charts - it really looks like they're going to ride this out for a few more months, then go for the kill with Halo 3...
But hey, if MS doesn't seem to be worried, why should we? Sony on the other hand, should be, seeing as we know a price drop is practically out of the question anytime soon cost-wise... MS should really consider what would definitely happen if they shaved off $100 the price...
And oh yes - good show for Forza 2 in just 5 days - well deserved!
Time for bed...
And really 360 software better be selling good. Hardcore gamers are who has bought the thing for the most part, if they aren't buying alot games no one will. $400 consoles, $60 games, $50 a year to play online, expensive peripherals, these prices are directed toward the enthusiast.
KeithFranklin
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Hollywood_mIRC said:
Question about Majesco. The only Wii titles I find for it our Cooking Mama, and Bust-A-Move Bash. I suspect this is because it looks like Cooking Mama is selling in UK.
speculawyer
Member
CreatureX3 said:It's pretty clear that 3rd parties need to create better games that actually equal the standards set by Nintendo's own games, if they want us Nintendo fans to purchase them.
It is definitely true that 3rd support for the Wii has been weak . . . a lot of crap games.
But Madden, SSX, Godfather, Mortal Kombat, Marvel ultimate alliance, Elebits, Trauma Center, and other third party games all got better reviews than Mario Party 8 but Mario Party 8 just kicked their butts in sales.
It is not just the game quality, it is also the game type.
CreatureX3
Member
Hmm I don't know. Why don't you call up the Wii 3rd party developers of Nights, Rygar, Resident Evil UC, Soul Calibur Legends, Dragon Quest Swords, etc., and ask them?Revelations said: